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Whitetail said:

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3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?

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Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.

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Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists

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Blueprint? Come on. ISIS is 20 steps ahead of the average Joe when it comes to creating ways to kill people/terrorize. If you think that ISIS hasn't thought of doing this for years then frankly I'm not sure what to tell you.

Whitetail said:

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3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?

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Is there a link to this? Just catching up.

Brock Landers said:

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Anyone who even entertains the idea that he was a secret FBI gun runner for ISIS should be banned from the internet for sheer stupidity.

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I agree but what feeds it are pictures of US senators with the very leadership of ISIS. I don't think we went in a long con with Isis on our soil with this president. I do think this guy is "sticky". I can only guess what his relationship is with government, mafia, cartels, etc. Regardless, he has just enough on him to make this difficult for the fbi. Usually the give a list of items retrieved at his home that they are processing for evidence. Have they said they found his computer? Or did this guy not even have one?

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Do people here actually think government sanctioned "gun runners" buy guns 1-2 at a time at retail stores around town?

His purchases are on the books in his own name. He tried and apparently failed to acquire tracer rounds. He was using bump stocks, not some kind of legit machinegun, etc etc. He doesn't appear to have had a single weapon that wasn't purchased in his own name or was illegal, or even hard to get.

If he was used to dealing with weapons buying/selling on any significant scale he sure as heck didn't show it.

I mean honestly, some of these theories are just moronic.


You want a gun runner? Here is a gun runner:



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3092362/shocking-police-pictures-reveal-10000-weapon-arsenal-intended-for-the-hands-of-terrorists-including-howitzers-machine-guns-and-grenades/

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I have thought about this angle since it happened and tend to agree with you. My concern though is the "records" have been altered to fit the story or he was given money to buy guns (legally in his name) then sell those guns on the black market and keep the money (as payment for off the books services.)

How do you 'try and fail to buy tracer ammo?' Is the law different in NV? I could go to cabelas right now and get some.

The only person that any of this made sense to was Paddock. If certain elements don't make sense to you or me, that should actually be reassuring. It means that we don't have any experience planning or carrying out massacres.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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How do you 'try and fail to buy tracer ammo?' Is the law different in NV? I could go to cabelas right now and get some.

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You don't. It's just a false story that is being reported as fact to continue to build the narrative of a lone wolf poker playing killer. Just like the story about the fuel tanks.

Brock Landers said:

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Anyone who even entertains the idea that he was a secret FBI gun runner for ISIS should be banned from the internet for sheer stupidity.

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Not saying you are not right. But then again the official word wants us all to believe Seth Rich died in a mugging gone wrong.

So crazy ISIS gun runner funded by American assassin network is pretty far out there, but there are some pretty puzzling holes in the story so far. Occams Razor makes sense. Psychopath snapped, planned out, and committed mass murder. No real rhyme or reason because insanity by definition goes against the norm.

Then we have the Seth Rich style of story.

Both types exist and as easy as it can be to dismiss some conspiracy theory.....it also isn't TOO incredibly hard for me to imagine one either. One that falls somewhere in the middle of the official word and the extreme edge of conspiracy.

I guess we shall see.

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Brock Landers said:

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Anyone who even entertains the idea that he was a secret FBI gun runner for ISIS should be banned from the internet for sheer stupidity.

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I agree but what feeds it are pictures of US senators with the very leadership of ISIS. I don't think we went in a long con with Isis on our soil with this president. I do think this guy is "sticky". I can only guess what his relationship is with government, mafia, cartels, etc. Regardless, he has just enough on him to make this difficult for the fbi. Usually the give a list of items retrieved at his home that they are processing for evidence. Have they said they found his computer? Or did this guy not even have one?

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If you are talking about McCain, this is a hoax. Untrue.

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This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.

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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.

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To answer the last sentence it lasts only nine minutes because he was probably dead.

