SchizoAg said:

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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No idea if this is true. I assume it's not but interesting nonetheless.

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I find it hard to believe that such a highly-educated person would write "Even near by distances." Aside from "nearby" being a single word, conceptually there is no such thing as a "nearby distance".

It also doesn't make any sense that whoever she sent this to, obviously a close friend, after assuring Nancy that "I'll keep this between us", would betray her trust and post it on the internet, thus ending their friendship.

In short: You have to be pretty dumb to believe this.

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Fenrir said:

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A simple explanation for that is that maybe she is not supposed to be a public face of the CDC. I doubt they want every doctor that is part of the CDC out making comments.

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Fenrir said:

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A simple explanation for that is that maybe she is not supposed to be a public face of the CDC. I doubt they want every doctor that is part of the CDC out making comments.

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The first plane carrying American passengers landed at a Northern California air force base just before midnight Sunday. A second flight touched down at a San Antonio air force base around 2 1/2 hours later, early Monday.
Passengers will be quarantined for two weeks to make sure they don't have the new virus that's been spreading in Asia.
The U.S. said that 14 evacuees received confirmation they had the virus but were allowed to board the flights because they did not have symptoms.
About 380 Americans were on the cruise ship.
Japan's Defense Minister Taro Kono had tweeted earlier that Japanese troops helped transport 340 U.S. passengers on 14 buses from Yokohama port to Tokyo's Haneda airport.

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Science vs politics: did the US overreact to the coronavirus outbreak in China?

• The H1N1 influenza strain in a 2009 pandemic was first detected in the United States and killed an estimated half a million people but no countries turned away or quarantined Americans
• Beijing says Washington's travel restrictions for China are inappropriate but public health experts say the coronavirus is special cause for concern

The outbreak of a
new coronavirus in China has added a new and intensifying source of tension to an already fractured relationship with the United States.

With threats to public health, transport, and the global economy
looming, it was no surprise that the two countries would clash as the epidemic that apparently started at a seafood and live animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan spread to the US, among other countries.
But the mysteries of a coronavirus that jumps species to find a home in humans also known as a zoonotic disease has opened a new, acrimonious rip into bilateral ties that were already tearing apart. It has pitted science against politics.
Amid confusion among health authorities and ordinary citizens about how seriously to take the new coronavirus, Beijing has pushed back against the decision by the US government to deny entry to foreigners who have recently travelled to China and by US carriers to suspend their flights to and from the country. Meanwhile, Americans returning from Hubei province the epidemic's epicentre are being sent to quarantine centres for two weeks.


Earlier this month, China's foreign ministry accused Washington of having "inappropriately overreacted" to the outbreak with its strict travel restrictions for China.
Foreign Minister Wang Yi underlined the message this weekend
, suggesting that the measures had put into jeopardy a phase one trade agreement that took nearly two years to hammer out.

"The United States' comprehensive ban on people coming and going between China will bring some difficulties to implementing this agreement," Wang told Reuters in Beijing. "I hope that the US will consider this problem, and continue to prevent the spread of this epidemic while not taking unnecessary limitations on trade and people."

The World Health Organisation pegged the fatality rate of
severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars)
, caused by a coronavirus, at 15 per cent, and that for Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers), another coronavirus epidemic at 34 per cent.

There are only four known types of human coronavirus that are not fatal; they each cause the relatively benign condition we know as the common cold. The only other human coronaviruses known to science Sars, Mers, and the one that causes Covid-19 have fatality rates above influenza pandemics, and there are no vaccines for any of them.
Conversely, humans eventually develop immunity to influenza strains like H1N1, so these contagions become less of a threat over time, and they are better understood by epidemiologists.
Despite the ground H1N1 covered globally, the CDC concluded that the epidemic killed only 0.001 to 0.007 per cent of the population.

