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That's the way I handle it because Publix is so close, and tomorrow is going to be my yearly hurricane emergency stuff run at Sam's Club. I figure I'll just do it in February instead of July this year. I'm starting to get a feeling that either from this or from Flu-A that's going around at their day care right now I'm going to be home with one or both of them for some while over the next 30-60 days.

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Again: Is the early data still holding up indicating that the vast majority of deaths are the elderly and those with preexisting medical conditions?

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So far but again getting reliable data has been difficult. As we see the spiraling cases in SKorea, Japan, and Italy I think we'll get a much better feeling for the data. I would suspect you'll also see a very high correlation of malnutrition to deaths in places like Iran, Pakistan, Africa and so forth as well.

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There was also early reporting that young children seem to have some sort of innate resistance. Anything further on that?

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Does not appear that children have an innate immunity, but the sample size is still too small to know the true risks. We will know much more about mortality / critical illness rates in about one month (once ROK, Japan, and Italy report). We also have our group of Americans with the disease, so hopefully they will all survive and the picture will not be so grim. China is lying about everything, hence the delay.

Sadly we have seen children who have passed in videos.

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Those videos have been debunked. From 70,000 case Chinese study, no one under the age of 9 died.

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So far but again getting reliable data has been difficult. As we see the spiraling cases in SKorea, Japan, and Italy I think we'll get a much better feeling for the data. I would suspect you'll also see a very high correlation of malnutrition to deaths in places like Iran, Pakistan, Africa and so forth as well.

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Does not appear that children have an innate immunity, but the sample size is still too small to know the true risks. We will know much more about mortality / critical illness rates in about one month (once ROK, Japan, and Italy report). We also have our group of Americans with the disease, so hopefully they will all survive and the picture will not be so grim. China is lying about everything, hence the delay.

Sadly we have seen children who have passed in videos.

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Those videos have been debunked. From 70,000 case Chinese study, no one under the age of 9 died.

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If so, surely that's of high interest to those seeking to understand the virus?

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3052129/coronavirus-infected-health-official-leading-south

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A senior health official at the forefront of South Korea's fight against Covid-19 has tested positive for the coronavirus and identified himself as a member of the religious cult linked to hundreds of other cases.

The official, whose name has been kept from the public, is the head of the Infection Preventive Medicine Department in the western district of Daegu City, which is at the epicentre of the outbreak in South Korea.

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Meanwhile, the economic impact accelerates: Collapse

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I highly doubt that any infection number here are reliable at all. I suspect that children are fighting off the disease at a higher rate depending on exposure. We have seen videos leak of multiple children being loaded into a single body bag in China. So is the risk 0? No I very highly doubt it. But I suspect in industrialized countries with specialized children's supportive care and high nutritional standards most kids will be better off from what we can guess from the statistics. Of course that really is only a guess, the cruise ship which is the biggest cluster of cases outside of China is going to skew significantly older. I'd keep an eye on Italy and especially the church in Korea. If a bunch of kids come down with it there that's your canary watch so to speak.

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UK: 6,539
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Canada: 464
USA: 414

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How good are the tests, I wonder. My son recently had the flu. Dr. said the test rarely produced false positives but frequently produced false negatives. He said, you look like you have the flu to me. His prescription of Tamiflu worked.

Our original test kits (15,000 tests capability) had faulty reagents.

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It is crazy that only 400 tests have been run in the US. Definitely opens up the possibility that it is spreading here undetected.

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CDC doesn't want to test. They can say whatever they want but they're slow playing things.

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Keep in mind, that was just point of treatment test kits.

Labs could be testing for this if they were really motivated (they're not). Look at South Korea - those figures are all lab tests.

Only 15% of the cases are serious it's nbd, please disperse!

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If it was running rampant around the US, we'd see far more people being sick enough to be placed on ventilators, unless it only does that to Asians. Keeping that a secret would be impossible.

Hope you are correct, but I think there are a lot of Italians and Iranians who would disagree with you.

BTW, did you buy some stock today? Lots of bargains.

The CDC estimates 16,000 to 41,000 people have died from the "regular" flu since October 1. That's 109-280 per day.

And only 414 tests have been run for coronavirus.

This can't be true....somebody debunk this please...

Kind of hard to tell from the chart but Japan has only reported 1 death so far.

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This can't be true....somebody debunk this please...

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Most likely he was looking at it along with numerous other resources.

This can't be real.

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This can't be real.

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It's a training video. Saw it elsewhere.

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This can't be real.

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Heard that this was a simulation, and not real....regardless, shows how serious they are taking it anyway.

Bernie and Coronavirus. We're so screwed.

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Bernie and Coronavirus. We're so screwed.

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Dow Jones Industrial Average


-1,031.61 (-3.56%)

That's a cool link. Thanks!

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Heard that this was a simulation, and not real....regardless, shows how serious they are taking it anyway.

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You can tell it was not real - the car stopped before the police/military vehicle even moved...

but didn't a caltrop pop up in the air as though the car drove over it?

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This can't be true....somebody debunk this please...

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Most likely he was looking at it along with numerous other resources.

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You have a lot more faith in our bloated, corrupt, and incompetent Government than I do.....


Remember this gem......"Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job"

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You have a lot more faith in our bloated, corrupt, and incompetent Government than I do.....


Remember this gem......"Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job"

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When it comes to something like this, I tend to believe the most obvious explanation.

Stock market "TRUMP BUMP"

This is a conversation I had with a friend earlier which makes sense but it relies on some assumptions:

COVID19 is a bioweapon but its designed for economic damage rather than a mass casualty event. Super infectious but low CFR compared to similar coronaviruses (SARS, MERS, Swine flu). It's designed to overwhelm the system, create shortages, and disrupt supply chains.

WHO & CDC know this so their response is to combat it economically. Rather than report that its a world wide pandemic which would induce panic buying and make the situation worse, they under report. Similarly the CDC under tests. They cant report an epidemic if you only test 20 people per day #rollsafe. That's why you have Trump and others saying "dont worry about coronavirus, the stock market will be fine"

So far the only country who seems to be aggressively testing and reporting this is South Korea because they have a doomsday cult trying to spread the disease.