Not too bad if that hold true. Not great, but not terrible.goodAg80 said:
China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission
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Maroon and whiteredsquirrelAG said:
I was more curious of the gangs official colors. Could be a dealbreaker for me.
duh
The state department issued a level 4 travel advisory today for China - do not travel..this is the same level as North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, VenezuelaCy_Tolliver said:
Again, I ask why is the CDC not demanding restrictions on international travel from China?
They issue dire press releases for measles infections demanding action as if the world is ending even though measles is far less severe than other diseases and extremely rarely results in death.
So hypothetically the Chinese were modifying these viruses together so that you would become I'll at the same time taking down your immune system.
Maroon and White always!
EKU/TAMU
Apparently they doxed a Chinese scientist and accused him of engineering the virus. So I don't think it was because of the HIV stuff
I called it yesterday but I dont think anyone noticed.
https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/?fbclid=IwAR1GhqPaTesAA0R9G2iDqByXQtiedeJQ35AhZ-YzhJurbz1exr8q31Oa2kE
https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/?fbclid=IwAR1GhqPaTesAA0R9G2iDqByXQtiedeJQ35AhZ-YzhJurbz1exr8q31Oa2kE
Shanked Punt said:Not too bad if that hold true. Not great, but not terrible.goodAg80 said:
Not sure why most of the shaded area is less than sars for contagiousness when there are already a lot more cases than ever of sars.
Sorry - I'm asking about the CDC, which has been the guidepost for disease control. State Dept is under Trump which I would expect sanity. CDC is a corrupt organization. This type of thing is literally why they exist.Zemira said:The state department issued a level 4 travel advisory today for China - do not travel..this is the same level as North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, VenezuelaCy_Tolliver said:
Again, I ask why is the CDC not demanding restrictions on international travel from China?
They issue dire press releases for measles infections demanding action as if the world is ending even though measles is far less severe than other diseases and extremely rarely results in death.
Cy_Tolliver said:Sorry - I'm asking about the CDC, which has been the guidepost for disease control. State Dept is under Trump which I would expect sanity. CDC is a corrupt organization. This type of thing is literally why they exist.Zemira said:The state department issued a level 4 travel advisory today for China - do not travel..this is the same level as North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, VenezuelaCy_Tolliver said:
Again, I ask why is the CDC not demanding restrictions on international travel from China?
They issue dire press releases for measles infections demanding action as if the world is ending even though measles is far less severe than other diseases and extremely rarely results in death.
They raised it to Level 4 yesterday.
Maroon and White always!
EKU/TAMU
brd79 said:KorbinDallas said:KorbinDallas said:queso1 said:
Serious question: why is this such a big deal? Flu kills so many more people and spreads very rapidly...more than 300 cases a day. Why are we so worried?
My real concern is that it's A LOT worse than China is letting on and they are scared ****less.
So to rehash the previous 59 pages just for you...
This is a new (novel) virus not known to infect humans before, so as far as we know no immunity. China is basically coming to a stand still economically, therefore the world Economy will be slowing also. There is reason to suspect that China was studying (if not modifying) this virus in a bio lab. China's reported numbers are suspected to be several times lower than real numbers. Infected persons are spreading the virus before showing symptoms. The mortality of this virus seems to be 20-30 times that of the normal flu. The spread of this virus appears to be 2 to 3 times more than the normal flu. I'm sure I have left off several other important facts.
Here is my personal answer again.
The death rate may be a lot lower due to the unknown number of cases that are mild and never wind up being tracked. Right now the death rate is only for those bad enough to go to the hospital or seek out testing. At least I hope...
Maybe, but that would also mean that it is even way more contagious. This would be equivalent of tracking the more serious version of it. Essentially a lower R0 but higher mortality than actual. Seems like it kind of evens out.
In that articles he goes over 4 options:
Option 1. Natural coronavirus related to bat coronaviruses, Not a Recombined Virus.
Option 2. A recombined virus that naturally picked up a SARS-like spike protein in it N-terminus (3 end) of the viral genome.
Option 3. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a bioweapon.
Option 4. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a vaccine.
The very researchers conducting studies on SARS vaccines have cautioned repeatedly against human trials;
https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/?fbclid=IwAR1GhqPaTesAA0R9G2iDqByXQtiedeJQ35AhZ-YzhJurbz1exr8q31Oa2kE
Option 1. Natural coronavirus related to bat coronaviruses, Not a Recombined Virus.
Option 2. A recombined virus that naturally picked up a SARS-like spike protein in it N-terminus (3 end) of the viral genome.
Option 3. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a bioweapon.
Option 4. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a vaccine.