"Coronaviruses are not predictable," said Kate Zaiger, an epidemiology master's degree candidate at Harvard University's T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
"With coronaviruses, it's difficult for us to predict whether it's going to die out, whether it's going to mutate again, from the secondary mutation are we going to see a third mutation, is there going to be a tertiary mutation that's going to make this completely unsolvable," said Zaiger, who has a patent pending for a protein that she's hoping will work in a future Covid-19 vaccine.
Zaiger cited the possibility that the new coronavirus had mutated since the initial outbreak in the Wuhan market into one that has aerosolised, meaning that it can now survive in the air and travel through ventilation systems to infect others.
She pointed to rising cases on a quarantined cruise ship docked off Japan's coast as a possible example. While allowing that the 454 cases, including one death, now confirmed on the trip might have direct or indirect connections to Hubei province, the steady rise in these numbers might also be caused by droplets projected by the coughs of symptomatic passengers travelling to other cabins through the air.
"Zoonotic viruses usually continue to evolve on their animal hosts even when they disappear from human society," said Jennifer Bouey, an epidemiologist and China policy specialist at the Rand Corporation.

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Rapier108 said:

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Not everyone who gets infected with a virus, be it coronavirus, rhinovirus, the flu, and even Ebola, develop symptoms. Sometimes it is due to a natural/genetic resistance; other times it seems to be dumb luck.

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Rapier108 said:

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Not everyone who gets infected with a virus, be it coronavirus, rhinovirus, the flu, and even Ebola, develop symptoms. Sometimes it is due to a natural/genetic resistance; other times it seems to be dumb luck.

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China postpones year's biggest political gathering amid coronavirus outbreak

• March's 'two sessions' set to be delayed amid the Covid-19 epidemic, which has killed more than 1,700 people
• Government spokesman tells Xinhua news agency that delay will allow government officials to focus on fighting the outbreak

China's annual parliamentary meeting, which was scheduled for early March, will almost certainly be postponed because of the Covid-19 outbreak.
The state news agency Xinhua reported that the standing committee of the National People's Congress (NPC) would discuss the delay later this month effectively indicating that it would be put back.
Zang Tiewei, a spokesman for the NPC legislative affairs commission, told Xinhua that deferring the March meeting would allow government officials to concentrate on controlling the outbreak, which has killed more than 1,700 people.
Zang said one third of the national legislators were also local government officials who are currently working to stop the disease spreading. No new date for the meeting has been announced.

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KorbinDallas said:

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If you have to say "please keep this between us" it shouldn't be in a format easily screen shot and sent all over the internet. Not to say that it's impossible, but you would have to be stupid to put that in writing.

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Many PhDs I know are extremely knowledgeable in a very narrow field of expertise, but still make tons of simple mistakes with grammar etc. Also, as a result of their background they're often arrogant and underestimate others and dont consider all the ramifications of a situation outside their area of expertise (in this case, a doctor accidentally making a de-facto PR statement).

That text is likely bogus, but arguing "a doctor would be too smart to make those mistakes" is flat out wrong.

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Coronavirus: Americans on WHO team to assess crisis, China says

• Experts to visit Beijing, Guangdong and Sichuan but Hubei, where the virus originated, is not on the itinerary
• Specialists say the visit must include a trip to the outbreak's epicentre in the province to get a full picture

A team of medical experts from the World Health Organisation (WHO), including specialists from the US, will visit Beijing and the Chinese provinces of Guangdong and Sichuan from Monday to assess the country's efforts to contain the spread of
a deadly coronavirus
, according to the Chinese foreign ministry.
But neither
Wuhan or any other part of Hubei, the central Chinese province at the epicentre of the outbreak
, was on the itinerary, raising concerns among medical experts about the transparency of the mission.
The death toll from the coronavirus had risen to 1,770 on mainland China as of Sunday, with 70,548 people, including more than 1,700 medical workers, infected. Most of those confirmed with the disease, now known as Covid-19, are in Wuhan.
China has repeatedly said it welcomes international cooperation to contain the outbreak, but the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said last week that it had
not yet received an invitation to send experts to the country.

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IrishTxAggie said:

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OldAg89er said:

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What is being lost by the naysayers , those who pretend its harmless, is as I said previously : this virus is a military grade weapon that escaped from the L4 lab in China.

Thus, the reason even the U.S. is building quarantine camps and down playing what the future holds. It is going to run its course.

Chinese death toll is over 200,000.

54E.

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Imagine this: you find out there are hundreds of cases in the city where you live. We already know it is easily transmitted and lives on surfaces for days..

You haven't prepared because you have spent your time and efforts trying to look like a smart guy on Texags.

