nortex97 said:

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MassAggie97 said:

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Deaths continue to plummet from pneumonia/flu/wuhan flu;

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I don't think that's an accurate reading of the graphic. That graphic appears to be updating by week; in almost every case, there is a lag in reported deaths for official determination from health officials. The breadth of that wave as well as the height of the peak are likely to both adjust wider and higher in the coming weeks.

Also, this graphic seems to lay waste to the commonly repeated falsehood of "it's the same as the flu". COVID 19 seems to be more contagious than the flu, and of course there is no vaccine, which is why deaths from COVID now are double what could be expected from a normal flu season.

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The red peak is plummeting, as are flu deaths, it's a fact, because the summer is always lowest.

Your second paragraph/point is an attempt to enter a straw man argument I am not making, nor has the board generally made. Wuhan flu was not present in previous years and has added to deaths this year from pneumonia like illnesses, we all understand that, though I think the actual mortality is around the same as the regular flu for people who contract it. It's worse for the elderly though, as Cuomo's nursing home victims would attest if still alive. What is true is that total deaths are a far cry lower than all of the 'models' from March-April warning of millions of dead Americans.

Houston has peaked, as has Texas, likely. You can sell the panic still on the coronabro board, probably. OP was obviously factually wrong 2 weeks ago.

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That is great news and kind of what I was expecting/hoping. The two weeks are up, time to open everything back up.

ETFan said:

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Gold Star ntxVol said:

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They are not using any phase 2 beds according to the July 5th graphic I posted, not sure where you're getting that information.

As for jockeying elective procedures based on bed availability, that is nothing new. It happens every flu season. Yes, not normal for this time of year but still something they have experienced in the past.

The evidence to this point is becoming clearer everyday that this is not much more than another type of flu bug. Nothing suggests this is going to be any worse than the 2017-18 novel flu pandemic.

The fear mongering is getting old.

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https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

From TMC, I'm getting all of my numbers from their website.

I don't really want to enter in to a side tangent about flu, but this has killed more than the 2017-18 flu, by 42k using the high end estimate for 17-18 deaths. So not sure what you're talking about. Also, a large chunk of flu capacity is already built in to our system. COVID isn't/wasn't yet.

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If comparing to 2018, please show testing and reporting protocols for both. You are jumping to conclusions that aren't possible to discern from that graph.

Obviously no one is dying because Abbott made us wear masks 5 days ago. It's simple science guys.

The best defense against Covid is getting 40k unmasked people to protest and march in unity with Turner and Alcevedo.

Troutslime said:

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ETFan said:

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Gold Star ntxVol said:

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They are not using any phase 2 beds according to the July 5th graphic I posted, not sure where you're getting that information.

As for jockeying elective procedures based on bed availability, that is nothing new. It happens every flu season. Yes, not normal for this time of year but still something they have experienced in the past.

The evidence to this point is becoming clearer everyday that this is not much more than another type of flu bug. Nothing suggests this is going to be any worse than the 2017-18 novel flu pandemic.

The fear mongering is getting old.

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https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

From TMC, I'm getting all of my numbers from their website.

I don't really want to enter in to a side tangent about flu, but this has killed more than the 2017-18 flu, by 42k using the high end estimate for 17-18 deaths. So not sure what you're talking about. Also, a large chunk of flu capacity is already built in to our system. COVID isn't/wasn't yet.

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If comparing to 2018, please show testing and reporting protocols for both. You are jumping to conclusions that aren't possible to discern from that graph.

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What graph? I posted TMC ICU usage. My comment about flu is unrelated to the chart I posted?

Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.

ETFan said:

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Gold Star ntxVol said:

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They are not using any phase 2 beds according to the July 5th graphic I posted, not sure where you're getting that information.

As for jockeying elective procedures based on bed availability, that is nothing new. It happens every flu season. Yes, not normal for this time of year but still something they have experienced in the past.

The evidence to this point is becoming clearer everyday that this is not much more than another type of flu bug. Nothing suggests this is going to be any worse than the 2017-18 novel flu pandemic.

The fear mongering is getting old.

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https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

From TMC, I'm getting all of my numbers from their website.

I don't really want to enter in to a side tangent about flu, but this has killed more than the 2017-18 flu, by 42k using the high end estimate for 17-18 deaths. So not sure what you're talking about. Also, a large chunk of flu capacity is already built in to our system. COVID isn't/wasn't yet.

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You can use global data to skew the numbers if you like but everyone knows that data is tainted by a few states who handled this thing very very poorly.

During the 2017-2018 flu season 11,917 people in TX died from influenza like illnesses, current mortality rate for the Chinese flu suggest we won't reach that level.


https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/IDCU/disease/influenza/surveillance/2017-2018-Texas-Influenza-Surveillance-Activity-Report/18Wk39Oct05.pdf

Nationwide (could not find state specific stats) hospitalizations for the Chinese flu stand at about 330K so far. During the 2017-2018 flu pandemic there were over 800K hospitalizations.


https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

I see no evidence to suggest the current hospitalization load from the Chinese flu is anything beyond what our medical system has experienced in the past. I see no evidence that the populations most at risk from the Chinese flu are that much different from the at risk populations during the 2017-18 flu pandemic.

