When will ya'll realize other people than Christians live, work, and go to public schools in this country. Christians claim to love thy neighbor but when it comes down to it they actually seperate themselves from their neighbor.

muster ag is my alter ego.

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I love 'em; I just don't want 'em around my children.

you're actually kind of on the right track there.

I think the problem comes down to parenting. (Not all parents, and i am in no way pointing the finger at anyone here)

Most parents these days send their kids out the door, and dont take notice about what goes on at school until timmy comes home with an work book that shows 2 men raising a child.

Parents need to step up to the plate more, regardless of religion, and raise their own kids.

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That is one reason why we homeschool. Others disagree with me (i.e, the loving, evangelical christians). I might not be right here, but I'll risk not be "evangelical enough" to being responsible for the loss of my children's souls.

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That is one reason why we homeschool. Others disagree with me (i.e, the loving, evangelical christians). I might not be right here, but I'll risk not be "evangelical enough" to being responsible for the loss of my children's souls.

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If you think that the anti-Christ secular education will lose your children's souls, then, by all means, I understand you wanting to homeschool.

As to homeschool, I have had students that were homeschooled. Some were incredibly bright and came with an excellent education. Others were, well, less than well educated. It all rests upon the ability of the parents or others to be effective teachers.

As said, some are, some are not.

Lone Stranger - The one time I agree completely with the Baptists, you come back and disagree vehemently with me. In the old days, when I disagreed with the Baptists, you accused me of saying that "Protestants = bad"....I just can't win with you...

So all of the good things that we got out of public school or big private schools we're supposed to take away from our children because of our selfishness?

Prom, football, baseball, band, track, speech & drama? Hundreds of friends?

Just because you can't handle raising a kid?

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Lone Stranger - The one time I agree completely with the Baptists, you come back and disagree vehemently with me. In the old days, when I disagreed with the Baptists, you accused me of saying that "Protestants = bad"....I just can't win with you...

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Several things:

1. I am not Baptist. I was raised Baptist, but am presently an attending member of a Vineyard Chrurch.

2. If you look at this as a "win or lose" situation, perhaps you should change your perspective.

3. This is not a response to you only, or you personaly. It is simply a response to a direction or an idea.

4. In many area I still respect your thoughts, experiences, and ideas. I just don't happen to see this one the way that you do.


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Ok Lone- But I remember when the new kid came into my public school when I was in the 5th grade. Very wild, flashing porn around, cussing, very rude to the teachers, etc. None of us had been like that. Soon, a lot of kids were emulating him, myself included to some extent. In parochial school, that behavior would not have been tolerated, but in public school, it was. And whether your school is secular or not, a lot of them are now, and the NEA agenda is front and center in a lot of them.

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That is the issue. Your definition of "good things" (and "good parent" ) is probably not the same as mine.

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To the extent any of this is worth pursuing, homeschooling does not prevent one from experiencing it.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060527/NEWS01/605270419/1004

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/14570268.htm

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/15179.html

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It all depends on what you mean by "raising."

Can I keep him/her alive? You bet.

Being a parent is an incredible responsibility. I am probably guilty of relying too much on my own strength and not enough on God.

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Ok Lone- But I remember when the new kid came into my public school when I was in the 5th grade. Very wild, flashing porn around, cussing, very rude to the teachers, etc. None of us had been like that. Soon, a lot of kids were emulating him, myself included to some extent. In parochial school, that behavior would not have been tolerated, but in public school, it was. And whether your school is secular or not, a lot of them are now, and the NEA agenda is front and center in a lot of them.

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This is a statement not only about the new kid, but also about those who emulated him.

And the NEA agenda doesn't touch me at all.

What kind of public school did you go to where they tolerated cussing & flashing porn around?

Did you go to school in Mexico? I call b.s. on this.

TLS,

As I said earlier, my mother is a public school teacher. Yes, she is a light and a blessing to her students. She can be an example to her children and the other teachers. This is her choice, and I applaud her for it. She went back to school in her 50s to do this.

My children, on the other hand, are required to attend school. They would be required to be in a class with a group of children their same age all day, every day. They would be ostracized to some extent for being different than others or pressured into fitting in. This has little, if any, to do with indoctrination by the teachers. It deals with the effects on my children.

I applaud your decision to work in public schools and be an example to those students. You are old enough to make those choices from a point of understanding and maturity. My seven year old is not.

Patriarch is not condemning your work. He, like me, is simply trying to do what he believes to be in the best interest of the spirit of his children. Please respect that and do not view it as disrespect to you and the good work you do.

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As I said earlier, my mother is a public school teacher. Yes, she is a light and a blessing to her students. She can be an example to her children and the other teachers. This is her choice, and I applaud her for it. She went back to school in her 50s to do this.

My children, on the other hand, are required to attend school. They would be required to be in a class with a group of children their same age all day, every day. They would be ostracized to some extent for being different than others or pressured into fitting in. This has little, if any, to do with indoctrination by the teachers. It deals with the effects on my children.

I applaud your decision to work in public schools and be an example to those students. You are old enough to make those choices from a point of understanding and maturity. My seven year old is not.

