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There is TONS of data showing that hospitalizations lag infections.

People get exposed, they get sick, and then they get sick enough to require hospitalization. That can take well over a week.

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There is also tons of information on the demographics of those who are at risk for hospitalization.

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Exactly. Which is why if you only use hospitalizations as a metric, but the bug gets loose in, say, a nursing home, you're screwed. Because that will result in a massive surge in hospitalizations a week or so later.

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So fortify the nursing homes. Is this not possible?

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Oh, so you want to test everyone in and around the nursing home? Because people work there and they go home to their families at the end of their shifts. They're not closed systems.

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Can't nursing homes make it a closed system as needed? Necessity is still the the mother of invention. People are limitless in their creative solution when given freedom to do so.

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How do you make it a closed system?

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I have ideas but they wouldn't amount to much. I bet the staff, nurses, patients and their families would have a much better understanding of the needs and nuances for each facility. Why not let them decide what is best and maybe they could create solutions that outsiders would never had considered.

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barnyard1996 said:

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Keegan99 said:

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Keegan99 said:

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There is TONS of data showing that hospitalizations lag infections.

People get exposed, they get sick, and then they get sick enough to require hospitalization. That can take well over a week.

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There is also tons of information on the demographics of those who are at risk for hospitalization.

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Exactly. Which is why if you only use hospitalizations as a metric, but the bug gets loose in, say, a nursing home, you're screwed. Because that will result in a massive surge in hospitalizations a week or so later.

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So fortify the nursing homes. Is this not possible?

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Oh, so you want to test everyone in and around the nursing home? Because people work there and they go home to their families at the end of their shifts. They're not closed systems.

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Can't nursing homes make it a closed system as needed? Necessity is still the the mother of invention. People are limitless in their creative solution when given freedom to do so.

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No. Even so-called "skilled nursing facilities" are very limited in the medical care they provide. Residents are constantly being shuttled to and from hospitals by EMS. It can be for something as stupid as the resident is annoying, they'll find a way to ship them out. In the mean time, you've potentially infected the EMS crews, hospital staff, and an one else the patient comes in contact with,

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tysker said:

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Keegan99 said:

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barnyard1996 said:

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Keegan99 said:

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barnyard1996 said:

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Keegan99 said:

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There is TONS of data showing that hospitalizations lag infections.

People get exposed, they get sick, and then they get sick enough to require hospitalization. That can take well over a week.

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There is also tons of information on the demographics of those who are at risk for hospitalization.

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Exactly. Which is why if you only use hospitalizations as a metric, but the bug gets loose in, say, a nursing home, you're screwed. Because that will result in a massive surge in hospitalizations a week or so later.

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So fortify the nursing homes. Is this not possible?

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Oh, so you want to test everyone in and around the nursing home? Because people work there and they go home to their families at the end of their shifts. They're not closed systems.

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Can't nursing homes make it a closed system as needed? Necessity is still the the mother of invention. People are limitless in their creative solution when given freedom to do so.

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How do you make it a closed system?

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I have ideas but they wouldn't amount to much. I bet the staff, nurses, patients and their families would have a much better understanding of the needs and nuances for each facility. Why not let them decide what is best and maybe they could create solutions that outsiders would never had considered.

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Also, most are run buy barely competent management and medical staff. Those places were death traps already, way before the virus. I'm hoping that one of the good things that comes from this is shining a light on how horrible this system is, but I doubt it.

Okay Im really really upset now. I had tickets and a camper spot with electric hook up.

Sorry. You'll have to figure out a different way to contract herpes.

Debated in my mind for about 5 seconds whether or not to Google juggalos. I did not. Probably thankfully.

It's a group spawned out of the Insane Clown Posse. That's probably enough info..

Patton asked to carry on into Russia. Maybe should have been a little more ambitious.

There was a post on this thread (I think) where a poster in Houston (I think) talked about a coworker that returned from Wuhan in December and was out for two weeks with a really bad flu.

Can anyone find it? Or recall the poster? The TexAgs search is kinda painful.

Sorry got confused thought this was a Houston board thread. Yeah it's in here somewhere early.

I think it was Scottimus. I scanned the 1st 20 pages and didn't see. It was a graduate student of his that returned from visiting family in Wuhan, got sick, but tested negative. I'm not certain but just throwing that out there.

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Honest question. Looking for some insight.

If we can train dogs to detect blood sugar levels in diabetic children,
why wouldn't it be possible to train dogs to detect Coronavirus infections in people?

If we can, it could possibly be a great screening procedure at airports.

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my guess is that diabetics have certain smells they emit in their breath due to Ketones and sugars being (or not being ) processed. Just like people on Keto can get funky breath, dogs can pick up on that and be trained to pick up on that easily

Covid virus gets in and damages cells. It is fully internalized (if that makes sense), and not likely to result in detectable "smells" for dogs.

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I thought dogs could detect certain types of cancer, also.

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they most definitely can

it would come down to whether COVID infected cells give off the right kind of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) that dogs and detect and be trained to detect.

The reason cancer sniffing dogs are not prevalent is that dogs are dogs. They get lazy. They get bored. They get distracted. Even the best sniffers only have a very low success rate.

https://www.livescience.com/61234-how-dogs-smell-cancer.html

Most dogs can be trained to recognize the odor of a specific cancer in about 6 months, Hackner said. However, many studies had setups that work in laboratories, but not the real world: often, the dog would be given five samples that always had one cancerous specimen. In reality, depending on the type of cancer, a sniffer dog might find just four cancerous specimens out of a batch of 1,000, he said.

