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https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/a20009.pdf#page=2

Here's a link to the OIG report on validating confidential human sources.
I've scanned it. There are no citations or specific incidents/procedures/applications that identify any individual persons or FBI sections involved...all generalities...so there is no way to directly assess anything with respect to SpyGate or its associated actors IMO.

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From my experience in Internal Audit, I think you are missing very grave points in the results (U) section.

This was a process audit, about key people following / implementing a key process. Any of you who have heard the term "Material Weakness", should be able to translate that impact to "significant weakness" in this report. Material Weaknesses will often end up as sanctions from the SEC...

This process audit opens Manager / Director types to varying levels of organizational punishments, from slaps on the wrists all the way up to termination. These are not civil or criminal findings, but governance transgressions. Horowitz knows who is in each position, though, which will enable enforcement of penalties or punishments on the individual.

It will be up to Barr as the top of the organizational pyramid in DoJ to determine what actions can/need to be taken.

Again, while this report does not yield a list of names and civil/criminal actions to punish, it does reveal how pitifully this FBI CHS program has been operated, especially the part about re-assigning people during sequestration . If this were a large corporation, there would be h_ll to pay, IMO.

W keys 2.0?

They had an objective to subvert the new presidency, but not quite any specific plan, just leads or ideas, and a common goal.

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his summer, ex-FBI agent Peter Strzok filed a lawsuit suggesting his firing was political retribution for having run the bureau's counterintelligence investigation into the now debunked allegations that Donald Trump and Russia colluded to hijack the 2016 election.

The Justice Department has responded to the lawsuit in a big way, releasing to the court presiding over the civil case Strzok's official misconduct file that concluded the former FBI supervisor exhibited "a gross lack of professionalism and exceptionally poor judgment."

It shows the FBI substantiated that Strzok had engaged in dereliction of duty, had committed misconduct through the expression of anti-Trump bias on his official FBI phone and committed security violations by performing official government work on personal email.

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Starting to feel like this house of cards is teetering. The Dems to me have overplayed their hand with this latest Ukrianian nonsense and inadvertantly "outed" their mole in Ciaramella. His fingerprints seem to be on a lot of stuff and there seems to just be an air of something set in motion some time ago with him in the middle of it all.

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If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?

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How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?

And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?

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He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.

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He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.

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This is why I can't figure out the dems end game. A Senate trial could go very badly for numerous people involved, including schiff potentially. So they keep claiming Trump should be impeached but......then they are going to back off? Are they just going to say Trump is guilty and they would impeach but since the election is less than a year away they won't (to try to damage Trump)? And how is all of this going to look when we find out, soon, that numerous operatives were trying to throw the election for hillary and then overturn it?

If it plays out like this the dems will have accomplished nothing having control of the House for 2 years. No legislation they can point to. Only that they tried to get Trump and failed. That would pretty much return control to the Rs.

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I think Nancy lost control of her people after the midterms, and the party as a whole has lost control of its base. They fed the TDS rage as a way to win the midterms but it created a monster that is eating the party.

The political theater going on with this "impeachment" is simply an attempt to placate their rabid, unhinged TDS consumed base, the one that is currently getting ready to start voting in primaries. The dems (and really all politicians regardless of party) in the House are scared to death of losing their seats. The dems that are in "safe" districts are worried they will get primaried or have the wingnuts single them out as not TDS/woke enough, and the new reps that came from districts that are more republican friendly are either true believers or striving to show the nutbags that elected them that they are sufficiently nutty themselves.

This is Luke and his ragtag group of rebels attacking the Death Star against all odds because they are by-Gaia on the side of right and Justice and they can't lose. Vader (Trump) is going down because that is what is supposed to happen when the good guys fight evil. And make no mistake, Trump and the republicans are evil. Not just wrong, or misguided, but existentially evil.

They (the true believers and TDS unhinged) don't have to worry about the consequences because they aren't going to miss. There won't be any consequences. They just know they've got him. This is their moment, their glorious intersectional, socialist, feminist, evil Trump-ending moment that will usher in the political nirvana of radical egalitarianism and collectivism and the end of the republicans. They aren't going to miss the shot because they are destined to make it.

Those are the people that are currently driving the bus for the dems and the passengers that don't believe they can jump the canyon are too afraid to do anything to try and stop it out of fear of what might happen to them individually, and who knows, maybe the nutballs are right. If the long shot hits, it pays out huge.

