any answer regarding that guy's reaction is plausible. After a career at an agency it could very reasonably trigger a cognitive dissonance type of response to that sort of wrongdoing. It who knows.FriscoKid said:
Talked with a retired FBI guy from my church last night. He was pretty far up and a life long agent. He knew Muller on a first name basis. Of course, he didn't say much in detail. But, he seemed upset with what the media was saying about that FISA warrant. He thought it was all BS and that they don't work the way we were being led to believe. It sounded like he might have worked really closely with foreign surveillance because he said that was his group. Not really close to the guy and I didn't have time for a long chat.
I know, "unnamed sources", but it caused me to pause for a bit.
Is he right, is he just a dem, is he just a loyal agent that can't believe the corruption happened, etc?
Seems like there is some pretty damning evidence already out there.
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You might be right. The media doesn't realize they are biased either.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
People can believe they are in the right without being in the right from the perspective of others. They can convince themselves their intent is honorable even when their means and motives appear less so to a neutral observer.
blindey said:any answer regarding that guy's reaction is plausible. After a career at an agency it could very reasonably trigger a cognitive dissonance type of response to that sort of wrongdoing. It who knows.FriscoKid said:
Talked with a retired FBI guy from my church last night. He was pretty far up and a life long agent. He knew Muller on a first name basis. Of course, he didn't say much in detail. But, he seemed upset with what the media was saying about that FISA warrant. He thought it was all BS and that they don't work the way we were being led to believe. It sounded like he might have worked really closely with foreign surveillance because he said that was his group. Not really close to the guy and I didn't have time for a long chat.
I know, "unnamed sources", but it caused me to pause for a bit.
Is he right, is he just a dem, is he just a loyal agent that can't believe the corruption happened, etc?
Seems like there is some pretty damning evidence already out there.
It could be this agent is thinking of how things are 'supposed' to be done and thinks too hightly of those involved to believe they broke the law so blatantly.
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Completely plausible. That's what makes all of this so tricky. The "good" career people in the department can't see the bad or won't see the bad or some other thing going on.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456435/rice-email-reveals-plan-dont-tell-trump-hes-being-investigated
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What Did Comey Tell President Trump about the Steele Dossier?
The Rice email outlines Obama's strategy to withhold key details of the Russia investigation.
....An email written on January 21 to record decisions made on January 5 is not written to memorialize what was decided. It is written to revise the memory of what was decided in order to rationalize what was then done.
This is Andrew McCarthy at his finest. You must read it. He has concluded, while supplying details of which I was totally unaware, that the meeting mentioned in Rice's infamous e-mail to herself was all about how they were not going to inform Trump he was under investigation...an elaborate plan so that the FISA warrant investigation could proceed without Trump shutting it down...until hopefully they could uncover the necessary evidence to out him. It's a fascinating read.
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
Smart move.
After seeing what Obama and his weaponized DOJ/FBI were willing to do in order to find any possible dirt on Trump wouldn't you proceed with EXTREME caution? Oh wait, no, it just means that meanie Trump is guilty.etcetera said:
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
I'm sorry, but we keep getting the same refrain from FBI folks. "It's BS" is not an acceptable argument given all that has been exposed. What about it is "BS"? Because it sure looks bad, really bad. So please, please explain to us peasants how this can all be explained away. Oh, you won't explain it. We're just supposed to trust the people who are being exposed as corrupt that they really aren't corrupt? That they have the gall to act offended that they're being questioned about it is so damn insulting.Quote:
He thought it was all BS and that they don't work the way we were being led to believe. It sounded like he might have worked really closely with foreign surveillance because he said that was his group.
Wow did I get A Few Good Men vibe with that Obama meeting...it was like Lt. Kendrick ordering Dawson and Downey to give Trump...err Santiago a Code Red.drcrinum said:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456435/rice-email-reveals-plan-dont-tell-trump-hes-being-investigatedQuote:
What Did Comey Tell President Trump about the Steele Dossier?
The Rice email outlines Obama's strategy to withhold key details of the Russia investigation.
....An email written on January 21 to record decisions made on January 5 is not written to memorialize what was decided. It is written to revise the memory of what was decided in order to rationalize what was then done.
This is Andrew McCarthy at his finest. You must read it. He has concluded, while supplying details of which I was totally unaware, that the meeting mentioned in Rice's infamous e-mail to herself was all about how they were not going to inform Trump he was under investigation...an elaborate plan so that the FISA warrant investigation could proceed without Trump shutting it down...until hopefully they could uncover the necessary evidence to out him. It's a fascinating read.
I just hope Lt. Kaffee...err Horowitz has concrete, actionable evidence in that OIG report. It better not be foot lockers and phone bills because there's no way Jessep err Obama is going to take the stand.
Practically every damn day, as more and more largely arbitrary redactions are pried away kicking and screaming from documents that were deliberately hidden from public view in the first place by endless stonewalling, the venality of their true motivations and that of their cohort's actions becomes more evident. The swamp is covering for each other hiding behind the ****ing guise of national security, when all it is, is that they are hiding their dirty laundry not protecting the nation. This sort of crap has got to be addressed.
And the ramifications of these unmaskings (note the word) will be more extensive than expected and will reach into every aspect of our culture, even to the last lines of Swamp's defense the media, entertainment and education. The results won't go in a straight line, I'm no statistical expert, but they rarely do. And there will always those who remain true believers, no matter what. That's what true believers do. Their defenders will also become increasingly shrill, as the wagons continue to circle. But the Swampers and I strongly suspect many of them are starting to realize it (hence that shrillness) are headed for a world of hurt. If they chose to die on that hill so be it, but they have to go, democrat, republican, indy, whatever, if you're the swamp it's time to clean out your ****ing desk.