Now, you wet your pants realizing you only have a week or two of food in your pantry. You rush out to the store. Do you touch the buggy? What about all the fresh produce people have been sneezing and coughing on for 1-3 days? Do you get some produce? How about canned goods that have been touched by others? Boxed food? Bottled water? What about medicines, a lot of which is out of stock because it was made in China, or truly smart people stocked up? Do you touch that self checkout portal? Let a cashier touch everything (if there is anything) that you are buying? The sacker? Do you pay with paper bills? Do you enter your PIN with bare fingers? Do you touch the handle of the gas pump?

Do you wear gloves? A mask? Eye protection? Do you sterilize the food containers when you get home? How? With what? Where did you get the mask? Gloves?

I will submit that just grocery shopping will be a very hard thing to do as numbers rise in your area - even if there is food to shop for.

If I am right or wrong and people listen - they will be in a much better position no matter what happens.

If you are wrong - anyone listening to you is screwed.

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Bobcat06 said:

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KorbinDallas said:

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If you have to say "please keep this between us" it shouldn't be in a format easily screen shot and sent all over the internet. Not to say that it's impossible, but you would have to be stupid to put that in writing.

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Many PhDs I know are extremely knowledgeable in a very narrow field of expertise, but still make tons of simple mistakes with grammar etc. Also, as a result of their background they're often arrogant and underestimate others and dont consider all the ramifications of a situation outside their area of expertise (in this case, a doctor accidentally making a de-facto PR statement).

That text is likely bogus, but arguing "a doctor would be too smart to make those mistakes" is flat out wrong.

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

https://www.kbtx.com/content/news/American-evacuees-from-cruise-quarantined-in-Japan-due-to-coronavirus-land-in-US-567933931.html?fbclid=IwAR36tC82bVNz7O_acSI_g_mrT_PO4hOLFdZgpiwLowXiLTTy6x3B2S2cdaE

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The first plane carrying American passengers landed at a Northern California air force base just before midnight Sunday. A second flight touched down at a San Antonio air force base around 2 1/2 hours later, early Monday.
Passengers will be quarantined for two weeks to make sure they don't have the new virus that's been spreading in Asia.
The U.S. said that 14 evacuees received confirmation they had the virus but were allowed to board the flights because they did not have symptoms.
About 380 Americans were on the cruise ship.
Japan's Defense Minister Taro Kono had tweeted earlier that Japanese troops helped transport 340 U.S. passengers on 14 buses from Yokohama port to Tokyo's Haneda airport.

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Rapier108 said:

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Right, I assume they will develop symptoms.

I have only heard of one person (in the world) that had the Virus confirmed and exhibited no symptoms...it was the dude from Africa that I posted earlier.

I still seems to me that the testing of this Virus in unreliable?

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IrishTxAggie said:

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It's as if someone has been saying it has to do with mainland China's living conditions and hygiene all along...

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daggertx said:

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Rapier108 said:

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Not everyone who gets infected with a virus, be it coronavirus, rhinovirus, the flu, and even Ebola, develop symptoms. Sometimes it is due to a natural/genetic resistance; other times it seems to be dumb luck.

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Give it time, they will.

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AgResearch said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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It's as if someone has been saying it has to do with mainland China's living conditions and hygiene all along...

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****hole country

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Rapier108 said:

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daggertx said:

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Rapier108 said:

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scottimus said:

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Interesting;

14 Confirmed to have the virus but are asymptomatic.

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Not everyone who gets infected with a virus, be it coronavirus, rhinovirus, the flu, and even Ebola, develop symptoms. Sometimes it is due to a natural/genetic resistance; other times it seems to be dumb luck.

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Give it time, they will.

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They may, or they may not.

It is well known in virology that not every person who gets infected with a virus will develop symptoms. The reason why varies, but it is very possible and well documented that someone who is infected can be completely without symptoms all the way until their immune system rids the body of said virus.

Now, whether or not they can spread the virus depends on the type of virus.

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Sasappis said:

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So the death rate on the boat is 0% at this point, correct?

The first patients started showing symptoms 2 weeks ago, correct?

If so, this thing is looking more and more like a treatable and manageable virus than the global killer many here predicted.

The flu kills something like 1 in 700 in the US. That is usually the very sick or very old/young. This thing certainly may have a higher mortality rate than that within certain populations but it does not sound like it is an indiscriminate killer.

Is this a reasonable conclusion so far based on the numbers outside of China? I still think it is too early to stop worrying but I feel more optimistic today than a couple of weeks ago.

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