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That about sums it up

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Starting to feel like this house of cards is teetering. The Dems to me have overplayed their hand with this latest Ukrianian nonsense and inadvertantly "outed" their mole in Ciaramella. His fingerprints seem to be on a lot of stuff and there seems to just be an air of something set in motion some time ago with him in the middle of it all.

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Don't yall think that Durham has either interviewed, or almost certainly scheduled to interview Ciamarello the leaker?

I don't believe it would be because of this current impeachment issue, although I wish they would, but he appears to be centered at the beginning of the Spygate probe. Over the last 2-3 weeks, there's been a lot of quotes and comments where Ciaramello was involved in a lot of Spygate actions.

If true, holy ****e

https://saraacarter.com/vindman-advised-ukraine-prez-about-alleged-plot-but-not-his-commander-in-chief/

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Why do you think it was necessary to advise President Zelensky to stay out of domestic politics," questioned Schiff.


Vindman replied, "Chairman, in the March and April time frame, it became clear that there were actors in the U.S., public actors, nongovernmental actors that were promoting the idea of investigations and 2016 Ukrainian interference and it was consistent with U.S. policy to advise any country, all the countries, all the countries in my portfolio, any country in the world to not participate in U.S. domestic politics."

What? First we need to ask: How did Vindman deliver the message to the Ukrainian president and who directed him to deliver such policy directives on behalf of the United States?

Vindman's statement about his visit to Ukraine are highly unusual because any advice or policy directive initiated to a foreign leader must be fully approved by the administration.

It doesn't appear that this was the case when Vindman spoke to Zelensky.

Even more puzzling, is that after the U.S. delegation returned from Ukraine the participants debriefed Trump. However, Vindman, who apparently spoke directly to Zelensky was not in attendance. He noted in his testimony that Trump's former Russian advisor Fiona Hill, told him he was not needed.

I'm curious, did Vindman debrief anyone on his conversation with Zelensky? Did anyone in attendance inform the president of his private conversation with a foreign leader?.....

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Did or did not Ukraine interfere in the 2016 Election? Who better to investigate this issue than Ukrainians? If nothing improper was discovered during the investigation, then any 'alleged plot' of Ukrainian interference would be debunked. However, if found to be true, than this would need to be revealed to the proper US authorities. This very much sounds like Vindman was involved in a cover-up last April, especially since his private discourse with Zelensky went unreported or unnoticed. (More details in the full article.)

Has anyone seen anything about the IG report on mishandling of CIs? I haven't seen anything.

On the report that was just released...

Did that Q info come from the time machine? Or the aliens?

keep the Q silliness in the other thread.

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I hope that Graham knows what he is talking about. I am ready fro some meat from these investigations instead of the nothing burgers we have to date. ///Marks December 11th on his calendar///

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BMX Bandit said:

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Did that Q info come from the time machine? Or the aliens?

keep the Q silliness in the other thread.

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I don't see the letter Q anywhere in my post.

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I read through that report, not thoroughly, but digested enough to conclude that this ffe3301 tweet is dead on correct...extensive failure of key individuals to follow process rules. And I agree with you; this is not a Q drop, this is someone else who is tweeting out a comment that underlines the real seriousness of the decay of process adherence in the DoJ, that Barr can fix...perhaps Durham as well.

If you use this framework to view Obama's Presidency, it becomes more clear that he cared little for process, only control and results. That cascaded down to lower levels in the Executive branch, even spreading to the legislative branch as well. But a preponderance of DC Bureaucrats reside under the President, in the Exec branch; and the lack of process adherence for 8 years under Obama has left the entire structure lawless and damaged.

Deep State indeed...like the Mind-Flayer in Stranger Things.

ETC : corrected Slayer to Flayer...danged autocorrect...

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Did that Q info come from the time machine? Or the aliens?

keep the Q silliness in the other thread.

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Read the report, BMX.

Nunes & Jordan letter to Schiff today demanding subpoenas for:
1) The WB for documents & communications relating to the drafting of the complaint.
2) Burisma for records relating to Hunter Biden's position on the Board of Directors.
3) The DNC for communications related to the Ukrainian government and for records relating to Alexandra Chalupa.

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I read through that report, not thoroughly, but digested enough to conclude that this ffe3301 tweet is dead on correct...extensive failure of key individuals to follow process rules. And I agree with you; this is not a Q drop, this is someone else who is tweeting out a comment that underlines the real seriousness of the decay of process adherence in the DoJ, that Barr can fix...perhaps Durham as well.

