New World Ag said:

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Not a fan of these illegal protests and their message...but I don't understand what that driver was thinking. The crowd was clearly making their way across the intersection and he initiates that turn with a good amount of acceleration. Pretty sure if I'm in that same situation where protestors are moving and I'm not in the crowd I'd choose to wait it out until they make their way down the street instead of placing myself in the crowd where who knows what will happen.

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I was thinking about the same thing. I have seen too many people pulled from their cars and a mob of "Peaceful Murders" attempt to kill them. I would not stop. Once you stop moving it can be viewed as a sign of weakness. Then cowards like this sense that weakness they will descend like a pack of feral animals.

He may have already run into a situation possibly moments before where he was fleeing from people trying to get him out of the car or stop him.

Of course that is entirely speculation just like a lot of this thread.

FPS_Dough said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

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One Austin witness giving their take: https://streamable.com/tef8mj

People banging the car for it to srop. Says shooter pointed gun at disabled woman and husband then stood in front of her and got shot dead.

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I believe her

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She's TRASH!!

Why do liberals lie so much? A bunch of spoiled white kids whose parents failed them big time.

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Love Gun said:

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Questions answered:

- Driver did not need an LTC. Castle doctrine applies. He does, however, need to be able to legally own a firearm and not be a felon, illegal, etc.

- Foster needed an LTC to legally open carry. He should've known better than to approach a car in an aggressive manner and with a weapon.

- Second shooter also needed an LTC to carry openly or concealed. If he fired at a fleeing vehicle, he can be charged with deadly conduct, a class A misdemeanor. Again, also not a good decision to fire at a moving vehicle and into a crowd.

These idiots must've taken their LTC courses from the same person.

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A rifle can be openly carried without any license.

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You're correct. I didn't have my coffee at that point. For some reason, I thought I read that he had a S&W handgun as well.

eATMup-Reveille said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

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One Austin witness giving their take: https://streamable.com/tef8mj

People banging the car for it to srop. Says shooter pointed gun at disabled woman and husband then stood in front of her and got shot dead.

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I believe her

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She's TRASH!!

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No point in her placing her right hand on the bible in trial....

CreakinDeacon said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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How do you miss the target with an AK that close good lord what a doofus?

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When someone is firing an AK, the safest spot is about 20ft in front of it. Horribly inaccurate and the allure is that they don't breakdown and you shoot without a true target in mind. It's purpose is to spray. Hence why dumbass terrorists carry them. They don't care who gets killed when firing them.

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I wouldn't try to hit a target with an AK from 200 yards.

But I can hit a quarter with an AK from 20 feet, as long as I just had iron sights, and was familiar with the gun.

I think you over exaggerate here a bit.

FunkyKO said:

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That's an AK

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New thought here.

Any chance the driver had an AR pistol, and fired the first shots? It would be tight space, but if he was comfortable with that gun, he could probably get it in good firing position. 5 shots, 3 hits.

Would match the sounds that we heard from the videos, right?

Not that this would matter much from a legal perspective. Shooting a guy aiming and AR at you while you are surrounded by protesters is still a likely no-bill or acquittal.

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CreakinDeacon said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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How do you miss the target with an AK that close good lord what a doofus?

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When someone is firing an AK, the safest spot is about 20ft in front of it. Horribly inaccurate and the allure is that they don't breakdown and you shoot without a true target in mind. It's purpose is to spray. Hence why dumbass terrorists carry them. They don't care who gets killed when firing them.

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I wouldn't try to hit a target with an AK from 200 yards.

But I can hit a quarter with an AK from 20 feet, as long as I just had iron sights, and was familiar with the gun.

I think you over exaggerate here a bit.

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AKs are amazing weapons if you can get over the stereotypes and apply what you know about shooting with iron sights and other fundamental variables. They weren't designed to be 300 yard weapons, but I would absolutely love to have one in a gunfight.

Is his wife also a veteran?

