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In reply to Johnny2Fan • 9:25p, 10/6/17
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Johnny2Fan said:
Fingerprint all the guns, ammo clips, fridge door and the door handle. Why has this not been asked by the media?
Actually I did read somewhere that someone proposed that but then what happens if say you are being burglarized and somehow you got shot or in a position where you couldn't reach your weapon and your wife/brother/"someone" was there grabbed your gun but couldn't do anything because it would only work with your prints.

Edit, nevermind, I misread your statement but I am leaving this up for debate.
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In reply to Johnny2Fan • 9:30p, 10/6/17
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Johnny2Fan said:
Fingerprint all the guns, ammo clips, fridge door and the door handle. Why has this not been asked by the media?


Guns, ammo, mags definitely. Everything else... There's a ton of hotel people with totally legitimate reasons for having their prints there.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 9:33p, 10/6/17
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Johnny2Fan said:
Fingerprint all the guns, ammo clips, fridge door and the door handle. Why has this not been asked by the media?


Guns, ammo, mags definitely. Everything else... There's a ton of hotel people with totally legitimate reasons for having their prints there.
And I bet MB has each of their prints.
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9:46p, 10/6/17
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Holy *****

CNBC is reporting IRS records show this guy made 5 million in 2015 and it was mostly from gambling.

NO ****ING WAY! Now we know this guy was doing something illegal and reporting it as gambling earnings to launder the money. No body makes millions playing video poker.

FIVE MILLION profit from gambling? This guy would have had to be some savant. Casinos would have blacked listed him if he was walking out each time with hundreds of thousands in winnings.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/las-vegas-gunman-earned-millions-as-a-gambler-nbc.html

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In reply to Punked Shank • 9:48p, 10/6/17
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did they say if it was a hotel room door alarm or could it have been he stairway door alarm near his room?
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9:49p, 10/6/17
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I believe the FBI knows what happened but doesn't want to release the information (that he was a jihadist) because it will create a bunch of copycats.
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In reply to WestAustinAg • 9:53p, 10/6/17
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Talk to the girlfriend...
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In reply to bmks270 • 9:58p, 10/6/17
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"Winnings" does not necessarily equal "profit." How much did he lose before his payouts totaled $5M?
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In reply to coconutED • 10:06p, 10/6/17
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How does a guy working the type of career he did have that much to gamble with, have the number of houses he had, etc?

A lot doesn't add up.
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10:14p, 10/6/17
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3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?
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In reply to coconutED • 10:17p, 10/6/17
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coconutED said:
"Winnings" does not necessarily equal "profit." How much did he lose before his payouts totaled $5M?


Well he reported 5 million in earnings to the IRS apparently....

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IRS records show that Paddock was a successful gambler, earning at least $5 million in 2015. Some of that could be from other investments, but most of it was from gambling, officials say.
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In reply to Whitetail • 10:17p, 10/6/17
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3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?
Very very plausible.
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In reply to Whitetail • 10:19p, 10/6/17
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Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.
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In reply to bmks270 • 10:25p, 10/6/17
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Again, "earnings" may not mean profit. If you play the dollar slots once a day and hit the hundred dollar prize once, you have $99 of gambling income according to the IRS. You also have $364 in gambling losses that you are allowed to count towards your deductions, up to the amount of your gambling winnings.

What I really want to say is, let's see the deductions that go with that return before we start drawing any conclusions about his gambling success.
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In reply to Punked Shank • 10:26p, 10/6/17
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coastsrs said:
BlueMiles said:
I know knothing about what happened in this instance, but security from Caesars did stop by my room when I propped my door open using the lock you can use from the inside, the one not on the door knob, when I was expecting friends to come to my room.


This doesn't help at all. Why would he prop a door open?

He's not going to hold any doors open...


I don't know. Maybe he was waiting on someone to join him, too.
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In reply to bmks270 • 10:27p, 10/6/17
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coconutED said:
"Winnings" does not necessarily equal "profit." How much did he lose before his payouts totaled $5M?


