Holy crap that lady from the Virgin Islands is a beeotch!

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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So Mueller has already 86'd the other two unnamed team members that were texting bias garbage too.

That sure missed the news cycle

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Who said that?

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Ron DeSantis asked and Horowitz cinfirmed

....and Cicilline is now officially the biggest jackass of the day so far. What a freaking a-hole.

Why are these Reps here if they object to the hearing so much? My God, they are horrible.

Tailgate88 said:

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....and Cicilline is now officially the biggest jackass of the day so far. What a freaking a-hole.

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This guy is awful

He's more enjoyable than "mama, dada"

"Don't answer that, it's the President, I get it..."

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GreyhoundDad said:

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GCP12 said:

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To sum up the new info we've gotten today:

2 of the agents sending anti-Trump texts are still involved in Mueller probe.
IG is looking into the launch of the Russia probe and if it was affected by Strozk
Rosenstein held the "we'll stop it." text from Congress

Those are three of the bigger stories we've ever gotten from these open hearings.

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How is anything Mueller comes up with not tainted and thrown out by a judge? It makes no sense for Mueller to continue. It's like finishing a race after you've already been disqualified for cheating.

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I think the response to this is, "He's a Republican and he fired everyone with bias"

Of course, now we know the second portion of that is not true.

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It shouldn't matter if they have been fired. They were already around the investigation and other investigators. Even if a waiter removes a roach from my plate of food, I still don't want that food anymore.

Oh, I agree with you completely. Just giving the usual response to this from our resident libs when they drop in to this thread.

Not a smidgen.

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I knew Gowdy was getting at something there. Just had no idea what it was

I believe I heard Horowitz saying that the reason he couldn't identify those agents at this point in time is because they are counter-intel folks but he was working with DOJ on an accommodation on that.

More proof that Mueller is running a counter-intel operation and not a true criminal investigation.

Now, when Mueller was first appointed, I could see how those counter-intel folks who had been working the case under Comey would be helpful to get Mueller up to speed on what cyber efforts Russians had done to "meddle" in the 2016 election. But with the indictment of the Russian individuals and companies the assumption would be that their part was done.

One thing we haven't seen out of the Mueller investigation is an assessment and report on cyber security being improved for the upcoming midterms. Have portals or deficiencies been identified and the responsible agency addressed those? That might actually be useful, wouldn't it?

The concern here is Mueller having unfettered access to NSA material. Using that info to craft search warrants.

I'm pretty sure he'll have a portion of his findings dedicated to not running unsecured unauthorized private mail servers for government business, or using private devices and accounts for the same, right? Right?

Latest from McCarthy:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/ig-report-clinton-emails-fix-was-in/

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A detailed description of the grossly improper communications system Clinton established would have illustrated that she knew full well the risk she was running. A large percentage of the secretary of state's job involves classified matters. We are not talking merely about the exchange of documents marked classified but, more commonly, constant deliberations about sensitive intelligence in classified documents, briefings, and conversations. Clinton's willful concoction of a home-brew communications network not a harried official's occasional, exigent use of private email for official business, but her rogue institution of a private, non-government infrastructure for the systematic conduct of State Department business made the non-secure transmission and storage of classified information inevitable.

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Handel: Was there any indication as to why the language in the Comey Statement was changed from Grossly Negligent to extremely careless, and was it possible that it was changed to separate it from the language in the statute?


Horowitz: In fact we were told that was the very reason it was taken out, to take it from the criminal statute to outside the statute!


Handel: When I read your a report the decision to not prosecute was made before her interview, did I read this right?


Horowitz: What we were told, absent a confession or false statement they would close the investigation right after the interview

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Hansen: Was there any indication as to why the language in the Comey Statement from Grossly Negligent to extremely careless, and was it possible that it was changed to separate it from the language in the statute?


Horowitz: In fact we were told that was the very reason it was taken out, to take it from the criminal statute to outside the statute!


Hansen: When I read your a report the decision to not prosecute was made before her interview, did I read this right?


Horowitz: What we were told, absent a confession of false statement they would close the investigation right after the interview

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LOL

**** everything

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I can't find that scenario described in the report, or haven't yet, I will have to go back through that again.

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I still don't see how he could tell us all this stuff, and then say - even with qualifiers - no bias involved in the decision not to prosecute.

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My thoughts exactly. That part is puzzling.

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I still don't see how he could tell us all this stuff, and then say - even with qualifiers - no bias involved in the decision not to prosecute.

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I don't know the statute(if there is one) for bias or whatever, but I assume it would take a text that says, "I hate Trump. I will prosecute him based on false evidence, because I hate him. I love Hillary. I will let her off even though she committed crimes. I am only letting her off, because I love her." for Horowitz to actually claim bias "affected" the outcome.

But, if I understand it correctly, this is very similar to Comey/Lynch in the Clinton investigation. Comey is supposed to investigate and present his findings to the DOJ. DOJ chooses whether or not to prosecute.

Horowitz is only supposed to present his findings to the DOJ/FBI. They are supposed to decide what to do from there.

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Handel: Was there any indication as to why the language in the Comey Statement was changed from Grossly Negligent to extremely careless, and was it possible that it was changed to separate it from the language in the statute?


Horowitz: In fact we were told that was the very reason it was taken out, to take it from the criminal statute to outside the statute!


Handel: When I read your a report the decision to not prosecute was made before her interview, did I read this right?


Horowitz: What we were told, absent a confession or false statement they would close the investigation right after the interview

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Just went back and watched this portion. Holy ****

Calling Rocag, if you're seeing this... Thoughts?

Poooooooor Strzok:

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I still don't see how he could tell us all this stuff, and then say - even with qualifiers - no bias involved in the decision not to prosecute.

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I don't think Horowitz has said that. The author of the summary stated that. Horowitz testified his job was to bring the facts to light, not interpret a motive as that is not his charge.

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Yesterday, at least, he said "we..." when talking about whether evidence was found that political bias impacted the decision to prosecute.

So he's including himself

Well at least he's going through the review process that can lead to his termination, same as McCabe did.

An actual frog march or just sent home?

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Handel: Was there any indication as to why the language in the Comey Statement was changed from Grossly Negligent to extremely careless, and was it possible that it was changed to separate it from the language in the statute?


Horowitz: In fact we were told that was the very reason it was taken out, to take it from the criminal statute to outside the statute!


Handel: When I read your a report the decision to not prosecute was made before her interview, did I read this right?


Horowitz: What we were told, absent a confession or false statement they would close the investigation right after the interview

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Just went back and watched this portion. Holy ****

Calling Rocag, if you're seeing this... Thoughts?

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Horowitz caught Comey using private email. I would not be surprised if the rest of the Deep State does too. That's probably another big reason why they didn't want to make it criminal.

Practically everyone involved in this investigation was caught using private email to conduct gov business. It is in the IG report. Can't find the tweet, but I posted it in here and another thread or two the day the report came out.

FWIW, I believe Horowitz state in the report "documentary evidence of bias".

As usual, the last Stzok-Page e-mail came THE DAY of the OIG report, so that one doesn't count.

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An actual frog march or just sent home?

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Unclear. But I doubt he was handcuffed. Just escorted out of the door, hopefully with his personal belongings in a box, involuntary administrative leave or some sort. He's probably been sitting in a cubicle without a computer or phone down in the basement under the HR department for the last six months anyway.