Coming in at a shallow angle into a densely packed crowd, single bullets probably hit multiple individuals as they passed through one and hit someone beyond.
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We need more crowd participation in executions.annie88 said:
That was actually a very popular way to kill people back then. Hung, Drawn and quartered disemboweled.
fifyPresley OBannons Sword said:what training does that require? I'm not trying to be a dick, but everyone is so sure he had training, and I see nothing done here that proves he had training. taking a corner room with a lot of windows and setting up a stable platform is common sense for anyone that has seen a movie.scottimus said:
The fact that he took a corner room and set up platforms and cameras. There is training involved.
Oh, that's a long time with that much firepower and ammo ready to go.Quote:
Around 15 minutes.
cone said:
here's what i thought it sounded like
but i know nothing
Guy with the AK bump firing definitely had training.
They even trained him how to properly fire the weapon.
proof that NO training is required.cone said:
here's what i thought it sounded like
but i know nothing
yeah true.CanyonAg77 said:fifyPresley OBannons Sword said:what training does that require? I'm not trying to be a dick, but everyone is so sure he had training, and I see nothing done here that proves he had training. taking a corner room with a lot of windows and setting up a stable platform is common sense for anyone that has seen a movie.scottimus said:
The fact that he took a corner room and set up platforms and cameras. There is training involved.
I have no idea who he is either. What a weird post.
fair enough
not trying to slime the military at all
just considering the sort of discipline, will, and preparation that comes standard in the military that isn't as standard in regular folk
trying to reason out how some regular schlub could get up the nerve to walk to the window and complete a plan that he'd been prepping out for weeks and likely longer
not trying to slime the military at all
just considering the sort of discipline, will, and preparation that comes standard in the military that isn't as standard in regular folk
trying to reason out how some regular schlub could get up the nerve to walk to the window and complete a plan that he'd been prepping out for weeks and likely longer
Dr. Watson said:Bobcat06 said:Around 15 minutes.aggiehawg said:Was wondering the same. 58-59 mortally wounded and over 500 injured, even if not all of the injuries were GSWs is a lot. I understand it was a crowd but that is accurate shooting. What was the duration of the entire event?cone said:
that's staggering
how many rounds did he get off
With around 600 casualties (dead + wounded), that's 40 hits per minutes. Assuming he hit some victims twice and also missed some, that's still very accurate.
He had training.
There were almost 25,000 people there and they were over 500 or so meters away. And he was using an automatic or modified semi-auto weapon. It wouldn't take that much training to cause a disaster.
I think the planning and prep was a little much for someone without some kind of training or experience. This was well thought out and planned well in advance. People don't just decide to do something like this one day and go through that much effort.
Blizerian is a self-promoting arse-clown who projects himself as the "man's man." His bravado about going to get a gun and return is purely his schtick.aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
From his video, I counted 42 shots in 8 secs; 5.25 rounds per sec.
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What are you guys referencing? Sorry if I overlooked it. Tough to follow this thread completely.SpreadsheetAg said:I am going to guess he's in complete shock... he should never have accepted an interview - even of someone just walking up to him. He should have been protected from the street-interview by family or police even.AggiePetro07 said:
That brother is acting odd.
Obviously, his world just got turned upside down, but still very odd acting.
All it takes is attention to detail and a few neurons that aren't wired quite right.
thanks for the feedback, appreciate the information on the event being posted here
9:48am post toward the end of page 13Wycliffe_03 said:What are you guys referencing? Sorry if I overlooked it. Tough to follow this thread completely.SpreadsheetAg said:I am going to guess he's in complete shock... he should never have accepted an interview - even of someone just walking up to him. He should have been protected from the street-interview by family or police even.AggiePetro07 said:
That brother is acting odd.
Obviously, his world just got turned upside down, but still very odd acting.
interview with his brother in florida. it's several pages backWycliffe_03 said:What are you guys referencing? Sorry if I overlooked it. Tough to follow this thread completely.SpreadsheetAg said:I am going to guess he's in complete shock... he should never have accepted an interview - even of someone just walking up to him. He should have been protected from the street-interview by family or police even.AggiePetro07 said:
That brother is acting odd.
Obviously, his world just got turned upside down, but still very odd acting.
There's a quote at the end: "I'm headed home. There's apparently nothing I can do."aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
Well, no....you ran and got out with your life. LEOs don't need you to come back and help.
Gig 'Em
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From his video, I counted 42 shots in 8 secs; 5.25 rounds per sec.
AK rate of fire is 600 rounds/min.
For the math deficient 10 rounds/sec.
I was thinking about this. He was between 300 and 400 feet elevated, and apparently about 600 feet from the target, Correct? That strikes me as a relatively steep angle. I would be surprised if any bullet hit more than two or perhaps three people. Maybe chest then hip then leg.MouthBQ98 said:
Coming in at a shallow angle into a densely packed crowd, single bullets probably hit multiple individuals as they passed through one and hit someone beyond.
Again, there a better experts than me on this forum.
