Veselnitskaya was granted a B-status nonimmigrant visa in July 2016 ... the same month she met with Trump Jr.drcrinum said:
Looks like the House Intel Comm has finally figured out that the Trump Jr -- Manafort -- Kushner Tower meeting with the Russian attorney was a setup.
Y'all, I agree all of the above could have happened, and even suspect it did, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of digging from people who have the authority to do so. Plus someone with knowledge of the entire thing is going to have to turn, which will be difficult to do.benchmark said:Veselnitskaya was granted a B-status nonimmigrant visa in July 2016 ... the same month she met with Trump Jr.drcrinum said:
Looks like the House Intel Comm has finally figured out that the Trump Jr -- Manafort -- Kushner Tower meeting with the Russian attorney was a setup.
Isn't this just a normal business visa ... if so, why is Lynch accused of a set up?
Where are you getting this "B-status nonimmigration visa" for July 2016? Source?benchmark said:Veselnitskaya was granted a B-status nonimmigrant visa in July 2016 ... the same month she met with Trump Jr.drcrinum said:
Looks like the House Intel Comm has finally figured out that the Trump Jr -- Manafort -- Kushner Tower meeting with the Russian attorney was a setup.
Isn't this just a normal business visa ... if so, why is Lynch accused of a set up?
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The U.S. Attorney's office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.
Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Trump Jr. and the events in Washington.
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Where are you getting this "B-status nonimmigration visa" for July 2016? Source?
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Homeland said Veselnitskaya first got her immigration parole letter on Sept. 25, 2015 and it was last used in February 2016.
In June 2016, Homeland said Veselnitskaya was granted a B-status nonimmigrant visa so she could conduct her legal work in the country.
It is what it isblindey said:
It's super redacted.
Tired of reading opinions and rumors, and unnamed sources. I prefer hard documentsBenFiasco14 said:
The ****?
when did this come out?RoscoePColtrane said:
Top Secret FISA Court Order - President Obama Spying on Political Enemies
https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies
I've known about it since Mayreb, said:when did this come out?RoscoePColtrane said:
Top Secret FISA Court Order - President Obama Spying on Political Enemies
https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies
but i presume this is a result of a FOIA, did it come out as a result of a FOIA in may or just recentlyRoscoePColtrane said:I've known about it since Mayreb, said:when did this come out?RoscoePColtrane said:
Top Secret FISA Court Order - President Obama Spying on Political Enemies
https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies
Saw that yesterday but am not at home, so difficult to post. Here is an article detailing the significance of Graham's statements:GCP12 said:
Hmmm... What could Mr Graham be alluding to?
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Senator Lindsey Graham just confirmed the sketchy Steele Dossier was used to get the wiretap and surveillance warrant from the FISA court. Brian Kilmead understood what he was hearing was serious, but didn't quite catch the specific gravity of it.
This is critical and important because the specific use of the Steele Dossier underpins the BIG UGLY and exposes the entire top-tier apparatus of the FBI Counterintelligence Division (Peter Strzok, Bill Priestap, James Baker, Andrew McCabe) and the DOJ National Security Division (John Carlin, Stuart Evans, Mary McCord and Sally Yates), as well as DOJ Bruce Ohr and FBI lawyer Lisa Page directly to "conspiracy" charges.
The 2016 FBI counterintelligence operation was surveillance on the Trump Campaign and was thinly disguised under the fraudulent auspices of a FISA warrant, sold as a defense of U.S. democracy from Russia, which permitted the wiretaps and surveillance etc.
The DOJ involvement surrounds legal arguments, processing of FISA applications, and use of the legal system to support the FBI operation with actionable legal framing (against Trump). The DOJ National Security Division carried out that collaboration with the FBI.
IMHO, it's not looking good for the FBI and DOJ. The reputation of institutions are at stake and I don't see how they can keep the lid on it for very much longer.drcrinum said:
Not looking good for Fusion GPS.
