Historically Christian civilization? What does that even mean? Am I going to get an earful of "Judeo-Christian" scree now? Go ahead. See if you can top Phil 3:20 with your upcoming lecture.

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Historically Christian civilization? What does that even mean? Am I going to get an earful of "Judeo-Christian" scree now? Go ahead. See if you can top Phil 3:20 with your upcoming lecture.

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The only Judeo part of Christianity was the part that nailed him to the cross.

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94chem said:

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Historically Christian civilization? What does that even mean? Am I going to get an earful of "Judeo-Christian" scree now? Go ahead. See if you can top Phil 3:20 with your upcoming lecture.

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The only Judeo part of Christianity was the part that nailed him to the cross.

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Is that why the first half of your Bible are the Jewish scriptures?

Not the Jewish scriptures. Judah is one tribe 12 of Israel of 12.

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94chem said:

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Historically Christian civilization? What does that even mean? Am I going to get an earful of "Judeo-Christian" scree now? Go ahead. See if you can top Phil 3:20 with your upcoming lecture.

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The only Judeo part of Christianity was the part that nailed him to the cross.

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Is that why the first half of your Bible are the Jewish scriptures?

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Those are our scriptures now.

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They're still Jewish scriptures, though you like to play around with translations and chapters.

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Not the Jewish scriptures. Judah is one tribe 12 of Israel of 12.

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That's maybe the weakest argument you've ever made.

And it looks like the Russians might have lost the relics:
" It's tempting to scoff at the notion that an army of invaders who commit atrocities with metronomic regularity would take inspiration from a Christian relic, even it is supposedly from a warrior prince's sword-wielding hand. But put that aside for a moment, because now it appears Russian troops … lost Dmitry Donskoy's hand fragment."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/10/06/russian-troops-ukraine-may-have-lost-church-relics/

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Christian nationalism disgusts me, and is a lie from the pit of hell...Take that crap and shove it in the Stygian Pit where it belongs.

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Another thought: A nation has no obligation to be indifferent toward its own heritage and continuation. In fact, that indifference would be considered cultural suicide almost everywhere else on earth.

Can't a historically Christian civilization legitimately give preference to (and attempt to preserve) the demographic, cultural and institutional conditions that created that civilization? You appear to think this is abhorrent. Why?

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Christian civilization has no set demographic, cultural or institutional conditions. Its demographic is all peoples, its culture is the heavenly city, and its institution is Christ himself. The true kingdom works its way through humanity by freedom, not American freedom, but a freedom of conscience that places the offer of Christ before all people with the offer of true and eternal freedom from the power, penalty, and presence of sin. Inasmuch as any human government promotes freedom of conscience, it offers a freedom that is symbolic of true and lasting freedom, and therefore I support it. But when it promotes freedom by coercion, and begins to bind freedom with ropes by telling some their conscience is welcome, while telling others that theirs is not, the nationalist fallacy subverts the Christian freedom. That is the subtle heresy for some, and the delectable apostasy for others.

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It really seems like you're working off of a private definition of Christian nationalism that means... I'm not sure what.

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You are the one who needs to study more if you have cast your lot in with this sordid group. I doubt you can even define nationalism, much less a "Christian" version of it.