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Maybe the driver has seen the many videos out there of recent "protests" where cars were surrounded and bad things started happening. Maybe he had that in the back of his mind with a slew of people walking down the middle of the street and he was doing all he could to get out of the situation. At that point, it was a no win and then when he did get stopped and honked, they started swarming like fire ants. Everything happened pretty quick, it's easy to see the wrong decisions now.

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At this time, we don't know enough to say it was the wrong decision.

An AR pointed in my face would make me think he made the correct choice. He was simply on the wrong street.

https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ems-at-least-one-critically-injured-in-downtown-austin-shooting/

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Manley noted that witnesses on the scene described to officers several different versions of the incident.
He summarized that witnesses told APD a vehicle began honking its horn as it turned south onto Congress Avenue from 4th Street. He said the vehicle stopped "as there were a large number of people in the roadway."

Manley said that Foster, who was holding an AK47-type assault rifle, approached the driver side window of this car as others in the crowd began striking the car.

"Gunshots were fired from inside the vehicle at Mr. Foster," Manley said. "During the initial investigation of this incident, it appears Mr. Foster may have pointed his rifle at the driver of this vehicle prior to being shot."

Another individual told APD that after that first volley of gunfire and seeing the car drive away from the crowd, they drew their concealed handgun and fired multiple shots at the car. Manley said this individual was also brought to the homicide office to be interviewed, and this individual's handgun, along with Foster's rifle, were also taken into evidence.

Both the driver of the vehicle who fired at Foster and the individual who fired at the car later on have been released "pending further investigation," Manley said. He also noted that both people have concealed handgun licenses.

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Foster Was a Libertarian Who Supported Jo Jorgensen's Candidacy

Vader Was Framed said:

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One Austin witness giving their take: https://streamable.com/tef8mj

People banging the car for it to srop. Says shooter pointed gun at disabled woman and husband then stood in front of her and got shot dead.

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Why do people think that hitting a car and trying to get in is some sort of acceptable way to get a car to stop? Get out of the way. It's a vehicle that can kill you driven by somebody who may be able to kill you.

Just reeks of entitlement and lack of any sort of actual real perspective of the world.

seems like the main point of these so called "protest" is to look at social media the entire time. Cops should disable cell towers when one of these "protest" pop up. If they can't get on social media they'll go home.

TAMUallen said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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Love Gun said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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CreakinDeacon said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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How do you miss the target with an AK that close good lord what a doofus?

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When someone is firing an AK, the safest spot is about 20ft in front of it. Horribly inaccurate and the allure is that they don't breakdown and you shoot without a true target in mind. It's purpose is to spray. Hence why dumbass terrorists carry them. They don't care who gets killed when firing them.

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Well this is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Any AK will easily hit a man-sized target out to 300+ yards unless the shooter has no idea what he's doing. Stop spreading misinformation.

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Me, reading some of the firearms comments on here.



It's absolutely pathetic. Get more knowledgeable or STFU

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What part about what I said was false?

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Well hitting a man at 300 yds with iron sights isn't easy. It's capable of doing so but I'd say a deer is comparable to a man and I'd never take a shot with only sights that far. Plus, the 7.62x39 at 300yds is testing it. But we're splitting hairs

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That round can make that range effective all day, idk what the hell you are talking about

Three guns involved. One was unused (Foster's AK) but probably brandished. The video I have seen sounds like rifle fire followed by pistol fire. Do we know what weapon the driver used? Is this the basics of the what we know so far?

I don't think so. I think everyone is assuming the driver had a handgun. Maybe he had a "truck gun" in 300 blk out?

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Foster Was a Libertarian Who Supported Jo Jorgensen's Candidacy

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Bottom picture looks like very obviously a rifle being pointed at the drivers window. What's a guy going to do when a bunch of people converge on his car and somebody starts pointing a gun? I'd do the same

BQ_90 said:

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seems like the main point of these so called "protest" is to look at social media the entire time. Cops should disable cell towers when one of these "protest" pop up. If they can't get on social media they'll go home.

