looks like what I expected is correct. The judges ruled on the record in front of them. Have you presented evidence to meet the standard for a FISA warrant? Evidence says yes, so off you go.GCP12 said:
Sent goodlatte to the executive branch, as well.
He worked for the RNC as a money bundler and he worked for Manafort.Fido04 said:
Gates was the deputy campaign chair and stayed with the campaign for a time even after Manafort left. Do you think that is fake?
93MarineHorn said:I'm sorry, but we keep getting the same refrain from FBI folks. "It's BS" is not an acceptable argument given all that has been exposed. What about it is "BS"? Because it sure looks bad, really bad. So please, please explain to us peasants how this can all be explained away. Oh, you won't explain it. We're just supposed to trust the people who are being exposed as corrupt that they really aren't corrupt? That they have the gall to act offended that they're being questioned about it is so damn insulting.Quote:
He thought it was all BS and that they don't work the way we were being led to believe. It sounded like he might have worked really closely with foreign surveillance because he said that was his group.
If he flips on Manafort he will have signed is death warrant. Manafort ain't no choir boy and knows active operators that do wetwork that likely owe him a favor.Rockdoc said:
If it's a problem, sounds like it's Manaforts problem.
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Sounds like it's race. Mueller trying to get out in front of the IG report. We know he buried why he fired Pete the Cheat and supposedly he even took some texts and won't release them. Sounds like he knows the **** is going to hit the fan.
Him releasing all these text messages is pretty telling. An investigator would never release his best stuff, the texts were just icing for the cake....Rockdoc said:
Now why are we so sure of what the IG report is going to be? Have there been some preview leaks coming out? Just asking (nervous expectations)
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...The Legislative Branch created the FISA Court system; however, the secret court resides in the Judicial Branch. Judge Collyer is taking both requests under consideration and asks both Chairman to consider seeking relief from the Executive Branch with requests directly to the DOJ for the majority of the information they seek.
However, there is an underlying issue not being discussed within the communication yet visible in the corner amid their engagement. That issue is the possibility the DOJ may have modified the FISA documents within its possession in an effort to hide from congress the trail of a conspiracy against a presidential candidate and an incoming administration.
In essence, the FISA documents held by the court *may not be* identical to the FISA documents released by the Department of Justice. Chairman Goodlatte is seeking to rule out that possibility.
No one has ever made such requests before to the FISA Court. There potentially are constitutional issues involved. She is saying the DOJ is the proper channel to follow to request the documents...but if the DOJ refuses to give Congress the documents, then I believe she will reconsider because then the constitutional issues must be addressed. Also I suspect that when Godlatte receives the documents he requested, assuming the DOJ cooperates, then he will share them with Collyer to check for accuracy.stetson said:
This makes perfect sense to me. It's within her authority to release, so why else be so obtuse about it?
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The NYT, WaPo, and several other news outlets independently reported it.
And a Correction was printed by the NYT June 20, 2017, where they admitted the fake news that Gates worked on the campaign and the transition team, and stated he worked for the RNC as a money bundler. The only reason Manafort was ever part of the Trump team at all, was to wrangle delegates for the RNC. Manafort was purged right after Trump accepted the nomination, and Gates remained with the RNC as a money bundler.stetson said:Quote:
The NYT, WaPo, and several other news outlets independently reported it.
Serious question. Have you been in a coma, stranded on a deserted island, kidnapped and held chained in a basement or as a political prisoner in NK for the past year and a half??
RoscoePColtrane said:And a Correction was printed by the NYT June 20, 2017, where they admitted the fake news that Gates worked on the campaign and the transition team, and stated he worked for the RNC as a money bundler. The only reason Manafort was ever part of the Trump team at all, was to wrangle delegates for the RNC. Manafort was purged right after Trump accepted the nomination, and Gates remained with the RNC as a money bundler.stetson said:Quote:
The NYT, WaPo, and several other news outlets independently reported it.
Serious question. Have you been in a coma, stranded on a deserted island, kidnapped and held chained in a basement or as a political prisoner in NK for the past year and a half??
These trolls game is really getting weak
Don't go away! It is just starting to get great! Plenty more coming.Rockdoc said:
Well this thread lasted longer and than I thought it would anyway. It was great.
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The charges against Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates center on a series of criminal allegations related to their lobbying for a pro-Russia government of Ukraine, not to Mr. Trump or the campaign. It is widely believed that Mr. Mueller is hoping to pressure Mr. Manafort into providing information about the central subject of his investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/special-counsel-indictments.html?_r=0Quote:
The twelve-count indictment charges the two men with conspiracy against the United States, making false statements, money laundering, and failing to register as foreign agents for Ukraine as required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act. The charges arise from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.
Rockdoc said:
Well this thread lasted longer and than I thought it would anyway. It was great.
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General Flynn Should WITHDRAW His Guilty Plea. His New Judge Is A Government Misconduct Expert
...people who are innocent enter guilty pleas every day. They simply can no longer withstand the unimaginable stress of a criminal investigation. They and their families suffer sheer exhaustion in every form financial, physical, mental, and emotional. Add in a little prosecutorial duress like the threat of indicting your son and, presto, there's a guilty plea.
...Emmet G. Sullivan is one judge who is ready, willing and able to hold Mr. Mueller accountable to the law and who has the wherewithal to dismiss the case against General Flynn for egregious government misconduct if Mueller doesn't move to dismiss it himself.
Judge Sullivan's experience can only help General Flynn as more evidence appears every day to reveal that Flynn should not have been prosecuted. James Comey testified to Congress that the agents who interviewed Flynn including the hopelessly compromised Peter Strzok thought Flynn was telling the truth. The entire FISA warrant application becomes more problematic by the day....
Since Flynn entered his guilty plea, we've learned that information Mr. Comey leaked deliberately to "trigger" Robert Mueller's entire investigation was classified. Also, FBI agents Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe were working on an "insurance policy" to protect the country against a Trump presidency. It seems plausible that this "insurance policy" included the appointment of a special prosecutor.
Indeed, the bases for throwing out everything Robert Mueller has touched grow exponentially as more truth finds sunlight.
Judge Sullivan is the country's premiere jurist experienced in the abuses of our Department of Justice. He knows a cover-up when he sees one....
It was the Andersen conviction and it wasn't just overturned by the SC, it was obliterated (9-0).Quote:
Weissmann, terrorized an individual into a guilty plea that was later reversed by the Supreme Court.
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What the Merrill defense attorneys did not know during trial was this: There were favorable witness statements that the prosecution withheld.
In 2010, Justice began releasing confidential Enron task force documents. They showed that Mr. Weissmann's team provided misleading summaries at trial of raw witness statements to the FBI and to the grand jury.
