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I expect she won't. The Dems most likely never wanted her to testify. While Judge Kavanaugh is a known entity who does quite well in this environment Dr. Ford is a total unknown. She could get up to testify and completely crumble and cause serious damage to the Dems. They don't need this before the midterms.

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What would really be laughable and fitting for the Dems is if she did testify and pulled a "Frankie Five Angels" move and basically told the committee that she was forced to trash Kavanaugh by political operatives.

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She won't do that, either. At that point she becomes dead to each side. I'm guessing she bails on testifying at the last minute and....while Kavanaugh goes on to be confirmed...Ford become a heroine of the Left and since she is in academia (and a very soft portion of it indeed) she actually upgrades her status there by about a million. Places like Evergreen will actually throw money at her to come.

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I expect she won't. The Dems most likely never wanted her to testify. While Judge Kavanaugh is a known entity who does quite well in this environment Dr. Ford is a total unknown. She could get up to testify and completely crumble and cause serious damage to the Dems. They don't need this before the midterms.

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What would really be laughable and fitting for the Dems is if she did testify and pulled a "Frankie Five Angels" move and basically told the committee that she was forced to trash Kavanaugh by political operatives.

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She won't do that, either. At that point she becomes dead to each side. I'm guessing she bails on testifying at the last minute and....while Kavanaugh goes on to be confirmed...Ford become a heroine of the Left and since she is in academia (and a very soft portion of it indeed) she actually upgrades her status there by about a million. Places like Evergreen will actually throw money at her to come.

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Then she'll write a book, tour around giving talks about sexual assault, maybe get on the Tonight Show...

The democrats have no other option but to go scorched earth on this issue. They are all in. Look for "other developments" early next week--nothing will surprise me at this point.

This week may have solidified the red wave.

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It is amazing that there are people defending this tweet by Trump.

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Present the facts.

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The tweer doesn't say or imply "present the facts". It implies that the only way a story such as hers is credible is if a police report was filed when it happens. Talk to a forensic nurse who deals with assault, they'll tell you this tweet is b.s.

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"I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"

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Thanks for making my point. Bring forward the 36 year old filings that are the only way anyone will believe you.

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I get where you're coming from Michael. I really do. But, here's the thing. Nothing about this particular accusation is credible. It doesn't deserve to be treated as credible. In fact, pretending this is credible does further damage to women who hope to be believed when they wait to accuse their abuser as it is human nature to lump things together...Oh, there's another Dr. Ford accusation.

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Well said. What I'm trying to convey is that Trump could have accomplished the goal without calling her a liar (e.g. "The Democrats are withholding Ms Ford's letter and refusing to provide any details that would allow a reasonable investigation of her claims. The only third party she identified says it didn't happen. There just aren't enough facts to delay the confirmation any further.")

Or, he could've kept his mouth shut.

Here's the harm...other women will read Trump's text and think,. I didn't file a police report so my abuse doesn't count. They shouldn't think that way, but they will.

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But they won't look at the dems using sexual assault as a political hail mary and not think anything of it?

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I don't think it's the same. What the Dems are doing is Ford specific--she's participating, agreeing. the tweet embodies a principal--no police report, then it didn't happen. For someone wrestling with shame, such a message amplifies that shame (well, you screwed that up).

That's one reason specially trained medical professionals are needed for assault victims. To help them with those early decisions in a way that doesn't add shame (more shame) to an already traumatic event.

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The democrats have no other option but to go scorched earth on this issue. They are all in. Look for "other developments" early next week--nothing will surprise me at this point.

This week may have solidified the red wave.

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Not sure if it's enough to move a national needle. What it will do is increase GOP turnout in red states where several senators didn't need this issue to come out. They needed Kavs confirmation to go smoothly and not make headlines so they could hold their seats. Their only hope of holding their seats was low conservative turnout. That won't happen now.

I'm quite sure something happened to Dr. Ford in her youth--it's full of indiscretion. No doubt she harbors shame and guilt from those decisions, but seems unwilling to accept the consequences of her behavior.

Instead, she lashes out (conveniently) at those (Gorsuch and Kavanuagh) that most likely fit her worldview of the boys who she let take advantage of her in her youth.

She is not credible, she is not believable, and I feel sorry for her on multiple levels.

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She said that the therapist made a mistake in the notes if I remember correctly. I doubt that. She just couldn't remember the lie she told. Trump is an idiot but 100% right with this tweet.


Do we know why she was in couples therapy? What are the odds she was ****ingaroind on her husband and is blaming her past for taking all the dick she can find? I guess we will never know.

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Last story I saw was that this was a repressed memory that came in couple's therapy. Meaning something was going on in their marriage that triggered such a memory to surface. At least that's how unearthing of repressed memories are supposed to work. There's some trigger for them. It could be fear and that would suggest there were abuse problems in the marriage.

She has effectively waived doctor/patient confidentiality by giving copies of a portion of their therapist's notes to WaPo. And she is still talking to WaPo reporters supposedly.

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wasn't the repressed memory idea floated by Whelan before last night's evil twin theory?

I hope I am right in thinking this will go poorly for the Democrats the way they have handled all of this.

It is like the Dems don't realize that, oddly enough, a lot of women in this country have sons.

After she appears (or doesnt appear), Chuck needs to come out and plainly say, "I dont believe you."

Not because of her story, but because of the unprecedented (and yes this is unprecedented) manner in which the democrats played the hand.

Its political. Its done to smear. Its done to delay. You are not to be believed, Ms. Ford.

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It is amazing that there are people defending this tweet by Trump.

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Present the facts.