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Wouldn't be able to track them if this was done...

Look it up said:

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BQ_90 said:

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seems like the main point of these so called "protest" is to look at social media the entire time. Cops should disable cell towers when one of these "protest" pop up. If they can't get on social media they'll go home.

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Wouldn't be able to track them if this was done...

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Disable internet on those towers, leave the ability to make calls and ping GPS.

Bobby Petrino`s Neckbrace said:

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https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ems-at-least-one-critically-injured-in-downtown-austin-shooting/

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Manley noted that witnesses on the scene described to officers several different versions of the incident.
He summarized that witnesses told APD a vehicle began honking its horn as it turned south onto Congress Avenue from 4th Street. He said the vehicle stopped "as there were a large number of people in the roadway."

Manley said that Foster, who was holding an AK47-type assault rifle, approached the driver side window of this car as others in the crowd began striking the car.

"Gunshots were fired from inside the vehicle at Mr. Foster," Manley said. "During the initial investigation of this incident, it appears Mr. Foster may have pointed his rifle at the driver of this vehicle prior to being shot."

Another individual told APD that after that first volley of gunfire and seeing the car drive away from the crowd, they drew their concealed handgun and fired multiple shots at the car. Manley said this individual was also brought to the homicide office to be interviewed, and this individual's handgun, along with Foster's rifle, were also taken into evidence.

Both the driver of the vehicle who fired at Foster and the individual who fired at the car later on have been released "pending further investigation," Manley said. He also noted that both people have concealed handgun licenses.

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That narrative seems inconsistent with the audio evidence. Confused why the driver would be released under the circumstances as described, as well.

AgStuckinLBK said:

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TxTarpon said:

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Foster Was a Libertarian Who Supported Jo Jorgensen's Candidacy

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Bottom picture looks like very obviously a rifle being pointed at the drivers window. What's a guy going to do when a bunch of people converge on his car and somebody starts pointing a gun? I'd do the same

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I'll be the contrarian on what's been posted several times on this thread...

I don't believe his gun was pointed at the driver in this photo, but rather pointed downward. Look at the location/angle of the butt stock in the photo of him checking his cell phone. Then compare it to the photo of him next to the vehicle. The butt stock is in almost the exact same position/location, which would indicate it's pointed downward. The angle of his right arm also indicate that the weapon is not raised, but maybe in process of getting ready to raise. Furthermore, you can't see the rifle extending to the right towards the vehicle. There is sufficient space between him and the car to raise the rifle to a full ready position, and he's not even at a low ready.

Not saying he didn't play stupid games and win the associated prize. Also not saying he never pointed the weapon at the driver/car, but the above photo does not show the rifle raised.

Why?

From what was described, the driver is claiming self defense, wouldn't they have to prove otherwise and charge him with a crime?

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Maybe the driver has seen the many videos out there of recent "protests" where cars were surrounded and bad things started happening. Maybe he had that in the back of his mind with a slew of people walking down the middle of the street and he was doing all he could to get out of the situation. At that point, it was a no win and then when he did get stopped and honked, they started swarming like fire ants. Everything happened pretty quick, it's easy to see the wrong decisions now.

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Personally in an a situation like that, I would try not to draw attention to myself.

AgStuckinLBK said:

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TxTarpon said:

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Foster Was a Libertarian Who Supported Jo Jorgensen's Candidacy

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Bottom picture looks like very obviously a rifle being pointed at the drivers window. What's a guy going to do when a bunch of people converge on his car and somebody starts pointing a gun? I'd do the same

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Also, compare that bottom picture which is taken from the "passenger side" of the street. There's orange cones, and not very many people along that edge of the street.

Compare that to the video of the encounter taken from the "drivers side" of the street, where the bulk of the crowd was, you could hardly see the car.

It is conceivable that the driver was not very aware, saw that the bulk of the crowd was in the intersection in front of him and tried to turn a dark corner, and then saw that there are more people, stops and honks out of frustration.