Well he reported 5 million in earnings to the IRS apparently....

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IRS records show that Paddock was a successful gambler, earning at least $5 million in 2015. Some of that could be from other investments, but most of it was from gambling, officials say.

Stick $20k of ill gotten gain in a machine... play a few hands... cash out and go retrieve washed cash from cashier window... report "earnings" to IRS and pay taxes on what's now "clean" money... rinse and repeat...
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10:29p, 10/6/17
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Why is it so far fetched to believe he was former CIA?

It would explain A LOT about how he was able to pull this off, as well as why nobody knows much about him other than gambling and girlfriends.

From there, the 2 main possibilities would be:
1. He just went crazy for no apparent reason and he was all on his own.
2. This was some sort of really twisted op with political motivation.

I'm not saying it's #2, but the CIA background would explain a lot.

Edit: Also, I think the ISIS angle is very unlikely. But that's just my opinion and stuff...
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In reply to bmks270 • 10:32p, 10/6/17
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bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.


Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists
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In reply to TAMUallen • 10:33p, 10/6/17
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TAMUallen said:
bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.


Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists



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In reply to agent-maroon • 10:34p, 10/6/17
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backintexas2013 said:
No ****ing way he made anywhere close to 5 million playing video poker. No way he made half that.
Las Vegas video poker games website

I used to play some video poker and used the above link to find machines with full pay deuces wild games (FPDW). These had the best chance of providing a positive payout, but the maximum bet was $0.25 X 5 lines or $1.25 per game. No way you could physically play enough games in a year to earn $5 million and probably not enough time in 100 years.

If you look at the high limit games the maximum bet is $100 X 5 lines or $500 per play. I'm not going to do the math, but I doubt that you could play enough games in a year to win $5 million and that is if the high limits were FPDW. They're not full pay machines so over the long term you would actually lose money.

Like the previous poster stated, there is no ****ing way he made that kind of money playing video poker. The casinos would have to provide a win/loss statement to the IRS showing how he made that $5 million and the IRS would know better than anybody that it is physically impossible to make that much playing video poker.

IMO, it's WAY more likely that he's laundering money. And unless the IRS is grossly incompetent it's also very likely that they knew that.
The casinos do not provide a win/loss statement to the IRS, they would report the winnings on Form W-2G, to the gambler and to the IRS. It would be up to the gambler to deal with the losses in his return. The most I have ever seen anyone make in a year (slots and video poker) was almost $800,000 in winnings. At least that is what the W-2G's showed for his gross winnings. Of course, he didn't "make" that much as he had significant losses as well.
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In reply to Whitetail • 10:42p, 10/6/17
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Whitetail said:
TAMUallen said:
bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.


Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists





Can we keep made up speculative nonsense out of this thread.... lack of motive isn't evidence of involvement with an alphabet agency. His wealth is very odd isn't either... just means he may have been doing something else illegal, drugs, arms, human trafficking, mafia, ... and none of those reasons to launder money provide a motive either. There are no links yet to CIA or FBI beyond wild speculation about his income. And I don't think the FBI or CIA would pay near what this guy was making.
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In reply to bmks270 • 10:46p, 10/6/17
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bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
TAMUallen said:
bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.


Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists





Can we keep made up speculative nonsense out of this thread.... lack of motive isn't evidence of involvement with an alphabet agency. His wealth is very odd isn't either... just means he may have been doing something else illegal, drugs, arms, human trafficking, mafia, ... and none of those reasons to launder money provide a motive either. There are no links yet to CIA or FBI beyond wild speculation about his income. And I don't think the FBI or CIA would pay near what this guy was making.

For a second I thought I was reading the plot to Casino Royale.
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In reply to Whitetail • 10:46p, 10/6/17
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Whitetail said:
TAMUallen said:
bmks270 said:
Whitetail said:
3 people arrested for targeting NY concerts...paddock went to Middle East (UAE, Jordan) on cruises. Connection?