If neither the dog nor the handler knows which four out of those 1,000 samples are cancerous, the handler can't give the dog positive reinforcement when the dog picks the right specimen, Hackner said.
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why our study failed," said Hackner, whose 2016 work, which had a real-world-like setup, was published in the Journal of Breath Research. "We were not able to provide positive feedback because neither one knew in the screening situation if the dog was right or not. This was stressful for both the dogs and the handlers."

so if it is possible, it is a year+ away, and would likely not be that accurate.
(1. have to identify VOCs for dogs to identify to I; 2) 6 months to train dogs to see if works 3) 6 more months to train enough dogs)

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New article in Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that dogs are being tested for their ability to detect Covid-19 in people.

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Could dogs' keen sense of smell help screen humans for the coronavirus?
A new study from the University of Pennsylvania's School of Veterinary Medicine might answer that question as soon as this summer.
Researchers with Penn Vet's Working Dog Center are enlisting the help of eight dogs yellow, black, and chocolate Labrador retrievers over a three-week period to expose their sensitive sniffers to COVID-19-positive saliva and urine samples in a laboratory setting. The process, known as odor imprinting, will likely begin as soon as next week.

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If CoVid smells like sausage or cheese I will be in good shape.

OK, so now Virginia has joined NY in cooking the books. Not satisfied with the real statistics they decided to "change their methodology" , according to the State Secretary of HHS. Now every positive test counts as a new person with the disease. So a lady check into a hospital (real story), she tests positive for Covid while there. They test her four times and all four times she is Covid positive. Now according to the state of Virginia that is four cases. As a result of this "change in methodology" the state had a 15% increase in cases in less than 24 hours. Shocking results I know.

Just another example of moving the goal posts, finding ways to justify continued lock downs, and contributing to the overall (horse****) "bad news" statistics.

That's how you reach exponential!!

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/10/136131/chinese-scientists-have-put-human-brain-genes-in-monkeysand-yes-they-may-be-smarter/



China......

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We have innate immunity to flu, not so for covid 19. That means that you go longer where the virus replication goes unchallenged by any immune response, meaning more damge while showing no symptoms. This results in more contact transmission than the flu. Compound that with a more efficient means of attachment than that of the flu and you have an recipe for ridiculous spread. It's not "just the flu". It very much needs to be respected for what it is... a silent invader on the prowl for the immuno-compromised. This is the flu's big brother and if we're not careful it'll be happy to prove it.

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You care to wager? I'll take the flu kills more people this year, you take the silent invader? $100?

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I'd like some of that action. I'll take flu. And give him odds.

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Is this still open for wagers?

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95k and counting...

K

Not real numbers. 50k maybe

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Okay Im really really upset now. I had tickets and a camper spot with electric hook up.

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LOL. They be down wid da clown. No Neddin.

I just go for the women and orange soda.

I wonder where Mr.Infectious is. No posts in 6 weeks. He's going to owe me silver before too long.

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I wonder where Mr.Infectious is. No posts in 6 weeks. He's going to owe me silver before too long.

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I'll vouch for him. He's a man of his word and paid up on our whiskey bet. Got it in the mail yesterday.

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I wonder where Mr.Infectious is. No posts in 6 weeks. He's going to owe me silver before too long.

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What is the bet?

He thought both Trump and Biden would be replaced at their conventions due to how they responded to covid early on.

I took some time off....the break did some good.

Let's get the bet finalized (if not already done)....I am not wasting my time going through this thread to find it. If you can find the post, put it up.

From what I remember it was 10oz of Silver. 5oz if Biden isn't the nom & 5oz if Trump isn't the nom. I could be wrong though.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/27/americans_dont_get_ruled_143306.html

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Since the inception of this insanity, the following regulations, rules or consequences have occurred:
I won't get COVID if I get an abortion but I will get COVID if I get a colonoscopy.

Selling pot is essential but selling goods and services at a family- owned business is not. Pot wasn't even legal and pot dispensaries didn't even exist in this state until five months ago and, in that five months, they have become essential but a family-owned business in existence for five generations is not.

A family of six can pile in their car and drive to Carlyle Lake without contracting COVID but, if they all get in the same boat, they will.

Our economy is shut down because of a flu virus with a 98 percent plus survival rate. Doctors and experts say different things weekly. The defendant cites models in his opposition. The only thing experts will agree on is that all models are wrong and some are useful. The Centers for Disease Control now says the virus is not easily spread on surfaces.

The defendant in this case orders you to stay home and pronounces that, if you leave the state, you are putting people in danger, but his family members traveled to Florida and Wisconsin because he deems such travel essential. One initial rationale why the rules don't apply to him is that his family farm had animals that needed fed. Try selling that argument to farmers who have had to slaughter their herds because of disruption in the supply chain.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled.

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lol silver?

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lol silver?

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Welcome back.

That is what I recall as well...

Yes, silver. When the FED can magically create trillions out of thin air, 40MM UE, negative GDP, and a Govt looking at adding another 5 trillion $ in debt before November, I'd much rather have silver than digital fiat. Especially for payment on an obscure bet. Litecoin would work too....


We aren't going to a mad max/boogaloo/end of the world scenario, but Great Depression 2.0 is going to be hard to avoid at this point.


I feel good about my Biden prediction. The Trump one, not so much.

Didn't you used to have one of those red crosses by your handle when posting previously?