The very researchers conducting studies on SARS vaccines have cautioned repeatedly against human trials;
https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/?fbclid=IwAR1GhqPaTesAA0R9G2iDqByXQtiedeJQ35AhZ-YzhJurbz1exr8q31Oa2kE
willjohnathan said:Shanked Punt said:Not too bad if that hold true. Not great, but not terrible.goodAg80 said:
Not sure why most of the shaded area is less than sars for contagiousness when there are already a lot more cases than ever of sars.
The SARS outbreak was 6 months or so, we are 1-2 months into NCOV2019
Press release?EKUAg said:Cy_Tolliver said:Sorry - I'm asking about the CDC, which has been the guidepost for disease control. State Dept is under Trump which I would expect sanity. CDC is a corrupt organization. This type of thing is literally why they exist.Zemira said:The state department issued a level 4 travel advisory today for China - do not travel..this is the same level as North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, VenezuelaCy_Tolliver said:
Again, I ask why is the CDC not demanding restrictions on international travel from China?
They issue dire press releases for measles infections demanding action as if the world is ending even though measles is far less severe than other diseases and extremely rarely results in death.
They raised it to Level 4 yesterday.
I've seen numerous press releases from CDC about minor childhood diseases. I'd love to see the CDC press release where they said to avoid anyone from Asia.
That's my point. In a lot less time there are already a lot more cases, so how is not more contagious?
Agreed
I think some people are misusing the term contagious. It does appear to be less lethal though on a percentage basis
Another Chinese creation?
When I first read the "escaped Chinese bio weapon" theory I immediately discounted it as quacksville. Does this really sound plausible?
Everything to do with "its engineered" is tinfoil. People are biting on the lines of internet trolls, and then the echo chamber and random coincidence feeds the conspiracy believers
Hard to dox when the info. was public and already all over Twitter
I'm not sure this is a bio weapon, but I'm fairly sure the Chinese govt has hid its severity.
We should be locking down our borders and stopping any and all travel to China.
We should be locking down our borders and stopping any and all travel to China.
The article I listed gave evidence for and against several theories.JJxvi said:
Everything to do with "its engineered" is tinfoil. People are biting on the lines of internet trolls, and then the echo chamber and random coincidence feeds the conspiracy believers
Also, the reason ZH (only go there w Brave browser) is so hated by Fake News such as Buzzfeed is because they are very often correct and first - informants and readers with a proven track record from all over the world
Can you give us evidence that proves its not?JJxvi said:
Everything to do with "its engineered" is tinfoil. People are biting on the lines of internet trolls, and then the echo chamber and random coincidence feeds the conspiracy believers
In my opinion, just because it came out of a bio lab doesn't mean it was created there. It could have been naturally occurring and was being studied, trying to find a vaccine, or trying to manipulate.
The apparent HIV connection and the Chinese treating current patients with AIDs drugs, does raise questions.
Not likely, in this case. This is the Bt cotton of the virus world.KorbinDallas said:
In my opinion, just because it came out of a bio lab doesn't mean it was created there. It could have been naturally occurring and was being studied, trying to find a vaccine, or trying to manipulate.
EastSideAg2002 said:
Dude is a bit arrogant. Hopefully he is right.
He also said to me once, "Duh, isn't it apparent? Hillary is going to win..."
If he is a Chinese spy, it all make sense now...
Suppose I was an idiot. Suppose I was a member of congress. But, I repeat myself.
So now people think this thing is linked to HIV? What the ****?
Can we just focus on where it's spreading and how many people it's killing?
Can we just focus on where it's spreading and how many people it's killing?
yukmonkey said:
So now people think this thing is linked to HIV? What the ****?
Can we just focus on where it's spreading and how many people it's killing?
They are one in the same...thus far
Suppose I was an idiot. Suppose I was a member of congress. But, I repeat myself.
daggertx said:Can you give us evidence that proves its not?JJxvi said:
Everything to do with "its engineered" is tinfoil. People are biting on the lines of internet trolls, and then the echo chamber and random coincidence feeds the conspiracy believers
Really?
No
Highly qualified researchers are studying the virus and we are posting information. We have the mental ability to do both.yukmonkey said:
So now people think this thing is linked to HIV? What the ****?
Can we just focus on where it's spreading and how many people it's killing?
Sounds like you are trolling then.JJxvi said:daggertx said:Can you give us evidence that proves its not?JJxvi said:
Everything to do with "its engineered" is tinfoil. People are biting on the lines of internet trolls, and then the echo chamber and random coincidence feeds the conspiracy believers
Really dude?
No
Came out days ago that China was testing HIV drugs as treatment for coronavirus.
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