Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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nortex97 said:

Absolutely. This reinforces one of the points in the post I linked to above today. The FBI/CIA leadership/managers way too often consider themselves immune, from any abuse/prosecutions, or even oversight vs. the rest of the country's citizens. This perspective is in opposite view vs. the constitution's basic outlook/position.

And, I'd add, Gina Haspel isn't "the enemy" to my mind, but rather a Trump appointee who is/was just absorbed into the culture of her executive agency.

Ultimately, accountability is what is absolutely needed, and I see...essentially none of it, based on Stzrok's latest media tour Sunday.
Gina Haspel has been with the CIA since 1985. She didn't get "absorbed" into the culture, she IS the culture.
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That's a cabinet level turf battle there, probably a cordial one, but the CIA doesn't want the DOJ upending its operations, maybe questionable ones.
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drcrinum said:



Another one.

You guys, especially the lawyers, know I like to post fringe theories on what might happen/what one side might do. So....

I'd love to see Barr enter an appearance and tell Sullivan directly "I had experienced prosecutors review the file. They said it should be dismissed for a series of reasons. I agreed. We determined which of these reasons could be made public and we included that subset in the record here. If amicus wants to accuse me of being President Trump's *****, and assume something nefarious is going on, I can't stop him. However, amicus does not and cannot know everything that I know and you are REQUIRED to dismiss this case because that is uncategorically my decision to make."

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When?!
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blindey said:

Solicitor general's office argues on behalf of the United States at the Supreme Court.

That NOA is what we call a "shot across the bow."

This is going to SCOTUS and the 'A' team is in the game.

Well I'm an old geezer. To me, the Supreme Court used to mean "things will be set right". Unfortunately, it doesn't mean that to me anymore.
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Rockdoc said:

blindey said:

Solicitor general's office argues on behalf of the United States at the Supreme Court.

That NOA is what we call a "shot across the bow."

This is going to SCOTUS and the 'A' team is in the game.

Well I'm an old geezer. To me, the Supreme Court used to mean "things will be set right". Unfortunately, it doesn't mean that to me anymore.
If it makes you feel any better, even Ginsberg would most likely buy the DOJ's separation of powers/ and proper party argument.

United States v. Sineneng-Smith was her opinion in May of this year. She strongly rebuked the 9th Circuit for bringing in amici and ignoring the issues as framed by the actual parties. Much like what Sullivan has done.
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Don't know if this is new or not. On the move and can't check.

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Well we knew the third renewal was illegal because of Clinesmith.

But now all four applications were illegal. That nets Comey, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein and McCabe by my count.

Now, need to connect dots to any use of the fruit of the poisonous tree within Mueller's activities. I am still amazed that there was never a FISA on Flynn. Guess even they knew it would be tough to credibly allege a Lt. General was an agent of a foreign power. Might apply to Papadopoulus, and Manafort though.
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aggiehawg said:

Well we knew the third renewal was illegal because of Clinesmith.

But now all four applications were illegal. That nets Comey, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein and McCabe by my count.

Now, need to connect dots to any use of the fruit of the poisonous tree within Mueller's activities. I am still amazed that there was never a FISA on Flynn. Guess even they knew it would be tough to credibly allege a Lt. General was an agent of a foreign power. Might apply to Papadopoulus, and Manafort though.
They had Flynn dead on within the first ring of the two hops, using Carter Page and/or Popadop. They didn't need no stinking FISA Warrant on him. Plus they were investigating him on FARA charges as well.

They need to skin Weissman alive in front of Comey, McCabe and Rosenstein...then say, "okay, young man, step right up." Just like going to the barber when you were a kid

He'd wet himself, as would his two assistants...
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The referenced FISC document has the makings of a bombshell.

https://www.intelligence.gov/assets/documents/702%20Documents/declassified/June_2020_FISC_Opinion.pdf

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On four occasion in 2016 and 2017, upon application by the government in the above- captioned dockets, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court approved electronic surveillance and physical search targeting Carter W. Page pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, codified as amended at 50 U.S.C. 1801-1885c. The government has acknowledged that at least some of its collection under color of those FISC orders was unlawful. It nevertheless now contends that it must temporarily retain, and potentially use and disclose, the information collected, largely in the context of ongoing or anticipated litigation. The Court hereby sets parameters for such use or disclosure......
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drcrinum said:

The referenced FISC document has the makings of a bombshell.

https://www.intelligence.gov/assets/documents/702%20Documents/declassified/June_2020_FISC_Opinion.pdf

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On four occasion in 2016 and 2017, upon application by the government in the above- captioned dockets, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court approved electronic surveillance and physical search targeting Carter W. Page pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, codified as amended at 50 U.S.C. 1801-1885c. The government has acknowledged that at least some of its collection under color of those FISC orders was unlawful. It nevertheless now contends that it must temporarily retain, and potentially use and disclose, the information collected, largely in the context of ongoing or anticipated litigation. The Court hereby sets parameters for such use or disclosure......

Carter Page is fixing to get paid. Wonder who else? Although the term "ongoing or anticipated litigation" in general usually refers to civil litigation, it is not exclusive. Might be some criminal litigation in there somewhere.
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aggiehawg said:

Well we knew the third renewal was illegal because of Clinesmith.

But now all four applications were illegal. That nets Comey, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein and McCabe by my count.

Now, need to connect dots to any use of the fruit of the poisonous tree within Mueller's activities. I am still amazed that there was never a FISA on Flynn. Guess even they knew it would be tough to credibly allege a Lt. General was an agent of a foreign power. Might apply to Papadopoulus, and Manafort though.
They didn't get a FISA on Flynn because they didn't need one. Brennan was already illegally spying on him
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Strong interest from the legals here

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A judge sharply criticized federal prosecutors for failing to turn over important evidence to a businessman accused of violating U.S. sanctions on Iran -- and then ordered the whole high-powered Manhattan office to read her 34-page opinion on the botched case.


U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan found "serious and pervasive issues related to disclosure failures and misleading statements to the court," detailing problems with the government's handling of the case against Ali Sadr Hashemi Nejad.


"The cost of such government misconduct is high," Nathan wrote. "With each misstep, the public faith in the criminal-justice system further erodes. With each document wrongfully withheld, an innocent person faces the chance of wrongful conviction. And with each unforced government error, the likelihood grows that a reviewing court will be forced to reverse a conviction or even dismiss an indictment, resulting in wasted resources, delayed justice, and individuals guilty of crimes potentially going unpunished."


The case is a significant black eye for the U.S. attorney's
I THINK this belongs here because there's so much of this expansive case that has run through SDNY.

Let me know what y'all think.

FWIW, there's an article from Dershowitz about that particular case, but also slamming the SDNY. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of folks.

I gotta figure Cy Vance is involved in the various goings on of that office, but that's another conversation.
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This is backed by data.
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Not subscribed to Bloomberg. Can you give me a date when this guy was charged and prosecuted by SDNY? Who was the US Attorney at the time?

TIA.
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U.S. v. Ali Sadr Hashemi Nejad, 18-cr-00224

With that case number, have to assume it's a 2018 case.
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Thanks. So under Berman, the guy Barr just got rid of. Goes to show Barr was over target on that one.
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Having a little forum trouble I'm sure is my own making.

Jurist, you're correct. It's from March, 2018.

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SADR's case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Andrew L. Carter Jr. in the Southern District of New York. Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman said: "As alleged, Ali Sadr Hashemi Nejad created a network of front companies and foreign bank accounts to mask Iranian business dealings in Venezuela and evade U.S. sanctions.
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I got Kohl confused with someone else. Thought he was a line prosecutor. He's not.

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Kohl's also got responsibility over national security matters. So it's likely he could be dropping the 'above your paygrade' argument on Sullivan.
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AG 2000' said:

Kohl's also got responsibility over national security matters. So it's likely he could be dropping the 'above your paygrade' argument on Sullivan.
Well it was Wall who argued before the DC Circuit that DOJ gave their reasons for filing the MTD but those listed weren't all of the reasons they had.

