Hospitals I work at in the states regularly fill their beds to the point that they hold patients in the ER and refuse transfers. It happens to big Houston hospitals all the time when I'm looking for somewhere to send a patient. Just because the beds are full doesn't mean everyone at the hospital has the virus. They could fill without any infectious disease going around. I assume they have some form of socialized medicine with health care rationing. You would want to keep your beds full in that system to keep the line moving. You have to assume at baseline that around 50-75% of the beds are full under normal conditions. Those beds could fill with regular medical patients on top of the seasonal flu that always bumps up numbers here this time of year.

Those thinking that 49,000 beds equals 49,000 coronavirus patients are saying that no other illnesses are being treated in a city of 11 million. So no heart attacks, strokes, pneumonia, trauma? The virus seems pretty bad and getting worse, but get a grip and stay in your lane regarding your assessment.

Antivirus? LOL.

Five years later maybe

No sane person drinks water in China without boiling it at the minimum, if not treating it themselves.

Unless you live at the source of the waterflow or bum**** nowhere in Tibet or near Tibet.The rivier I used to be near was colored in multiple colors due to discharge from electronics plant/chemical runoff.

This may be their response. 0:20-0:34.

Yes. It is a video game.

India would be bad

10,000 confirmed cases now.

k2aggie07 said:

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The Hopkins tracker now showing 4474

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Exponential rate around 1.6 right now. That's brutal.

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South China Morning Post Reporting

4500 cases.

106 deaths.

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In addition to air transmission, the coronavirus can be spread through physical contact, China's National Health Commission (NHC) said on Tuesday.

The incubation period of the new virus was on average three to seven days, with the longest being no more than 14 days, the NHC stated, adding that the coronavirus strain was 85 per cent similar to severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars).

A risk assessment report based on analysis of 2,744 infections recorded up to Sunday by the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, released on Monday, said the main route of transmission was respiratory droplet and close physical contact.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047849/china-coronavirus-death-toll-climbs-106-confirmed-cases-surpass?utm_content=article&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1580175089

Nuclear Scramjet said:

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10,000 confirmed cases now.

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The profoundly corrupt communist Chinese dictatorship reporting can accurately be translated to say there are over 250,000 cases across China alone. Bank on it.

DifferenceMaker Ag said:

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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10,000 confirmed cases now.

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The profoundly corrupt communist Chinese dictatorship reporting can accurately be translated to say there are over 250,000 cases across China alone. Bank on it.

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That account is a good follow for stuff like this. He has a really good podcast and his followers send him stuff constantly. If you can handle profanity, he's good and usually hilarious.

Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

I'm not seeing the 10k number anywhere else

Almost positive that's not accurate at this time. Was a chop from a longer answer in that pc

DifferenceMaker Ag said:

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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10,000 confirmed cases now.

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The profoundly corrupt communist Chinese dictatorship reporting can accurately be translated to say there are over 250,000 cases across China alone. Bank on it.

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I feel like we need to add another coefficeint. Maybe "Rmi" (R-miss-information) or something, which is the number to multiple the reported cases by. Earlier today I read an Rmi of 10x, now you are stating it's 25x. Devestating if accurate.

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DifferenceMaker Ag said:

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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10,000 confirmed cases now.

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The profoundly corrupt communist Chinese dictatorship reporting can accurately be translated to say there are over 250,000 cases across China alone. Bank on it.

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I feel like we need to add another coefficeint. Maybe "Rmi" (R-miss-information) or something, which is the number to multiple the reported cases by. Earlier today I read an Rmi of 10x, now you are stating it's 25x. Devestating if accurate.

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I would say with the utmost confidence that the multiplier resides comfortably between those 2 numbers, and closer to 25 since that was my number. I am just basing this on several factors that I have seen with my own eyes in China, particularly their love of dense crowds.

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Mother****ers are too late. IMHO.

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You're not kidding.

Nuclear Scramjet said:

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With a disease that spreads asymptotically, it's virtually impossible to stop.

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Before using big words like that, you should really look them up in Wikipedia, or a dictionary.

Well it's also virtually impossible for it to go anywhere either.

Watching Outbreak

...research

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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With a disease that spreads asymptotically, it's virtually impossible to stop.

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Before using big words like that, you should really look them up in Wikipedia, or a dictionary.

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I'm sure he meant it would approach the curve and never touch it.

I hope you except my apology for not finding the non-PC joke I'm sure is right there.

Just watched that the other day. Forgot about that opening scene! Epi(demi)c!

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I'm not seeing the 10k number anywhere else

Almost positive that's not accurate at this time. Was a chop from a longer answer in that pc

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China's ministry of health or whatever it is (NIH something) published numbers of 4600 confirmed cases with another 6800ish cases suspected (symptomatically, all signs point to nCV infection but they don't have test results back yet).

There's your 10K number.

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SchizoAg said:

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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With a disease that spreads asymptotically, it's virtually impossible to stop.

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Before using big words like that, you should really look them up in Wikipedia, or a dictionary.

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I'm sure he meant it would approach the curve and never touch it.

I hope you except my apology for not finding the non-PC joke I'm sure is right there.

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Eh that's what I get for phone typing and autocorrect errors. You all know what I meant.

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No sane person drinks water in China without boiling it at the minimum, if not treating it themselves.

Unless you live at the source of the waterflow or bum**** nowhere in Tibet or near Tibet.The rivier I used to be near was colored in multiple colors due to discharge from electronics plant/chemical runoff.

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I'm sure that's true about China, I was referring to countries like the USA where it's taken for granted that the water is safe.

This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

Tibet has locked down its borders.

Yet we still allow passengers from China. We screen for those with a temperature which would only catch about 25% of those that are infected.

VaultingChemist said:

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Tibet has locked down its borders.

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So are we all going to die and should I stop using plastic bags made in china for a few months?!

Paper please

Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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So if we receive goods shipped on a container from China, assuming the crew of the ship is in good health any viruses would be long gone by the time it gets to the US?

Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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So if we receive goods shipped on a container from China, assuming the crew of the ship is in good health any viruses would be long gone by the time it gets to the US?

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I wouldn't want to guess. SARS could survive 4 days in feces under the right conditions.

VaultingChemist said:

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Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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So if we receive goods shipped on a container from China, assuming the crew of the ship is in good health any viruses would be long gone by the time it gets to the US?

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I wouldn't want to guess. SARS could survive 4 days in feces under the right conditions.

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So no clue about a few weeks on a container ship?

Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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So if we receive goods shipped on a container from China, assuming the crew of the ship is in good health any viruses would be long gone by the time it gets to the US?

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I wouldn't want to guess. SARS could survive 4 days in feces under the right conditions.

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So no clue about a few weeks on a container ship?

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Probably very small risk.

MERS, another coronavirus, could survive longer than 2 days in humid conditions.

VaultingChemist said:

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Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Zemira said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Lester Freamon said:

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This may be a dumb question but what sort of danger is present in handling consumer goods imported from China? Has anyone seen anything about survivability on surfaces?

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For comparison SARS, a coronavirus:

Laboratory studies have shown that the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus can survive up to 2 days on plastic surfaces and at least that long in human feces, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced.

I haven't seen figures for the 2019-nCoV.

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So if we receive goods shipped on a container from China, assuming the crew of the ship is in good health any viruses would be long gone by the time it gets to the US?

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I wouldn't want to guess. SARS could survive 4 days in feces under the right conditions.

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So no clue about a few weeks on a container ship?

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Probably very small risk.

MERS, another coronavirus, could survive longer than 2 days in humid conditions.

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None of this is making me feel any better about possibly getting a virus shipped over in goods from China.