And the ramifications of these unmaskings (note the word) will be more extensive than expected and will reach into every aspect of our culture, even to the last lines of Swamp's defense the media, entertainment and education. The results won't go in a straight line, I'm no statistical expert, but they rarely do. And there will always those who remain true believers, no matter what. That's what true believers do. Their defenders will also become increasingly shrill, as the wagons continue to circle. But the Swampers and I strongly suspect many of them are starting to realize it (hence that shrillness) are headed for a world of hurt. If they chose to die on that hill so be it, but they have to go, democrat, republican, indy, whatever, if you're the swamp it's time to clean out your ****ing desk.
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****...that means 20 hours without a drink for Bannon, that's probably worse than water boarding for him.
20 hours is nothing but looking for another process crime.GCP12 said:etcetera said:
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
That's Mueller trying to get around Executive Privilege. (If Bannon was instructed to assert Executive Privilege in testimony before Congress, it is natural to assume it was also asserted with regard to Mueller.)Rapier108 said:20 hours is nothing but looking for another process.GCP12 said:etcetera said:
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
Anything that supposedly happened before the election would be excluded from the assertion of Executive Privilege, i.e. during the campaign.
Why wouldn't someone like Bannon just answer "I can't remember" to every single question?aggiehawg said:That's Mueller trying to get around Executive Privilege. (If Bannon was instructed to assert Executive Privilege in testimony before Congress, it is natural to assume it was also asserted with regard to Mueller.)Rapier108 said:20 hours is nothing but looking for another process.GCP12 said:etcetera said:
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
Anything that supposedly happened before the election would be excluded from the assertion of Executive Privilege, i.e. during the campaign.
The greatest argument ever made against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
Because it wouldn't work for long. Bannon is a loud mouth. Just need a few of his friends to testify what all he has told them to press a perjury charge for subsequently claiming he can't remember.jjeffers1 said:Why wouldn't someone like Bannon just answer "I can't remember" to every single question?aggiehawg said:That's Mueller trying to get around Executive Privilege. (If Bannon was instructed to assert Executive Privilege in testimony before Congress, it is natural to assume it was also asserted with regard to Mueller.)Rapier108 said:20 hours is nothing but looking for another process.GCP12 said:etcetera said:
Interesting development at today's HIC hearing. Bannon refused to answer any questions not preapproved by WH after WH sent letter asserting that executive privilege covers the transition period between election day in early November and Inauguration.
Anything that supposedly happened before the election would be excluded from the assertion of Executive Privilege, i.e. during the campaign.
I was being deposed one time and the subject matter involved attorney-client privilege. The lawyer questioning spen and hour rephrasing his question coming at me from every angle and I had to ask my attorney if I could answer a few of them. He of course said no and his instruction to me went into the record ( to protect me from possible contempt of court proceedings later on.) I clearly knew the answer to the question but was refusing to answer it.
Bannon would likely have a whole host of issues that would fall under Executive Privilege. I can easily see him being grilled for 20 hours over several days trying to get around those assertions.
Hawg, is it considered impolite, or disrespectful to fall asleep during a deposition?
Damn, if it went that long, I'd even try to snore, or at least drool on the other attorney!
Damn, if it went that long, I'd even try to snore, or at least drool on the other attorney!
If you are the one being deposed, it is.fasthorses05 said:
Hawg, is it considered impolite, or disrespectful to fall asleep during a deposition?
Damn, if it went that long, I'd even try to snore, or at least drool on the other attorney!
But I'm assuming the twenty hours were over a few days. My deposition totaled 40 hours but it was over six different days.
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Good read
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/media-stopped-reporting-russia-collusion-story-helped-create/Quote:
The Media Stopped Reporting The Russia Collusion Story Because They Helped Create It
The press has played an active role in the Trump-Russia collusion story since its inception. It helped birth it.
Half the country wants to know why the press won't cover the growing scandal now implicating the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice, and threatening to reach the State Department, Central Intelligence Agency, and perhaps even the Obama White House.
After all, the release last week of a less-redacted version of Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham's January 4 letter showed that the FBI secured a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to search the communications of a Trump campaign adviser based on a piece of opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The Fourth Amendment rights of an American citizen were violated to allow one political party to spy on another.
If the press did its job and reported the facts, the argument goes, then it wouldn't just be Republicans and Trump supporters demanding accountability and justice. Americans across the political spectrum would understand the nature and extent of the abuses and crimes touching not just on one political party and its presidential candidate but the rights of every American.
That's all true, but irrelevant. The reasons the press won't cover the story are suggested in the Graham-Grassley letter itself.
Better than good. Really lays out the echo chamber nature of the entire deal and how political biases clearly came into play. Must read for everyone.
Robyn Gritz said the same this basically in the weekend podcast. Severe house cleaning. Thing about the IG he can't prosecute but when it comes to anything administrative, he's got the hammer.GCP12 said:
Grain of salt and all that
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Sorry, but you're completely FOS when it comes to the media coverage of the grassley memo.
She's just buying time....probably doing her hair. Lol jk.
I did find it interesting she said the DOJ should have the docs and she didn't object to the DOJ providing the docs to congress.
The greatest argument ever made against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
"Ram Rod" Rosenstein probably isn't in a hurry to out himself on everything. Hopefully the judge just threw him under the bus PUBLICLY if he did sign off on that FISA app. Keeps her in the clear, also.
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