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I doubt a gun deal is made on the 32nd floor of a high profile vegas strip hotel. You have to smuggle everything up just smuggle everything down. Not likely. But I suspect he was involved in illegal activities. Possibly money laundering. Is the casino in on the laundering scheme??

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I don't know, maybe a giant Vegas hotel was the lowest profile and least watched place they could think of in NV.

I mean are there any areas nearby that anyone can think of where there aren't tens of thousands of people and many hundreds of security cameras? ... like you know... literally anywhere else in a 100 mile radius?

...as for the casino being in on laundering money, why? Owning a Vegas casino is already about as close as you can get to printing money totally legally.

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Eliminatus said:

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Brock Landers said:

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Anyone who even entertains the idea that he was a secret FBI gun runner for ISIS should be banned from the internet for sheer stupidity.

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Not saying you are not right. But then again the official word wants us all to believe Seth Rich died in a mugging gone wrong.

So crazy ISIS gun runner funded by American assassin network is pretty far out there, but there are some pretty puzzling holes in the story so far. Occams Razor makes sense. Psychopath snapped, planned out, and committed mass murder. No real rhyme or reason because insanity by definition goes against the norm.

Then we have the Seth Rich style of story.

Both types exist and as easy as it can be to dismiss some conspiracy theory.....it also isn't TOO incredibly hard for me to imagine one either. One that falls somewhere in the middle of the official word and the extreme edge of conspiracy.

I guess we shall see.

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The issue here is that people are leaping from "parts of this don't make sense and there are big gaps in our understanding," to "OMG! There must be a giant conspiracy with 300 different people involved and it goes straight to the top!"


How is it that people who are so adept at spotting every little inconsistency with the admittedly incomplete story as we know it are utterly incapable of spotting the giant giant holes in their idiotic theories?


"We don't know exactly how the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids" somehow turns into "OMG, Aliens! "

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I have two possible theories on this:

1) it'makes it easier to cope with the fear of this type of event to think that it took some widespread effort of the government to pull it off, rather than the idea that some whack job - at any moment - could twist off and shoot hundreds of people.

2) some folks just aren't very bright

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GCP12 said:

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Whitetail said:

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This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.

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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.

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To answer the last sentence it lasts only nine minutes because he was probably dead.

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I know this. So why did he shoot himself? Brings an entire arsenal, sets up this elaborate plan and chickens out 9 minutes in? If he's just some psycho, that doesn't add up.

I am in DC and was at Quantico yesterday for my brothers graduation. I am trying to do my part and get him to find out info because you know...................Texags knows things

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Whitetail said:

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3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?

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Is there a link to this? Just catching up.

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The arrests were made in 2016 but the details were just released.

Brock Landers said:

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Fizban said:

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How is it that people who are so adept at spotting every little inconsistency with the admittedly incomplete story as we know it are utterly incapable of spotting the giant giant holes in their idiotic theories?


"We don't know exactly how the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids" somehow turns into "OMG, Aliens! "

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I have two possible theories on this:

1) it'makes it easier to cope with the fear of this type of event to think that it took some widespread effort of the government to pull it off, rather than the idea that some whack job - at any moment - could twist off and shoot hundreds of people.

2) some folks just aren't very bright

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And some others (ahem) simply have fun stirring the pot. lol.

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agsalaska said:

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This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.

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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.

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To answer the last sentence it lasts only nine minutes because he was probably dead.

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I know this. So why did he shoot himself? Brings an entire arsenal, sets up this elaborate plan and chickens out 9 minutes in? If he's just some psycho, that doesn't add up.

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What if the crowd disbursed enough so there were no longer easy targets to mow down. He takes two shots at the fuel tanks thinking they would explode, and redirect the crowd back to him or at least give him fire dept and 1st responders to shoot at. The tanks didn't blow up because it's not a movie, security was at his door, and he figured it was the end of the road?

Fizban said:

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"We don't know exactly how the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids" somehow turns into "OMG, Aliens! "

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Now you're on the right track....