When there's a Democrat involved, the rush to judgment slows to a crawl.whatthehey78 said:
We all know the 'wheels of govt.' turn slowly, but what I can't fathom is why these investigations are more than a year 'down the road' and thus far we have two trapped liars, two purported $ launderers and zero Russian colluders or WH obstructionists. Is it (corruption) so complicated, so convoluted, so deep and/or so many involved that the FBI, DOJ, IG and a hand-picked SC team headed by former FBI Dir. cannot get to the truth and either prosecute or pack up and go home? Do we have a Justice System and is it "just" or not???
I'll hang up and listen.
Why is the more pertinent question. Yes, I understand the distaste for appearing to use political power to punish former opposition party members but not when it is clear that some very serious and possible treasonous* crimes were committed.Quote:
IMHO, it's not looking good for the FBI and DOJ. The reputation of institutions are at stake and I don't see how they can keep the lid on it for very much longer.
You mean Snowden?RoscoePColtrane said:
They all were banking on Hillary being elected and all of this going to the catacombs below the state department never to be seen for 50 years. The wheels are slowly falling off and the bureaucratic underlings are fighting for their dear life. Problem is there are those in power now that are going to stand fast on trying to suppress this, claiming it would be in the better interest of the country not to let this get out. Claiming national embarrassment, and breach of national security. The whole Stodden thing where he exposed the NSA and all their abilities to spy on everything you do is still causing ripples in the IC. Don't get me wrong, what Stodden did was treasonist, however he did expose the beast big brother really is. It's good thing it has the rules of 702 surveillance in question and being looked at more closely, and not just a rubber stamped issue that keeps getting pushed through with zero oversight.
Correctaggiehawg said:You mean Snowden?RoscoePColtrane said:
They all were banking on Hillary being elected and all of this going to the catacombs below the state department never to be seen for 50 years. The wheels are slowly falling off and the bureaucratic underlings are fighting for their dear life. Problem is there are those in power now that are going to stand fast on trying to suppress this, claiming it would be in the better interest of the country not to let this get out. Claiming national embarrassment, and breach of national security. The whole Stodden thing where he exposed the NSA and all their abilities to spy on everything you do is still causing ripples in the IC. Don't get me wrong, what Stodden did was treasonist, however he did expose the beast big brother really is. It's good thing it has the rules of 702 surveillance in question and being looked at more closely, and not just a rubber stamped issue that keeps getting pushed through with zero oversight.
I've been combing through piles of FOIA stuff, and it is just beyond belief how far in the tank they are. Spent most of my 65 years of life believing in the system, and relying on the fact that I could have hope that "Justice would prevail" what a lame cliche that turned out to be. Spent my life fighting bad guys wearing rose colored glasses. Just sad....aggiehawg said:
That's okay. I have brain farts on occasion too. And there are so many names to remember from so many scandals at this point, it's trying to remember all of them.
Their "suppressing this" and "not letting this get out" seems to be rapidly falling out of their control. Again, I don't think they can keep this from the public domain and from forever soiling the public's opinion of the Justice System very much longer.RoscoePColtrane said:
They all were banking on Hillary being elected and all of this going to the catacombs below the state department never to be seen for 50 years. The wheels are slowly falling off and the bureaucratic underlings are fighting for their dear life. Problem is there are those in power now that are going to stand fast on trying to suppress this, claiming it would be in the better interest of the country not to let this get out. Claiming national embarrassment, and breach of national security. The whole Snowden thing where he exposed the NSA and all their abilities to spy on everything you do is still causing ripples in the IC. Don't get me wrong, what Snowden did was treasonist, however he did expose the beast big brother really is. It's good thing it has the rules of 702 surveillance in question and being looked at more closely, and not just a rubber stamped issue that keeps getting pushed through with zero oversight.
Edited for brain fart
We are about the same age. I too was recruited by the CIA during law school but didn't want to move to DC. The FBI, CIA and JAG Corps were very visible in on-campus recruiting back then.Quote:
When I graduated (long time ago), I was recruited by the CIA but actually wanted to be a member of the FBI. Had a friend who was and regularly watched the old TV series. Today, my image/opinion of both are not what they used to be and that saddens me.
