China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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Punked Shank
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The tests can't be trusted!

Too many false negatives!

CDC working on the background to eliminate false tests and reduce mass hysteria...

Why isn't CDC testing everyone!

They know everyone is already infected!

This board is in constant contradiction.


I will say I went to cvs and the entire sanitizer section was wiped clean. Thanks texags
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coastsrs said:

I will say I went to cvs and the entire sanitizer section was wiped clean. Thanks texags china

FIFY
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Civil.Savage

CT scans are used to monitor pneumonia. See below study of radiology of NCOV patients

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30086-4/fulltext

I believe a dry cough is being reported, but droplets occur during some ventilation methods which is necessary in 2-3% of cases. See study below.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30084-9/fulltext

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coastsrs said:


I will say I went to cvs and the entire sanitizer section was wiped clean. Thanks texags



Did you know that sanitizer is less than helpful? Ive heard it kills more people than germs.
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Quote:

Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 84,119 cases worldwide; 62 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,871 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
People need to chill the f*** out
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Is it derailing to get back to preparing British tea scones for energy to survive COVID 19? Because Tanya's comment about putting lemon curd on a scone strikes me as odd. I was once reprimanded at tea for suggesting that marmalade would be good with scones. Nonsense, assured our British table host. Fruit jam was fine but marmalade was for breakfast toast (like beans) .
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Did you get a flu shot?
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cisgenderedAggie said:

coastsrs said:


I will say I went to cvs and the entire sanitizer section was wiped clean. Thanks texags



Did you know that sanitizer is less than helpful? Ive heard it kills more people than germs.


Akshuwally Do you know I did know that and I just wanted to replace the camping bottle for when you can't always wash the hands
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Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.

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Wouldn't be surprised if their testing involves swabbing the patients bullet.
Tanya 93
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And mine said it may not be traditional, but she preferred lemon curd and that is where I got it from. I like the tartness better than the sweet against the crumbly scone

Plus, I subscribe to a British Cooking magazine and they have had a recipe for blueberry scones with lemon curd
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KorbinDallas said:

Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.



Wouldn't death be better than living under N. Korean rule?
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DeWrecking Crew said:

Quote:

Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 84,119 cases worldwide; 62 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,871 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
People need to chill the f*** out
"It is just the flu"!

Don't believe it man. Look at mortality and R0 rates. Not sure why people continue to repeat this nonsense line that has been disproved over & over.

Maybe a RushBot.

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I attended a public meeting this morning involving the local emergency management officials, with Dr. Joel Massey of the Texas Department of Health Services giving a short talk on the coronavirus.

Some talking points:

Risk from novel Coronavirus is currently very low
10,000 deaths from flu each year
CDC monitors all entries to U.S.
Texas has the only hospital in the nation devoted to tuberculosis
Texas is prepared to use Non-pharmacological interventions (NPIs)
Texas has an 89-page plan to prepare for nCoV
Nurse call-in line activated to help identify cases
Texas has largest public health laboratory in the world outside of CDC.
Testing and testing errors: one reagent was faulty. People with no history of travel or coming in contact with an infected person have a much greater chance of a false positive than actually being infected.
Texas has largest public health laboratory in the world outside of CDC
The addresses of those in voluntary quarantine are being provided to local EMTs if they are called.
There are people being monitored in north Texas, as part of voluntary quarantine.
Texas has stockpiles of PPE waiting to be used if needed, and more has been ordered and is on its way.
Texas has a vast amount of available hospital beds.
Chinese hospitals in large cities only specialize in one or two fields such as coronary disease, infectious diseases, etc.
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KorbinDallas said:

Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.




More or less what DJT said yesterday.
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wessimo said:

KorbinDallas said:

Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.




More or less what DJT said yesterday.


Really? What consequences did Trump allude to? The NorKs literally shot someone suspected to have Coronavirus
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North Korea has been preparing for decades, instituting a draconian, totalitarian regime that exercises absolute control over people's lives.
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Images from newly built hospitals in NK explicitly for coronavirus patients.


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IrishTxAggie said:

wessimo said:

KorbinDallas said:

Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.




More or less what DJT said yesterday.


Really? What consequences did Trump allude to? The NorKs literally shot someone suspected to have Coronavirus


But did the virus spread?
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I think you should just pee on your hands. My neighbor's sister's colleague's former roommate has seen lots of studies showing how fresh urine is better for washing hands than hand sanitizers that will give you diabetes.
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KidDoc said:

DeWrecking Crew said:

Quote:

Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 84,119 cases worldwide; 62 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,871 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 28, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
People need to chill the f*** out
"It is just the flu"!

Don't believe it man. Look at mortality and R0 rates. Not sure why people continue to repeat this nonsense line that has been disproved over & over.

Maybe a RushBot.




I didn't say anything about it Just being the flu... what the stats show is that as of today, the flu is a far, far, far more a serious threat than COVID-19. There's no reason for the panic, unless we're going to panic about the flu, because that's the real threat to Americans of the two options. When it spreads here, and it will, there will be 10 times less people die from it than the flu this year, but somehow it will dominate the conversation.
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My 13yo daughter just showed me that The Amazing Race instagram post that Season 33 filming had to be abandoned mid-race due to the Corona Virus. Did not say anything about they countries they were in, but the noted nobody was ill.
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Paging KidDoc or someone else more educated than me. Can you explain this in English?