What if he was laundering money for ISIS but things went south and they set him up?


Isis would shout Akbar and wouldn't run away because their goal is to die in their attacks.


Scary though if this could be the first sight of an American ISIS network. Actually, it is scary no matter what because it has given a new and proven blueprint to terrorists



Can you imagine the s-hitstorm if he really was working for the FBI?
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10:55p, 10/6/17
What if there was another person and they are close to figuring out who/where the other person is but they don't want that person to know they are onto them so that's why they aren't giving anything up in the PC.
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10:55p, 10/6/17
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All this stuff about being a 'successful gambler' is BS. Unless you can walk away when you are ahead Vegas and their newer subsidiaries always win in the long term. Always. Most folks can't do that and that is what fuels the gambling industry. This fact is why the Corleone family made the push to oust Moe Green and get in on the action. Will be interesting to know what Vincent or one of his likely *******os by now are thinking regarding image control.
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In reply to Houston Lee • 10:56p, 10/6/17
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It'd never come out if he was FBI, CIA or any three letter unless somebody else involved cares enough about the United States to take action and also somehow has the ability to produce evidence to the public, without disappearing in the process.
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11:21p, 10/6/17
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If he was with the government we will never know the truth
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In reply to Whitetail • 11:28p, 10/6/17
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Whitetail said:





This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.
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In reply to Tom Doniphon • 11:37p, 10/6/17
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Stick $20k of ill gotten gain in a machine... play a few hands... cash out and go retrieve washed cash from cashier window... report "earnings" to IRS and pay taxes on what's now "clean" money... rinse and repeat...
That would be in line with the point made early, that there were several questionable casino transactions.

I'm sure when he pulled $20K or such, it was reported... which was fine for a cleaning scheme to show money in the bank. Why would the IRS care if someone is paying taxes on revenue?

When the FBI looks at his bank during this investigation and sees money wired from the Casino to his bank, it'd be like, "Wow... that's weird." They ask the Casino and realize, he inserted cash... they know how many games he played, and then cashed out.
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In reply to CSTXAg92 • 11:53p, 10/6/17
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CSTXAg92 said:
Whitetail said:





This is the type scenario I believe is closest to the truth.
It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.
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In reply to GCP12 • 12:04a, 10/7/17
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It makes a whole lot more sense than a 65 year old real estate millionaire just deciding to shoot up a bunch of people for no reason. I don't know what happened, but if the the result of this investigation is that he had no motive and he's just a psycho, I will know they're hiding something. The excessive amount of guns and him only shooting for 9-10 minutes makes zero sense to me.
I've never shot those types of weapons... but I'm guessing 9-10 mins of that type of action is pretty exhausting. Especially for someone his age.

His brother seemed to indicate he was pretty beat up from firing the weapon previously.
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12:46a, 10/7/17
Anyone have a background check website they go to? Here is one.
http://freebackgroundcheck.org/
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5:11a, 10/7/17
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Has anyone seen the New Tom Cruise movie "American Made"?

This seems very similar if true.
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5:34a, 10/7/17
Do people here actually think government sanctioned "gun runners" buy guns 1-2 at a time at retail stores around town?

His purchases are on the books in his own name. He tried and apparently failed to acquire tracer rounds. He was using bump stocks, not some kind of legit machinegun, etc etc. He doesn't appear to have had a single weapon that wasn't purchased in his own name or was illegal, or even hard to get.

If he was used to dealing with weapons buying/selling on any significant scale he sure as heck didn't show it.

I mean honestly, some of these theories are just moronic.


You want a gun runner? Here is a gun runner:



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3092362/shocking-police-pictures-reveal-10000-weapon-arsenal-intended-for-the-hands-of-terrorists-including-howitzers-machine-guns-and-grenades/


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6:07a, 10/7/17
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Talking about encouraging copy cats -- If this dude made $5M off gambling, me and a lot of other folks are heading to Vegas today! See you there!!
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