Lot's of people ran out with their lives.. Does that make them all d-bags?CollegeStationAgFan said:There's a quote at the end: "I'm headed home. There's apparently nothing I can do."aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
Well, no....you ran and got out with your life. LEOs don't need you to come back and help.
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I didn't get the impression you were trying to slime the military at all. I just think it's disturbing what a sick mind can accomplish if they obsess over something long enough. Especially if they are of above average IQ.cone said:
fair enough
not trying to slime the military at all
just considering the sort of discipline, will, and preparation that comes standard in the military that isn't as standard in regular folk
trying to reason out how some regular schlub could get up the nerve to walk to the window and complete a plan that he'd been prepping out for weeks and likely longer
I think he was 400-500 yards away.
1000-1500 from target.AggieHank86 said:I was thinking about this. He was between 30 and 400 feet elevated, and apparently about 600 feet from the target, Correct? That strikes me as a relatively steep angle. I would be surprised if any bullet hit more than two or perhaps three people. Maybe chest then hip then leg.MouthBQ98 said:
Coming in at a shallow angle into a densely packed crowd, single bullets probably hit multiple individuals as they passed through one and hit someone beyond.
Again, there a better experts than me on this forum.
Not an expert, but I think any bullet hitting the ground at that angle would bounce and splinter and cause multiple injuries.AggieHank86 said:I was thinking about this. He was between 30 and 400 feet elevated, and apparently about 600 feet from the target, Correct? That strikes me as a relatively steep angle. I would be surprised if any bullet hit more than two or perhaps three people. Maybe chest then hip then leg.MouthBQ98 said:
Coming in at a shallow angle into a densely packed crowd, single bullets probably hit multiple individuals as they passed through one and hit someone beyond.
Again, there a better experts than me on this forum.
Would also depend on the type of ammo he was firing. Ammo which flattens out or breaks up on impact has far less over penetration power. If he was firing FMJ or steel core, that would be more likely to go through someone, depending on where it hit.AggieHank86 said:I was thinking about this. He was between 30 and 400 feet elevated, and apparently about 600 feet from the target, Correct? That strikes me as a relatively steep angle. I would be surprised if any bullet hit more than two or perhaps three people. Maybe chest then hip then leg.MouthBQ98 said:
Coming in at a shallow angle into a densely packed crowd, single bullets probably hit multiple individuals as they passed through one and hit someone beyond.
Again, there a better experts than me on this forum.
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Not unless they told the world that they were headed back in with a gun....aTmAg said:Lot's of people ran out with their lives.. Does that make them all d-bags?CollegeStationAgFan said:There's a quote at the end: "I'm headed home. There's apparently nothing I can do."aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
Well, no....you ran and got out with your life. LEOs don't need you to come back and help.
so, that makes it steeper-still.ABATTBQ11 said:
I think he was 400-500 yards away.
If this guy were actually an expert, would he not have chosen something down around the 10th or 12th floor, in order to get more through and through shots?
The (alleged) shooter's brother was interviewed:Wycliffe_03 said:What are you guys referencing? Sorry if I overlooked it. Tough to follow this thread completely.SpreadsheetAg said:I am going to guess he's in complete shock... he should never have accepted an interview - even of someone just walking up to him. He should have been protected from the street-interview by family or police even.AggiePetro07 said:
That brother is acting odd.
Obviously, his world just got turned upside down, but still very odd acting.
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Interview of brother...
Certainly not. I'm speaking specifically about those who took the time to Instagram that they were headed back to the scene with a gun, like the Dan Bilzerian signal had been activated.aTmAg said:Lot's of people ran out with their lives.. Does that make them all d-bags?CollegeStationAgFan said:There's a quote at the end: "I'm headed home. There's apparently nothing I can do."aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
Well, no....you ran and got out with your life. LEOs don't need you to come back and help.
It's highly unlikely that LVMPD was on the radio clamoring to get Bilzerian there STAT!
Gig 'Em
The shooting only lasted 15 minutes. It easily could have been over at the time of that last video. Getting a gun at that point would have been pointless.CanyonAg77 said:Not unless they told the world that they were headed back in with a gun....aTmAg said:Lot's of people ran out with their lives.. Does that make them all d-bags?CollegeStationAgFan said:There's a quote at the end: "I'm headed home. There's apparently nothing I can do."aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
Well, no....you ran and got out with your life. LEOs don't need you to come back and help.
AggieHank86 said:Blizerian is a self-promoting arse-clown who projects himself as the "man's man." His bravado about going to get a gun and return is purely his schtick.aTmAg said:I have no idea who that guy is, but what in that story makes him a d-bag?CollegeStationAgFan said:
If there was ever any doubt about what a d-bag Dan Bilzerian was.....
I'm not sure he'd have full latitude of picking his exact room. Probably took a fair amount just to get the suite on the right corner. Also have to consider the stage's location. He needs decent elevation or he's screened out from a lot of the audience by both the stage and the stands/structure on the side.AggieHank86 said:so, that makes it steeper-still.ABATTBQ11 said:
I think he was 400-500 yards away.
If this guy were actually an expert, would he not have chosen something down around the 10th or 12th floor, in order to get more through and through shots?