My understanding is there are mutations that aren't in other similar animal coronavirus? Does this lend any credibility to the lab related theories? Seems the human binding parts of the genetic code were unchanged, so coincidence?

"Due to very limited knowledge of this novel virus, we are unable to give reasonable explanations for the significant number of amino acid substitutions between the 2019-nCoV and SARS or SARS-like CoVs. For example, no amino acid substitutions were present in the receptor-binding motifs that directly interact with human receptor ACE2 protein in SARS-CoV (Ge et al., 2013), but six mutations occurred in the other region of the RBD. Whether these differences could affect the host tropism and transmission property of the 2019-nCoV compared to SARS-CoV is worthy of future investigation."
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(20)30072-X
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KorbinDallas said:

Paging KidDoc or someone else more educated than me. Can you explain this in English?

My understanding is there are mutations that aren't in other similar animal coronavirus? Does this lend any credibility to the lab related theories? Seems the human binding parts of the genetic code were unchanged, so coincidence?

"Due to very limited knowledge of this novel virus, we are unable to give reasonable explanations for the significant number of amino acid substitutions between the 2019-nCoV and SARS or SARS-like CoVs. For example, no amino acid substitutions were present in the receptor-binding motifs that directly interact with human receptor ACE2 protein in SARS-CoV (Ge et al., 2013), but six mutations occurred in the other region of the RBD. Whether these differences could affect the host tropism and transmission property of the 2019-nCoV compared to SARS-CoV is worthy of future investigation."
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(20)30072-X
It means either lab or shift from animal to human host. If you want to read up on this well known issues it is referred to as "Antigenic shift" as opposed to "Antigenic drift".

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I didn't say anything about it Just being the flu... what the stats show is that as of today, the flu is a far, far, far more a serious threat than COVID-19. There's no reason for the panic, unless we're going to panic about the flu, because that's the real threat to Americans of the two options. When it spreads here, and it will, there will be 10 times less people die from it than the flu this year, but somehow it will dominate the conversation.
No, that's not what the stats show at all.

COVID-19 has started from an initial infection site of 1, and is not widely spread and has already caused 2,800 some-odd deaths in less than 3 months.

The various strands of influenza are broadly seeded, are prolific, and still only cause 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide per year.

If you take the mean of the flu deaths from your numbers, 1 billion cases and 468,000 deaths you get a risk of death of 0.05% if you get infected. Right now depending on the region COVID-19 has a mortality of 1-8%. Case fatality rate of 2%, which is 20 times that of the flu.

The flu is understood. There is treatment for it (tamiflu). We have a vaccine against it. And it represents a small systemic load - the flu doesn't cause a strain on our healthcare system.

This has the risk of causing a temporary load on our healthcare system that could be potentially overwhelming. If that happens, the mortality goes to the high end of the estimate as care declines. That's what we saw in Wuhan.

So, yes, today I have a very low risk of exposure to this disease. But we need to be cognizant that the situation can change rapidly, and if it does, this seem to be a disease with some serious risks associated with it. Much more than the seasonal flu.
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coastsrs said:

The tests can't be trusted!

Too many false negatives!

CDC working on the background to eliminate false tests and reduce mass hysteria...

Why isn't CDC testing everyone!

They know everyone is already infected!

This board is in constant contradiction.


I will say I went to cvs and the entire sanitizer section was wiped clean. Thanks texags



Sack up. Paint thinner, gasoline, kerosene work better anyway.
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jpd301 said:

txyaloo said:

Several of my customers have tested their BCRPs in the last week including having much of their workforce work from home for a day.
What is a BCRP?
Business continuity and resiliency plan.
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Thanks for the info KidDoc

Edit: meant to thumbs up...
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Excellent review by an MD of a major study of COV patients, and very good "things you should do" at the end of the video.



Answers a lot of questions seen on here. Like age breakdown of those killed
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i'm gonna set the o/u on this thread to 400 pages. buckle up.
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DSAg44 said:

i'm gonna set the o/u on this thread to 400 pages. buckle up.
ill take over
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2nd Case... proof of what we already suspect... but don't want to admit even though in our gut we already know!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/28/santa-clara-county-announces-new-coronavirus-case/
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Tanya 93 said:

And mine said it may not be traditional, but she preferred lemon curd and that is where I got it from. I like the tartness better than the sweet against the crumbly scone

Plus, I subscribe to a British Cooking magazine and they have had a recipe for blueberry scones with lemon curd


Well, I will have to defer to British Cooking. On to trifle and Victoria sponge cake!
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UTExan said:

Tanya 93 said:

And mine said it may not be traditional, but she preferred lemon curd and that is where I got it from. I like the tartness better than the sweet against the crumbly scone

Plus, I subscribe to a British Cooking magazine and they have had a recipe for blueberry scones with lemon curd


Well, I will have to defer to British Cooking. On to trifle and Victoria sponge cake!
Try a London Fog cake.

It has become my new favorite.
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EMSSki said:

2nd Case... proof of what we already suspect... but don't want to admit even though in our gut we already know!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/28/santa-clara-county-announces-new-coronavirus-case/


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