Patriarch is not condemning your work. He, like me, is simply trying to do what he believes to be in the best interest of the spirit of his children. Please respect that and do not view it as disrespect to you and the good work you do.

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Thanks for the props. I appreciate it. I don't have a hard and fast doctrinal stance on this issue. I can't; there is no scripture that specifically addresses it. At the same time, I have trouble with others who do have a hard and fast stance on this issue.

As parents, we are responsible before God for our children. I would, however, caution Christians to avoid the assumption that a Christian school is superior to a secular one. I have found the opposite.

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And I have found just the opposite to be true.

We had this discussion a few months ago and we pretty much debated left and right with no real answer except that some feel that secular education can be a rewarding as religous based education.

Learning just goes better with Jesus being invoked at every class. The test scores are also much higher at most Catholic schools too.

Apparently now, it's not just the kids flashing the porn around...



Teacher arrested for distributing obscene material

A Chesapeake teacher is facing charges because of what students say he showed them at school.

According to their Website, Oscar Smith Middle School teacher Jack Robinson taught all subjects in the eight grade there.

A search warrant states that Robinson showed pornographic drawings to a 13 year-old and 14 year-old student. Court documents also state that he had 65 Anime images in his bookbag (Anime is a style of animation which originated in Japan. It often contains graphic adult imagery).

Chesapeake school officials say Robinson has worked for the school system for less than two years and is no longer employed by them.

They also say that Robinson attempted to surf for online pornography on a school computer, but that their filtering software prevented him from doing so.

Robinson is charged with two misdemeanor counts each of distributing obscene material and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

http://wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=5035694



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Former teacher arrested, accused of using cocaine with students

(Horry County) June 15, 2006 - An Horry County teacher is accused of inviting students to her home, where they'd all do cocaine.

Kim Pike was a teacher at Faith Christian Academy, a small private school in Horry County. Investigators say she invited two girl students - 14 and 16-years-old - to her house.

WIS' Jennifer Miskewicz spoke with Horry County Police Sgt. Bob Carr about the incident

Sgt. Carr: At the house, the teacher along with the two females did cocaine. The teacher supplied the cocaine to the 14-year-old. Drugs were used at the scene of the house.
Jennifer: And the 16-year-old?
Sgt. Carr: The 16-year-old used drugs, too, but not supplied by the teacher.
Jennifer: Her own drugs?
Sgt. Carr: Yes.

The school says Pike was a substitute teacher in social studies and science for a teacher on maternity leave. The teacher said Pike was there about two months when a student came to her office and told her something.

Principal Sylvia Kenney says the 16-year-old told her the teacher did drugs, "The guidance counselor and I called her in and we became convinced there was a problem. So she was dismissed immediately and we contacted the authorities."

Kenney says the school did not make Pike take a drug test before her hire, because Kenney knew Pike's family. "It broke my heart, because I really trusted her and I thought she was a lovely young woman with talent and ability."

The two girls no longer go to the school. If convicted, Pike faces 15 years in prison.

Pike was arrested at her residence in Little River on June 13, 2006, and transported to J. Rueben Long Detention Center in Conway.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5035109&nav=0RaP

Instead of attacking schools why can't we mention the great things that kids may get out of them. I know my high school has a reputation for being a gang infested school but it also has one of the best JROTC's in the nation and was recently featured in the SA Express-News because of 3 alumni who have died fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All these negative attacks are silly and only reinforce sterotypes we all seem to have about whether students benefit more out of public or private education. What matters is that the student makes the best of the education that is offered and that he or she will go on to bigger and better things in life because of the education they received.

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Is it any wonder that Christian thinkers who exalt the autonomous will of man, and humanistic doctrines that ultimately depend on man, and not on God – Is it any wonder that they are full of fear? Little god, BIG problems, BIG world. BIG GOD, little problems, little world. It’s that simple.

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Gimme a break. The majority of teachers are pretty good. They are there because they want to help kids. I'm sure this happens at ALL schools.

Policy & lack of dicipline hamstring teachers & drive the good ones out.

And it's not like people in the religous heiarchy haven't abused their power/status with children either!

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This argument doesn't hold water on a little closer inspection.

It figures that parents who are willing to pay big bucks to send their kids to private schools are more interested in their children's well being, education, manners, etc. than parents whose kids who are in public schools. Or at the very least they are wealthy which in itself leans towards a better home environment.

I'm also pretty sure that dicipline at private schools can be much more rigid than at public schools. There's also the threat of being kicked out & the parents losing big bucks which is a motivating factor.

All this anecdotal evidence that public school teachers are either porn freaks or drug users is a bit weak.

I remember a while back when many RC's were rather angry at all of the "Priests who love little boys" anecdotes as characterizing most Priests in the Catholic church.

You will find bad apples in any bucket. That doesn't mean that the bucket's bad.

These are your teachers?

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The National Education Association recently concluded its annual meeting in Los Angeles – and you might be surprised what the largest teachers' union in America talked about and decided.