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The tweer doesn't say or imply "present the facts". It implies that the only way a story such as hers is credible is if a police report was filed when it happens. Talk to a forensic nurse who deals with assault, they'll tell you this tweet is b.s.

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"I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"

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Thanks for making my point. Bring forward the 36 year old filings that are the only way anyone will believe you.

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I get where you're coming from Michael. I really do. But, here's the thing. Nothing about this particular accusation is credible. It doesn't deserve to be treated as credible. In fact, pretending this is credible does further damage to women who hope to be believed when they wait to accuse their abuser as it is human nature to lump things together...Oh, there's another Dr. Ford accusation.

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Well said. What I'm trying to convey is that Trump could have accomplished the goal without calling her a liar (e.g. "The Democrats are withholding Ms Ford's letter and refusing to provide any details that would allow a reasonable investigation of her claims. The only third party she identified says it didn't happen. There just aren't enough facts to delay the confirmation any further.")

Or, he could've kept his mouth shut.

Here's the harm...other women will read Trump's text and think,. I didn't file a police report so my abuse doesn't count. They shouldn't think that way, but they will.

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But they won't look at the dems using sexual assault as a political hail mary and not think anything of it?

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I don't think it's the same. What the Dems are doing is Ford specific--she's participating, agreeing. the tweet embodies a principal--no police report, then it didn't happen. For someone wrestling with shame, such a message amplifies that shame (well, you screwed that up).

That's one reason specially trained medical professionals are needed for assault victims. To help them with those early decisions in a way that doesn't add shame (more shame) to an already traumatic event.

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I believe it is the same. It's the Boy Who Cried Wolf theory. After a while, people just become numb to a sexual assault claim because of it's overuse to harm a political opponent, which hurts real victims and further silences their voices.

Ask yourself a few questions:

1. Do you believe the assault really happened?
2. Considering the timing of the allegation coupled with the lack of evidence and absurd demands to testify, can you see how many see this as nothing more than a political move and that nothing happened?
3. How do you think women/men who have been sexually assaulted/raped who see this as nothing more than a political move feel about having a life changing experience they didn't ask for used as a political tool?

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After she appears (or doesnt appear), Chuck needs to come out and plainly say, "I dont believe you."

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Nope. Let Collins and Murkowski say it with their votes.

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I'm quite sure something happened to Dr. Ford in her youth--it's full of indiscretion. No doubt she harbors shame and guilt from those decisions, but seems unwilling to accept the consequences of her behavior.

Instead, she lashes out (conveniently) at those (Gorsuch and Kavanuagh) that most likely fit her worldview of the boys who she let take advantage of her in her youth.

She is not credible, she is not believable, and I feel sorry for her on multiple levels.

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It's plausible that an attack at age 15 contributed to the later wildness. That's one reason I'm not all in on nothing happened. I'm at the "we have no weight of evidence that this was done by Kavanaugh".

Why aren't the Rs getting ahead of this? It seems to me th easy way out is to point out fake allegations make it hard to believe victims of real crime.

Come on Hillary...offer up your jet.

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I'm quite sure something happened to Dr. Ford in her youth--it's full of indiscretion. No doubt she harbors shame and guilt from those decisions, but seems unwilling to accept the consequences of her behavior.

Instead, she lashes out (conveniently) at those (Gorsuch and Kavanuagh) that most likely fit her worldview of the boys who she let take advantage of her in her youth.

She is not credible, she is not believable, and I feel sorry for her on multiple levels.

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It's plausible that an attack at age 15 contributed to the later wildness. That's one reason I'm not all in on nothing happened. I'm at the "we have no weight of evidence that this was done by Kavanaugh".

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That is not unreasonable.

What is less reasonable is the idea that with only this weight of evidence (of a 36 year old charge) is that you can get as far as this in torpedoing a SC nominee at the 11th hour, especially in the way it was all knowingly held back.

Actually, Trump should tweet out that he's willing to fly out and pick her up on AF1, because her voice needs to be heard.

She doesnt want to fly?!?! **** her. Grassley bent over backwards to accommodate that issue earlier....

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Doesn't want to fly?

Give me a ****ing break. They already offered to COME TO HER.

This is complete and total BS. It is so painfully obvious that I have to question the intelligence levels of those here claiming they believe her.

Correct response. This is theater. Everyone needs to play their part. If she shows up listen to what she has to say. Ask pertinent questions that are difficult to categorize as attacking. Then vote. If she is a no show comment on how disappointing it is that she wouldn't come tell her story. Then vote.

No reason to attack her unnecessarily. Its what the Dems want. The only issue is getting him confirmed and then going into the midterms without the unwanted rancor.

It is important that everyone understand that this is completely unprecedented. It is a disgrace and the Dems have elected to burn down the process.

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Un-friggin-believable

**Breaking** - Ford rejects Wednesday testimony offer, cites missing Yoga class she takes on Wednesdays and excessive airborne gluten in DC area as reasons. News at 5.

I give it 12 hours before there are a half dozen confirmations of conferences she's attended in her professional capacity that required her to fly.

This is like someone making up a secret agent cover story in reverse. "Let's chart a course of action here and then hope like hell we found every scrap of evidence that proves us all liars."

Wow. Are the D's that desperate now? The "I'm to terrified to fly" excuse. The last person to use this was John Madden. Chances of confirmation just shot up.

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How else should the committee accommodate her?

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Ya see, the funny thing about facts are that the accuser needs to be willing to share them. Dr. Ford can't be bothered to do something as simple as that.

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How else should the committee accommodate her?

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Don't feed the troll

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I agree. Asking this woman to get on a jet is silencing her.

Looks like a Greyhound Bus can get her cross country in 72 hours. Let's book her for first thing in the morning. She can be there by Wednesday.