If you use this framework to view Obama's Presidency, it becomes more clear that he cared little for process, only control and results. That cascaded down to lower levels in the Executive branch, even spreading to the legislative branch as well. But a preponderance of DC Bureaucrats reside under the President, in the Exec branch; and the lack of process adherence for 8 years under Obama has left the entire structure lawless and damaged.

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Of course, he's a follower of Saul "The end always justifies the means" Alinsky. Achieving the desired result is ALL that matters.

Now that head of Burisma has been indicted and document show Hunter and his partners got kickbacks from the Ukrainian gov't through Burisma, Schiff is going to have a very difficult time blocking Nune's subpoena request.

Of that I have no doubt. Some in the state dept raised concerns about the Biden arrangement but were ignored, not surprising.

When this whole sham investigation is put to bed will show the unprecedented corruption under the Obama administration and the steps the key players took to try to hide their activities.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html

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Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the "family" of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.

At a press conference at the Interfax-Ukraine agency on Wednesday, MP Andriy Derkach announced that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists about international corruption and the participation of Ukrainian officials in it.

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," Derkach said.

With reference to the investigation, he emphasized: it was money criminally obtained by the "family" of Yanukovych and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013-2014.

For his part, MP Oleksandr Dubinsky from the Servant of the People faction said that according to investigators, "the Yanukovych 'family' illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered the funds through an investment fund close to some representatives of the U.S. Democratic Party in the form of external government loan bonds."

Meanwhile, Derkach said that several facts indicate Franklin Templeton Investments' relationship with the U.S. Democratic Party.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach said.....
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Derkach also announced the amount of money transferred to representatives of the Burisma Group, including Hunter Biden. According to documents, in general, in favor of Hunter Biden, Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter and Devon Archer, Burisma paid about $16.5 million.

According to Derkach, ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin repeatedly appealed to the NABU Director Artem Sytnyk in the framework of criminal proceedings for Burisma, but constantly received formal responses. The activities of Shokin, according to the MP, irritated then U.S. Vice President Joe Biden during his fifth visit to Kyiv in two years. The visit on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to solving the issue of Shokin's resignation for the affairs of Zlochevsky and Burisma, he said.

"The subject of pressure was the $1 billion credit guarantee that the United States should have provided to Ukraine: Biden himself acknowledged the pressure in his speech to the U.S. Foreign Relations Council in January 2018," Derkach said......

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The Ukrainians are fingering more than just Burisma & the Bidens in the crooked money business.

BMX Bandit said:

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Did that Q info come from the time machine? Or the aliens?

keep the Q silliness in the other thread.

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Read the report, BMX.

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the report is good stuff. The Q stuff is not.

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What Q stuff is there?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/19/fusion-gps-serhiy-leshchenko-ohr/

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• A memo given to Fusion GPS in May 2016 includes information from Serhiy Leshchenko, a former journalist and Ukrainian lawmaker.
• The memo could shed light on Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Ohr's testimony where she said Leshchenko was a source for Fusion, which is best known for its work on the Steele dossier.
• The author of the memo suggested Leshchenko could be used as a "conduit" to publicize information about Paul Manafort.
• Leshchenko, who has denied being a witting source for Fusion GPS, is best known for his role in publicizing the "black ledger," which purported to show illicit payments from Ukrainians to Paul Manafort.

A May 2016 memo provided to Fusion GPS could help settle an enduring mystery about how a Ukrainian lawmaker served as a source for the opposition research firm, which investigated Donald Trump and his campaign on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign.

The memo, which the Daily Caller News Foundation obtained earlier in 2019, cited information from multiple Ukrainian sources regarding Paul Manafort, the now-former Trump campaign chairman. One of the sources named in the document is Serhiy Leshchenko, a former Ukrainian journalist who served in 2016 as a member of the Rada, Ukraine's parliament.

The memo's author described meeting with Leshchenko, and suggested he could be used as a potential conduit to publicize information about Manafort.

"It should be noted that Leshchenko regularly advocates on anti-corruption matters and cooperates with various [non-governmental organizations] to that end, so he could potentially be a good conduit for publicizing information," reads the memo, which was drafted May 12, 2016.

The author also suggested the "potential dissemination of information to or through Leshchenko.".....

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Interesting read about Nellie Ohr & Leschenko.

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everything other than the link. the tweeter is one of Q board's new favorites.

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If you don't like a Twitter user because of whatever either say something of substance against the tweet or ignore it, not that hard.

BMX Bandit said:

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everything other than the link. the tweeter is one of Q board's new favorites.

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Which one of his conspiracies do you disagree with?