China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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In reply to JimInBCS • 5:45p, 3/6/20
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that's in dispute

there might be some asymptomatic but the primary vector is proximity to people showing symptoms per the latest and greatest

what I understand is that this is less silently airborne than it is transferred in abnormally durable droplets

the rate of attack between casual encounters is lower than thought so it may actually be contagious on a closer to flu like level, but if you're not careful you'll get exposed due to surface spread

also being around really sick people in the hospital makes it even harder to avoid due to the viral loads

it's early days so who knows
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In reply to YouBet • 5:50p, 3/6/20
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
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In reply to cone • 5:50p, 3/6/20
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for example, assume the people on the cruise ship weren't exposed via the air ducts from an airborne attack (since that's the latest thinking)

then how did they get it if they were supposed to be chilling in their rooms?

I would guess the food and the people handling it and the kitchen being contaminated.

just a wild ass guess.
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In reply to MetoliusAg • 5:56p, 3/6/20
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MetoliusAg said:


I mentioned it a few pages ago. My son is a student at UW. They only have 1 week of classes left, then the next week is finals. After that is Spring break. So basically 3 weeks of not going to class, but they will really only miss a week's worth. Not that big of a deal. (They are on a quarter system not a semester system)
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5:59p, 3/6/20
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So any good flight deals out because of this? Got some vouchers I need to use before June
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In reply to cone • 6:01p, 3/6/20
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for example, assume the people on the cruise ship weren't exposed via the air ducts from an airborne attack (since that's the latest thinking)

then how did they get it if they were supposed to be chilling in their rooms?

I would guess the food and the people handling it and the kitchen being contaminated.

just a wild ass guess.
Poorly washed dishes, cutlery, and glasses
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In reply to Eliminatus • 6:03p, 3/6/20
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So this thing is at six figures plus in a smidge under a 100 different countries across this entire world.

When does it become a pandemic? Genuinely curious.


It's a pandemic by definition. It's well beyond it's original source Wuhan China and there is country to country community level spread.

The WHO, CDC etc just won't announce it to avoid panicking people.
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In reply to gomerschlep • 6:04p, 3/6/20
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gomerschlep said:
So any good flight deals out because of this? Got some vouchers I need to use before June


Traveling to Washington in 3 weeks. Booked 5 months ago. Rates have plummeted this week...$400 fight credit in my pocket so far.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:04p, 3/6/20
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22 new cases in New York today with 4,000 people now in quarantine.

All cases and nearly all in quarantine are connected to, you guessed it, that freaking lawyer.

https://abc7ny.com/health/44-confirmed-covid-19-cases-in-ny;-4000-people-under-quarantine/5989875/
That dude is going to be the Steve Bartman of the coronavirus.
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 6:07p, 3/6/20
Or crew members infecting each room they visit while they are performing house keeping duties, cleaning toilets, changing bedding, room service, serving drinks, waiting tables me etc.

If one lawyer can infect everyone in his family and his neighbors families, 19 crew positive can infect virtually everyone on that ship.

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In reply to YouBet • 6:07p, 3/6/20
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.


Indians have disgusting hygiene practices, almost as bad as the Chinese.
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Five new cases in Colorado today with one of them in Eagle County. That means that both Eagle and Summit where a ton of resorts are have it going around. I'm thinking with spring break it's going to explode here in Colorado over the next week.

At this point I think it's going to so what it's going to do and we just need to push through it.
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In reply to FamousAgg • 6:10p, 3/6/20
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KorbinDallas said:
How Coronavirus works/microbiology 101 for those interested.Excellent YouTube channel and something to keep an eye on.

Wow, fascinating video. Thank you for posting.
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In reply to Fairview • 6:11p, 3/6/20
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Five new cases in Colorado today with one of them in Eagle County. That means that both Eagle and Summit where a ton of resorts are have it going around. I'm thinking with spring break it's going to explode here in Colorado over the next week.

At this point I think it's going to so what it's going to do and we just need to push through it.
All but one picked it up from international travel. The other was in an area of California where the virus is active.
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 6:12p, 3/6/20
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what was that lawyer doing by the way

because one recent paper put the familial attack rate at <15%

which is surprising but not if they were at a karaoke bar or at a house party in a small area and they all touched the same doorknob or toilet flush or shared drinks out of a punch bowl
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:12p, 3/6/20
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In reply to gomerschlep • 6:14p, 3/6/20
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gomerschlep said:
So any good flight deals out because of this? Got some vouchers I need to use before June


R/T to NOLA from Houston on weekends in April for $150ish with Southwest
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YouBet said:
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
I don't know who. Who?
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6:24p, 3/6/20


Looks like our government is going to go the way of Iran's!
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Nuclear Scramjet said:


Looks like our government is going to go the way of Iran's!


Could we be so lucky?!
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6:25p, 3/6/20
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 6:26p, 3/6/20
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The Fall Guy said:
Austin radio ripping the decision. People and bands saying they will still come. Bars and venues not cancelling the bands


This is what a lot of the locals and hipsters wanted (my brother being one of them). They are excited that SXSW is getting rid of the corporate shills and going old school like it was 20 years ago.
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
Someone had to post this on the men's bathroom wall (IT) where I worked.