So you are likely correct.
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A friendly reminder that the careerists running the DoJ (and of course FBI) are utterly corrupt leftist partisans. Yates lashes out at Barr:

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This is important because it says everything about what's wrong with the culture at the DOJ, as well as in other agencies. This faux glorification where we pretend that "career" bureaucrats are robots with no biases and an inability to do anything but act in a professional manner is insulting and dangerous. It places a bubble around government figures who do not need a bubble. They need accountability.

Take Yates herself, for example. This is a person we were assured was above board, not just by Democrats, but by Republicans alike. In the end, she spoke at the DNC and has spent the last four years writing politically charged op-eds. There was never anything objective or non-biased about this woman.

Yet, our ridiculous bureaucratic culture demanded she be respected. Why, exactly? Because she took home a fat check and pension while not having to face voters for her actions? Is that supposed to make her more virtuous than most?

Yates' freak out on Barr is revealing because it shows an arrogance that permeates our executive agencies that needs to be rooted out.

Our system is broken. It allows political hacks like Yates to embed themselves under the guise of neutrality while sabotaging anyone they disagree with. It also protects corruption in other forms, such as prosecutorial misconduct. These career officials don't need a bubble. They need accountability.

That the GOP has so played into the false idea of careerists being above reproach is one of their greatest betrayals. Anyone with a brain could have seen where this was going to lead, especially given the political make-up of our nation's capital, which is where all those careerists live. It was never a secret that 90+% of them are Democrats. That should have been combated, not coddled. The result is people like Sally Yates gaining high positions of power.

Also note she has no substantive argument vs. what Barr said, but rather a weak complaint about his analogy and attitude.

Federal agencies need to be decentralized, as this has shown, from DC. I apologize to the good people of Wichita/Topeka/Omaha/Manhattan (KS) but that's where the DoJ/FBI and many others need to be relocated to. Hopefully Trump will take that up next year.
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Federal agencies need to be decentralized, as this has shown, from DC. I apologize to the good people of Wichita/Topeka/Omaha/Manhattan (KS) but that's where the DoJ/FBI and many others need to be relocated to. Hopefully Trump will take that up next year.
Sooooooooooo much this.

The Hunger Games was supposed to be fiction, but DC is absolutely The Capital. I want DC broken up like AT&T was.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306625363070550016.html


Interesting thread. Did the SCO/Mueller threaten Papadopolous such that he would fabricate for them?
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Comey's testifying but Mueller isn't. Hopefully, something comes of it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/17/comey-testify-senate-judiciary-416844

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Former FBI Director James Comey will testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee later this month, Chair Lindsey Graham announced.

Graham (R-S.C.), whose committee is conducting a review of the FBI's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election, added that former special counsel Robert Mueller declined to appear before the panel.
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So it begins. Time to ratchet up claims against Durham. Must be getting close.

ETA: An investigation into an investigation, into an investigation(sham).

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LOL, 10 names and the most respectable one is probably Dick Durbin. What a clown show.

Most are/were licensed attorneys too, but they never provided a documented reason that would require under an appropriate statute an IG investigation.

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will25u said:

So it begins. Time to ratchet up claims against Durham. Must be getting close.

ETA: An investigation into an investigation, into an investigation(sham).




I'm assuming Horowitz can just ignore that?
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Yes. It is the senatorial version of a fart in the wind.
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Gotta love those blatant Dem-biased articles used for circular references and hearsay rumors as their basis for "politics getting into the investigation". Also, everyone forgets that Bill Barr had every legal right to not allow Mueller's SCO Report from ever seeing the light of day. No indictments of the President = No report.... This is always forgotten. Now the blatant hypocrisy of the dems saying "I do not believe Durham has the right to give a report".... screw off dems.

Not a word from any of these senators when CNN was tipped off to Roger Stone's early morning raid..... No calls for an IG investigation on that leak. Or more recently, when revealed that multiple SCO members whipped their phones when they realized they would be part of an investigation... Nothing to see there.....

Ugh, I hate everything the democratic party represents and stands for... literally everything.
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Durham isn't going to give a report. He's going to get indictments.
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blindey said:

Durham isn't going to give a report. He's going to get indictments.
Oh he'll give a report to Barr but doubt Barr releases it.
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Any ideas (leaks) WHY Durham's aide/assistant prosecutor departed cpl of days ago?
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