How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
I would agree it's unlikely someone would rat, as the Party always supplants American importance. However, what if they've been subpoened? It's got to be difficult for everyone to be on the fictional page.benchmark said:This. Schiff (or his NSC staff) was almost certainly involved in a conspiracy to commit a crime (Vindman/whistle-blower leak) ... but very unlikely someone will rat or was dumb enough to leave a paper trail.aggiehawg said:
ETA: Wait, let me rephrase that. We currently have no way of knowing just what Schiff and his former NSC aides were up to with this "whistle blower" stuff. It is possible that they solicited the commission of a crime in the set-up of that scheme.
He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.Patentmike said:He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
This is why I can't figure out the dems end game. A Senate trial could go very badly for numerous people involved, including schiff potentially. So they keep claiming Trump should be impeached but......then they are going to back off? Are they just going to say Trump is guilty and they would impeach but since the election is less than a year away they won't (to try to damage Trump)? And how is all of this going to look when we find out, soon, that numerous operatives were trying to throw the election for hillary and then overturn it?captkirk said:He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.Patentmike said:He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
3 Toed Pete said:This is why I can't figure out the dems end game. A Senate trial could go very badly for numerous people involved, including schiff potentially. So they keep claiming Trump should be impeached but......then they are going to back off? Are they just going to say Trump is guilty and they would impeach but since the election is less than a year away they won't (to try to damage Trump)? And how is all of this going to look when we find out, soon, that numerous operatives were trying to throw the election for hillary and then overturn it?captkirk said:He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.Patentmike said:He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
If it plays out like this the dems will have accomplished nothing having control of the House for 2 years. No legislation they can point to. Only that they tried to get Trump and failed. That would pretty much return control to the Rs.
I think Nancy lost control of her people after the midterms, and the party as a whole has lost control of its base. They fed the TDS rage as a way to win the midterms but it created a monster that is eating the party.3 Toed Pete said:This is why I can't figure out the dems end game. A Senate trial could go very badly for numerous people involved, including schiff potentially. So they keep claiming Trump should be impeached but......then they are going to back off? Are they just going to say Trump is guilty and they would impeach but since the election is less than a year away they won't (to try to damage Trump)? And how is all of this going to look when we find out, soon, that numerous operatives were trying to throw the election for hillary and then overturn it?captkirk said:He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.Patentmike said:He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
If it plays out like this the dems will have accomplished nothing having control of the House for 2 years. No legislation they can point to. Only that they tried to get Trump and failed. That would pretty much return control to the Rs.
THIS!! Your first paragraph is perfect.pagerman @ work said:I think Nancy lost control of her people after the midterms, and the party as a whole has lost control of its base. They fed the TDS rage as a way to win the midterms but it created a monster that is eating the party.3 Toed Pete said:This is why I can't figure out the dems end game. A Senate trial could go very badly for numerous people involved, including schiff potentially. So they keep claiming Trump should be impeached but......then they are going to back off? Are they just going to say Trump is guilty and they would impeach but since the election is less than a year away they won't (to try to damage Trump)? And how is all of this going to look when we find out, soon, that numerous operatives were trying to throw the election for hillary and then overturn it?captkirk said:He can't do it in a Senate trial. That's why I'm convinced there will never be one.Patentmike said:He's already done it by instructing witnesses that said witness was not required to answer.MooreTrucker said:How exactly is it that Schiff can say what the R's can or cannot ask?Patentmike said:
If Vindman took the 5th when asked to whom he gave classified information, would that justify revocation of his security clearance? Is that maybe why Schiff won't let the Rs ask those questions in the hearing?
And at what point can they just say "piss off" and ask them anyway?
If it plays out like this the dems will have accomplished nothing having control of the House for 2 years. No legislation they can point to. Only that they tried to get Trump and failed. That would pretty much return control to the Rs.
The political theater going on with this "impeachment" is simply an attempt to placate their rabid, unhinged TDS consumed base, the one that is currently getting ready to start voting in primaries. The dems (and really all politicians regardless of party) in the House are scared to death of losing their seats. The dems that are in "safe" districts are worried they will get primaried or have the wingnuts single them out as not TDS/woke enough, and the new reps that came from districts that are more republican friendly are either true believers or striving to show the nutbags that elected them that they are sufficiently nutty themselves.
This is Luke and his ragtag group of rebels attacking the Death Star against all odds because they are by-Gaia on the side of right and Justice and they can't lose. Vader (Trump) is going down because that is what is supposed to happen when the good guys fight evil. And make no mistake, Trump and the republicans are evil. Not just wrong, or misguided, but existentially evil.
They (the true believers and TDS unhinged) don't have to worry about the consequences because they aren't going to miss. There won't be any consequences. They just know they've got him. This is their moment, their glorious intersectional, socialist, feminist, evil Trump-ending moment that will usher in the political nirvana of radical egalitarianism and collectivism and the end of the republicans. They aren't going to miss the shot because they are destined to make it.
Those are the people that are currently driving the bus for the dems and the passengers that don't believe they can jump the canyon are too afraid to do anything to try and stop it out of fear of what might happen to them individually, and who knows, maybe the nutballs are right. If the long shot hits, it pays out huge.
Good. Clears the way for his extradition to the U.S. Just hope he is properly guarded and doesn't get Epsteined.will25u said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-julian-assange-sweden-drops-20914501
aggiehawg said:Good. Clears the way for his extradition to the U.S. Just hope he is properly guarded and doesn't get Epsteined.will25u said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-julian-assange-sweden-drops-20914501
Put him in a safe house somewhere and debrief him thoroughly.
No, I meant a safe house that the U.S. Marshals use for people in witness protection before they are moved into their new identity and residence. I know there is one in Maryland, near a minimum security prison where Dean, Colson, Erlichman and other Watergate figures were housed. (I say "housed" because it was a Club Fed.)Quote:
A safe house like a jail cell apart from the general population on suicide watch?
more like a safe house in the mountains that no one in any law enforcement agency knows about which he is guarded by a hopefully loyal military and is interviewed via camera so know one knows where the hell he is kind of safe house.EskimoJoe said:aggiehawg said:Good. Clears the way for his extradition to the U.S. Just hope he is properly guarded and doesn't get Epsteined.will25u said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-julian-assange-sweden-drops-20914501
Put him in a safe house somewhere and debrief him thoroughly.
A safe house like a jail cell apart from the general population on suicide watch?
It didn't help with Lt. Col. Markenson.aggiehawg said:No, I meant a safe house that the U.S. Marshals use for people in witness protection before they are moved into their new identity and residence. I know there is one in Maryland, near a minimum security prison where Dean, Colson, Erlichman and other Watergate figures were housed. (I say "housed" because it was a Club Fed.)Quote:
A safe house like a jail cell apart from the general population on suicide watch?
He couldn't handle the truth!Quote:
It didn't help with Lt. Col. Markenson.
If Markenson doesn't want to be found, he won't be found.Prognightmare said:It didn't help with Lt. Col. Markenson.aggiehawg said:No, I meant a safe house that the U.S. Marshals use for people in witness protection before they are moved into their new identity and residence. I know there is one in Maryland, near a minimum security prison where Dean, Colson, Erlichman and other Watergate figures were housed. (I say "housed" because it was a Club Fed.)Quote:
A safe house like a jail cell apart from the general population on suicide watch?