And I worked IT FOR A HOSPITAL. IT people are savages.
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In reply to Nuclear Scramjet • 6:27p, 3/6/20
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Looks like our government is going to go the way of Iran's!

Are there any old people in our .gov? They're the only ones that really need to worry.
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CSTXAg92 said:
YouBet said:
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
I don't know who. Who?
I'm gonna go with rogue raccoons. Those little guys are filthy.
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6:29p, 3/6/20
Trying to find a better source, but apparently both of the AIPAC people are connected to that ****ing lawyer.
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Snap E Tom said:
YouBet said:
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
Someone had to post this on the men's bathroom wall (IT) where I worked.




And I worked IT FOR A HOSPITAL. IT people are savages.
Uhmm. Can people not form coherent sentences any more? Even in IT?
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Snap E Tom said:
YouBet said:
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
Someone had to post this on the men's bathroom wall (IT) where I worked.




And I worked IT FOR A HOSPITAL. IT people are savages.
I worked in healthcare back in the day. It was always fascinating to see nurses and respiratory patients on oxygen sitting in the courtyard together smoking.

My neighbor back then was a heart surgeon and he would step outside of the hospital and smoke too.

Edit: And these were mostly white people FTR.
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In reply to Big Al 1992 • 6:32p, 3/6/20
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Big Al 1992 said:
The Fall Guy said:
Austin radio ripping the decision. People and bands saying they will still come. Bars and venues not cancelling the bands
This is what a lot of the locals and hipsters wanted (my brother being one of them). They are excited that SXSW is getting rid of the corporate shills and going old school like it was 20 years ago.
Yep, local radio saying people who were planning to attend still have their spring break and flights with hotels / air bnb reservations, so very likely they will still end up in Austin and a 'black market' SXSW.
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 6:33p, 3/6/20
Mr.Infectious said:
Eliminatus said:
So this thing is at six figures plus in a smidge under a 100 different countries across this entire world.

When does it become a pandemic? Genuinely curious.


It's a pandemic by definition. It's well beyond it's original source Wuhan China and there is country to country community level spread.

The WHO, CDC etc just won't announce it to avoid panicking people.
This is why the WHO won't declare a pandemic:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/425m-in-world-bank-catastrophe-bonds-set-to-default-if-coronavirus-declared-a-pandemic-by-june

Basically, playing with people's lives so a few rich people can be richer.
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Snap E Tom said:
Mr.Infectious said:
Eliminatus said:
So this thing is at six figures plus in a smidge under a 100 different countries across this entire world.

When does it become a pandemic? Genuinely curious.
It's a pandemic by definition. It's well beyond it's original source Wuhan China and there is country to country community level spread.

The WHO, CDC etc just won't announce it to avoid panicking people.
This is why the WHO won't declare a pandemic:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/425m-in-world-bank-catastrophe-bonds-set-to-default-if-coronavirus-declared-a-pandemic-by-june

Basically, playing with people's lives so a few rich people can be richer.
Geez. Follow the freakin' money. Every.Time.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:36p, 3/6/20
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21 people on the cruise ship holding off San Francisco tested positive for the virus, 19 crew and 2 passengers.

Obviously they'll be testing more people as needed.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/21-people-aboard-grand-princess-cruise-ship-test-positive-for-coronavirus/


A lot of crew on that ship are Filipinos, Ukrainians and South Africans. I would suspect that some crew were on previous cruises where they were exposed. Additionally, passengers tend to be very old and in poor health during this time of year (winter). And also during this time of year, ship passengers tend to be from Canada, the UK, California and states with colder climates. It is the perfect storm for viral spread.

Edit to say that staff is almost manic about having passengers wash hands before meals.
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Snap E Tom said:
YouBet said:
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  • Bathrooms. Tagged as the "epicenter of cross-contamination" and the "bio-hazardous waste transfer station," facility bathrooms are one of the germiest places of all. E. coliand other fecal toxins are often found on nearly every surface; folks who wash their hands before leaving are nonetheless presented with germy door handles. As a solution, use paper towels to turn faucets off
Especially bathrooms on the IT floors. We have to put signs in the IT bathrooms because "you know who" puts trash in the urinals. They are absolutely disgusting bathrooms.
Someone had to post this on the men's bathroom wall (IT) where I worked.




And I worked IT FOR A HOSPITAL. IT people are savages.
Uhmm. Can people not form coherent sentences any more? Even in IT?
I'm thinking you don't hang around IT people. We can go by an entire month without writing a complete sentence.
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My conference for pediatric medical education (COMSEP) just announced it is cancelled. It was supposed to be in Cincinnati.

What is super annoying is they FINALLY announced it at 6 PM. They were supposed to decide by 12. To make it more fun if you don't cancel the hotel within 24 hours of the announcement you will be charged full price.

Bunch of a-holes.

Bet it is gonna be fun waiting on hold with the hotel with 1000's of other Pediatricians.

And I cannot just decide to suddenly re-open my clinic next week because all the staff has plans already assuming I would be gone. Ah well more time for Texags I guess.
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