But seriously, yeah. This thread has gotten a little off the rails. Some theories are still plausible, but others not so much.

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This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.

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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.

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To answer the last sentence it lasts only nine minutes because he was probably dead.

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I know this. So why did he shoot himself? Brings an entire arsenal, sets up this elaborate plan and chickens out 9 minutes in? If he's just some psycho, that doesn't add up.

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It perfectly adds up. It's been mentioned over and over in this thread. It is very common for a crazed gunman to kill himself at the first sign of resistance. They feel control slipping away and end it.

I would want to see the returns before believing one word of what journalists report about his gambling income. When it comes to financials, accounting, taxes, etc, journalists absolutely SUCK at understanding what they have been told or are looking at. The absolute worst. Most financial stories are ridiculously inaccurate when you know details of what really happened.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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How do you 'try and fail to buy tracer ammo?' Is the law different in NV? I could go to cabelas right now and get some.

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You don't. It's just a false story that is being reported as fact to continue to build the narrative of a lone wolf poker playing killer. Just like the story about the fuel tanks.

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He couldn't buy them because they didn't have any to sell, not because he was prevented from buying them.

Ya. I don't think he wanted to take the slightest risk of being taken alive.

GCP12 said:

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This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.

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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.

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To answer the last sentence it lasts only nine minutes because he was probably dead.

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I know this. So why did he shoot himself? Brings an entire arsenal, sets up this elaborate plan and chickens out 9 minutes in? If he's just some psycho, that doesn't add up.

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Perhaps he had a brief moment of lucidity, really saw what he'd done, and in a fit of despair and conscience decided he deserved to die?

Except it's a poster claiming it with no link

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I doubt a gun deal is made on the 32nd floor of a high profile vegas strip hotel. You have to smuggle everything up just smuggle everything down. Not likely. But I suspect he was involved in illegal activities. Possibly money laundering. Is the casino in on the laundering scheme??

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Probably much more likely someone or someones with connections to people in government were involved in illegal activities than the casino. The casino already has a license to steal, and it's legal.

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I think there's a gun deal or sting gone wrong here. We've heard there were 47 guns in the room. Why have we only seen pics do 4, maybe 5 of those guns? Could it be that the rest were nicely packed in a case for convenient transport or display?

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Every report has said 21 or 23 (I think 23 is the latter figure) in the hotel room; the rest at his home, unless there is a new report that just came out.

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My bad. I stand corrected. There were 23 guns in his hotel room. Still, no pictures of all those weapons. Why?

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This is the part I don't get. If he really was planning on making an escape, why would he have 23 guns in his room (unless he was planning on leaving all or most of them)? Seems like it would be much easier to make a getaway with 1 or 2 than with 23.

Also, doing something like this in a hotel room under your own actual name would kinda be like being in a hit and run and leaving your license plate behind. They're going to know who did it, and they will find you.

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Mr_mo8268 said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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How do you 'try and fail to buy tracer ammo?' Is the law different in NV? I could go to cabelas right now and get some.

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You don't. It's just a false story that is being reported as fact to continue to build the narrative of a lone wolf poker playing killer. Just like the story about the fuel tanks.

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He couldn't buy them because they didn't have any to sell, not because he was prevented from buying them.

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I read an interview with that ammo supplier at the gun show where Paddock tried to buy them. Ammo guy said Stephen was a nice calm guy and he asked for tracer rounds but the supplier only had a few cases and Stephen wanted a whole lot more than what that guy had so he didn't buy any. Supplier said he thought Paddock was just using for fun with buddies or something

This is from the article on CNN's homepage.

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He ordered two entrees -- lemon chicken and scallops with snow peas -- at a restaurant in the hotel on Saturday night, but dined alone.

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That might indicate that the burger, soup, and bagel he ordered from room service was for him alone. Apparently, he was a big eater or at least in the habit of ordering big.