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Bottom picture looks like very obviously a rifle being pointed at the drivers window. What's a guy going to do when a bunch of people converge on his car and somebody starts pointing a gun? I'd do the same

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Yep.
Hope he has Texas Law Shield or other great legal representation.

Gold Star ntxVol said:

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Why?

From what was described, the driver is claiming self defense, wouldn't they have to prove otherwise and charge him with a crime?

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No. He can be charged with any number of other things besides murder 1. He was legally carrying, it appears but he still shot and caused a death. Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, etc.

torrid said:

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Maybe the driver has seen the many videos out there of recent "protests" where cars were surrounded and bad things started happening. Maybe he had that in the back of his mind with a slew of people walking down the middle of the street and he was doing all he could to get out of the situation. At that point, it was a no win and then when he did get stopped and honked, they started swarming like fire ants. Everything happened pretty quick, it's easy to see the wrong decisions now.

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Personally in an a situation like that, I would try not to draw attention to myself.

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So sit at the intersection and wait for the potential mob to surround cars and act nefariously? Maybe they would have been peaceful. Maybe they would have ignored him. I can't fault him for initial flight response, it was a bad set of circumstances to have a bunch of people in the dark around the corner. I very well might honk and use my several tons of advantage to exit the situation as carefully as I could.

Then Mr. AK walks in to the scene...

A few things after reading this thread...
1. He (Garrett) was in the Air Force. Only a handful of folks in the AF actually train with weapons. More than likely that he wasn't.

2. If you have an ounce of knowledge about weapons you know that you don't use an AK for a platform. It's better than an SKS, but not by much.

3. Why are going to a peaceful protest with an AK over your shoulder in the first place?

4. You are in Texas. Probably more folks carrying in this State than the entire country combined. What do you expect to happen when you point your weapon at a driver in this State? This is not Seattle, Portland, Maryland or Chicago...although I would not point a gun at someone in Chicago either.

5. There's two videos of Garrett that night. One of him being interviewed and talking tough and the other of him actually pointing his weapon into the vehicle. Neither video really highlighted intelligent decisions for that young man.

6. Han shot first.

Ah, now I am more curious who the guy is and if he has some connections with the DA's office.

bkag9824 said:

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AgStuckinLBK said:

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TxTarpon said:

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Foster Was a Libertarian Who Supported Jo Jorgensen's Candidacy

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Bottom picture looks like very obviously a rifle being pointed at the drivers window. What's a guy going to do when a bunch of people converge on his car and somebody starts pointing a gun? I'd do the same

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I'll be the contrarian on what's been posted several times on this thread...

I don't believe his gun was pointed at the driver in this photo, but rather pointed downward. Look at the location/angle of the butt stock in the photo of him checking his cell phone. Then compare it to the photo of him next to the vehicle. The butt stock is in almost the exact same position/location, which would indicate it's pointed downward. The angle of his right arm also indicate that the weapon is not raised, but maybe in process of getting ready to raise. Furthermore, you can't see the rifle extending to the right towards the vehicle. There is sufficient space between him and the car to raise the rifle to a full ready position, and he's not even at a low ready.

Not saying he didn't play stupid games and win the associated prize. Also not saying he never pointed the weapon at the driver/car, but the above photo does not show the rifle raised.

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That wire framed stock is on his shoulder. The gun is pointing in a downward angle toward the car. Does he have it up high enough to be targeting a driver in the head? No. But that's not the point.
You shoulder a rifle and point it anywhere NEAR my direction, and you've just shown a threat of force. That will get your ass smoked in Afghanistan or Austin.

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That wire framed stock is on his shoulder. The gun is pointing in a downward angle toward the car. Does he have it up high enough to be targeting a driver in the head? No. But that's not the point.

You shoulder a rifle and point it anywhere NEAR my direction, and you've just shown a threat of force. That will get your ass smoked in Afghanistan or Austin.

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He's standing and the driver is sitting in a small car. If not pointed at his head, it is pointed at his torso. AK guy choose poorly.