Champ Bailey said:

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Two more days before we are out of room.

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You mean meemaw and peepaw just might make it?

We're just two more weeks from seeing the whole system collapse unless everyone both stays home and wears a mask, including to bed.

8 percent of phase 2 beds were occupied on the 14th.



Hospitalizations per week for covid are down; percent of tests run that are positive is also down from 16 to around 11-13.



The good news is I hear parking is really easy to find in/around TMC right now!

Did Houston ICU exceed capacity?

I've seen stuff recently about Houston hospitals being over capacity.

What I haven't seen is how much of that is the artificial bubble associated with earlier behaviors (such as restricting elective surgeries), how much is due to resources being reserved as covid surge capacity, and how much is the actual active covid cases.

If you took standard operating volumes, and overlay active covid patients - what does that additional stress look like?

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So we had an increase that was handled effectively by the hospital system? And our death rate is still 1/10 of NYC?

What a great, positive update. Way to go Texas

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Weird. Someone being positive. Yes, still shifting capacity, and last update I saw for my hospital was we were a little over 90% capacity in ICUs and medsurge. Best news is our numbers seem to be leveling off.

Just give it 2 more weeks

cmag said:

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Decay said:

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So we had an increase that was handled effectively by the hospital system? And our death rate is still 1/10 of NYC?

What a great, positive update. Way to go Texas

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Weird. Someone being positive. Yes, still shifting capacity, and last update I saw for my hospital was we were a little over 90% capacity in ICUs and medsurge. Best news is our numbers seem to be leveling off.

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I think I'm going to just be bubbly-positive about COVID and see if that helps change the world from being so stupid and scared about it.

One post at a time!

nortex97 said:

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We're just two more weeks from seeing the whole system collapse unless everyone both stays home and wears a mask, including to bed.

8 percent of phase 2 beds were occupied on the 14th.



Hospitalizations per week for covid are down; percent of tests run that are positive is also down from 16 to around 11-13.



The good news is I hear parking is really easy to find in/around TMC right now!

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I still want to know how many are in the hospital with Covid vs because of it. I bet this chart still isn't telling the whole story.

Gold Star ntxVol said:

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ETFan said:

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Gold Star ntxVol said:

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They are not using any phase 2 beds according to the July 5th graphic I posted, not sure where you're getting that information.

As for jockeying elective procedures based on bed availability, that is nothing new. It happens every flu season. Yes, not normal for this time of year but still something they have experienced in the past.

The evidence to this point is becoming clearer everyday that this is not much more than another type of flu bug. Nothing suggests this is going to be any worse than the 2017-18 novel flu pandemic.

The fear mongering is getting old.

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https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

From TMC, I'm getting all of my numbers from their website.

I don't really want to enter in to a side tangent about flu, but this has killed more than the 2017-18 flu, by 42k using the high end estimate for 17-18 deaths. So not sure what you're talking about. Also, a large chunk of flu capacity is already built in to our system. COVID isn't/wasn't yet.

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You can use global data to skew the numbers if you like but everyone knows that data is tainted by a few states who handled this thing very very poorly.

During the 2017-2018 flu season 11,917 people in TX died from influenza like illnesses, current mortality rate for the Chinese flu suggest we won't reach that level.


https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/IDCU/disease/influenza/surveillance/2017-2018-Texas-Influenza-Surveillance-Activity-Report/18Wk39Oct05.pdf

Nationwide (could not find state specific stats) hospitalizations for the Chinese flu stand at about 330K so far. During the 2017-2018 flu pandemic there were over 800K hospitalizations.


https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

I see no evidence to suggest the current hospitalization load from the Chinese flu is anything beyond what our medical system has experienced in the past. I see no evidence that the populations most at risk from the Chinese flu are that much different from the at risk populations during the 2017-18 flu pandemic.

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Thank you for posting this information, very informative.

FYI for everyone; Houston has survived. Hospitalizations continue to decline.



65 percent of total ICU bed capacities (phase 1, 2, 3) are occupied.



https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

La Commandante is in her chambers pouring over the data and formulas trying to figure out where they went wrong. Report should be ready in about 2-weeks.

Pookers said:

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Carl Hungus said:

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Just now joining this thread, did the hospitals get overwhelmed and everyone die?

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Everyone's dead man.

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We are all bots. Bunnies, roaches, octopus and otters are fighting for control of New Earth.

There may be a few colonies of humans in the Marfa area.

This thread is currently looking like the OB thread on jeep dude...

MaroonStain said:

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Pookers said:

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Carl Hungus said:

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Just now joining this thread, did the hospitals get overwhelmed and everyone die?

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Everyone's dead man.

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We are all bots. Bunnies, roaches, octopus and otters are fighting for control of New Earth.

There may be a few colonies of humans in the Marfa area.

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Houston now....

How many times do people need to be wrong?

Houston is barely hanging on. This is what I saw when out earlier.

sorry for the bump but is Houston still standing?

riverrataggie said:

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How many times do people need to be wrong?

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Just for another two weeks. Then I'm sure they will finally be right.

I live in EaDo. Here's the view looking over Buffalo Bayou.