I mean, let's face it. The state of public education in American today is not exactly state of the art. You might think falling test scores, higher drop-out rates, and functional illiteracy of graduates – despite ever increasing taxpayer commitments – would be causes for concern and debate at a forum like this.

You would be wrong.

Here are some resolutions adopted by the representative assembly of the professional association responsible for educating your kids:



To participate in a national boycott of Wal-Mart (Two resolutions);

To fight efforts to privatize Social Security (nine separate resolutions);

To add the words "other" and "multi-ethnic" in addition to "unknown" in the category of ethnicity on all forms;

To commemorate the "historic merger of the National Education Association and the American Teachers Association, which occurred in 1966";

To expose health problems associated with "fragrance chemicals"; (I assume this means perfumes. Another resolution called for designating areas of NEA meetings as "fragrance-free zones.";

To fight indoor air pollution (two resolutions);

To make health care an organizational priority;

To expand efforts to elect pro-public education candidates to Congress in 2006;

To promote the designation of April as National Donate Month to promote organ and tissue donation;

To push for a commemorative stamp honoring public education;

To push for more collective bargaining;

To study the feasibility of a boycott of Gallo wine (A separate resolution banned the serving of Gallo wine at any NEA functions.);

To develop a strategic program to help NEA Republican members advance a pro-public education agenda with the party;

To defend affirmative action and oppose the Michigan Civil Rights Amendment;

To oppose the annual observance of "Take Your Child to Work Day" during the regular school year;

To oppose all forms of privatization;

To investigate the establishment of affordable housing programs for members;

To respond aggressively to any inappropriate use of the words "retarded" or "gay" in the media;

To fight the "regressive taxation practices of the federal government";

To support education programs for prisoners and former prisoners;

To support research on women and heart disease;

To push for an "exit strategy to end the U.S. military occupation of Iraq";

To oppose the Central American Free Trade Agreement;

To push for debt cancellation in underdeveloped countries;

To teach children about the "significant history of labor unions";

To develop a comprehensive strategy of support for homosexuality;

To educate the public and members about identity theft;

To explore alternatives to using latex balloons and gloves at NEA functions.

That's a fair synopsis of the actions taken by the largest "education" association in America – the only union and lobby group that is actually tax-exempt by an act of Congress.

What is peculiar about this list? Well, nothing if you are familiar with this thoroughly destructive organization. But, most people are not. Most Americans probably still think the National Education Association has something to do with education. It does not. It is a thoroughly politicized agit-prop group with a radical agenda.

Of the nearly 70 resolutions acted upon affirmatively by the group, no more than a half-dozen had anything remotely to do with classroom education.

The first 14 resolutions voted on had nothing whatsoever to do with education in the traditional sense.

However, one NEA resolution adopted this year did perform a real service to the public. It's the one requiring the organization to make its resolutions more accessible to the public on its website. Check it out for yourself.

Do I exaggerate? Is it time to review this activist organization's tax-exempt status? Is it time to start paying attention to the kind of indoctrination to which its members submit your children?

Yes, and all public school teachers are secretly members of the alluminati, the organization that will usher in the anti-Christ.

Lone - I know that you are not like that, but the NEA agenda is part of life in the public schools. I do now want to expose my kids to a godless, DNC agenda....Hey, I sound like Ann Coulter!!

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Funny you use Godless agenda, if I was a school teacher and I was exposed as an atheist I would have parents demanding I be fired yet funny thing is that you can't fire someone for their religious or non-religous choices in most jobs. That is Discrimination!

As the NEa, you really need to find a hobby that does not involve fairy tales and conspiracy theories.

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Lone - I know that you are not like that, but the NEA agenda is part of life in the public schools. I do now want to expose my kids to a godless, DNC agenda....Hey, I sound like Ann Coulter!!

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And my point is, if your kids were in my class they wouldn't be. And quite frankly, they wouldn't be in the rooms of most or all of the teachers in my department.

Even if that's so Lone, and I believe it to be, if you mention the NAME of Jesus in your school, what happens? Is your public school a Jesus-free zone? Or can you freely read the bible, pray out loud, etc., as long as you don't coerce the kids to join in?

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The only time I ever saw anyone get in trouble for saying jesus or preaching in school was when some teenage Fundamentalist started shouting at a bus stop we were all sinners and would go to hell, he argued with a few of my religous friends and I was angry that this idiot would say such things when I knew they were devout believers. Some teachers told him he would have to leave and he got all huffy and refused to move until he saw security show up.

There is nothing to block a kid from praying in school, you get it all mixed up. The school can't endorse a religous belief because it would leave out the dozens of other belief systems present. Heck some of my more religous friends attended public school because their parenst could afford private school.

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t73, you are right in one area. I can't just bust out with the plan of salvation while teaching postmodernism in American literature.

However, when I teach "Sinners In The Hands Of And Angry God" by J. Edwards, I freely use a timeline to put the plan of salvation on my board.

Also, if a kid asks me a spiritual question, usually, I will answer it.

I have had kids share from the Koran, OT, NT, Book of Mormon, the Vedas(sp), etc. I believe that modern education should include an exchange of ideas, even if sometimes I hear ideas argued that I disagree with.

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