pretty tone deaf meme, considering Trump and his allies want to give him unchecked power and essentially eliminate checks and balancesRongagin71 said:So are you going to be one of the rioters when Trump wins?barbacoa taco said:
blatant shameless lying makes me angry, yes. as do the numerous cringey social media posts so clearly trying to create faux outrage over every little thing.
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You went from calling the gods of Hinduism demons to saying the Democrats are the actual xenophobes all in one post. That's really something, isn't it? You don't think, perhaps, that telling someone the god(s) they worship are really just demons might be a tad offensive to them?
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Please don't credit me with the accusations of Biden Harris toward Indian lawmakers.
Are you implying Biden/Harris called the gods of Hinduism demons? Or is that what you believe?nortex97 said:
Please don't credit me with the accusations of Biden Harris toward Indian lawmakers.
Christian affiliation is just north of 50% in the democrat party. Regular Church attendance is far less common for democrats versus republicans, pointing to a sort of "Christian in name only" look. And to be clear, I am not judging the sincerity of any individual Christian that votes democrat. I'm simply reading the data and apply what we consider what true Christianity has been defined as for 2000 years.
Next we have to factor in that the majority of Hispanics and blacks vote democrat, primarily for race related reasons. Because these minority groups identify as Christians far more often, this will skew the numbers a bit.
Lastly, if we factor in that more and more Christian's are radically changing their teachings on things like LGBT+ issues, abortion, etc. it would appear that they are letting their politics influence their faith rather than the other way around. I believe this can easily be true of republicans too, but not to this extreme.
I believe that if the democrats took a staunchly atheistic stance tomorrow, they would likely lose less than 5% of their supporters. Seeing the abandonment of long held Christian beliefs in as little as 2 decades gives me a lot of confidence in that assertion. We'll probably get to witness that in the next decade or two.
Oh, and can't forget the "clinging to their guns and their bibles" comment, booing God and Jerusalem (after leaving them both out) at the DNC in 2012, defunding of Catholic adoption services due to their refusal to adopt to gay couples, forcing nuns to pay for birth control (one of the dumbest oxymorons I've ever seen) and plenty of other one offs, it's very easy to see how one can believe that the Democratic Party is anti-Christian, even if some individual Christians still vote for them.
Next we have to factor in that the majority of Hispanics and blacks vote democrat, primarily for race related reasons. Because these minority groups identify as Christians far more often, this will skew the numbers a bit.
Lastly, if we factor in that more and more Christian's are radically changing their teachings on things like LGBT+ issues, abortion, etc. it would appear that they are letting their politics influence their faith rather than the other way around. I believe this can easily be true of republicans too, but not to this extreme.
I believe that if the democrats took a staunchly atheistic stance tomorrow, they would likely lose less than 5% of their supporters. Seeing the abandonment of long held Christian beliefs in as little as 2 decades gives me a lot of confidence in that assertion. We'll probably get to witness that in the next decade or two.
Oh, and can't forget the "clinging to their guns and their bibles" comment, booing God and Jerusalem (after leaving them both out) at the DNC in 2012, defunding of Catholic adoption services due to their refusal to adopt to gay couples, forcing nuns to pay for birth control (one of the dumbest oxymorons I've ever seen) and plenty of other one offs, it's very easy to see how one can believe that the Democratic Party is anti-Christian, even if some individual Christians still vote for them.
No, I am not.Rocag said:Are you implying Biden/Harris called the gods of Hinduism demons? Or is that what you believe?nortex97 said:
Please don't credit me with the accusations of Biden Harris toward Indian lawmakers.
This (bolded part) is factually inaccurate. You might listen to the video for some context, or not.Rocag said:
You went from calling the gods of Hinduism demons to saying the Democrats are the actual xenophobes all in one post. That's really something, isn't it? You don't think, perhaps, that telling someone the god(s) they worship are really just demons might be a tad offensive to them?
Edit: D'oh, wrong emoji. Oops.
Democrats are the ones who accused India's legislature/government of being xenophobic. Please correct me where I am wrong about Kamala/Biden in this regard per my post. Thx.
I think the only unbiased statement that is objectively true with regard to this is that atheists / agnostics / nonreligious people are more likely to vote Dem than Rep. Yet still, the number of nonreligious Democrats is much smaller than Christian Democrats. And as you acknowledge, minorities are more likely to identify as Christian than white people.The Banned said:
Christian affiliation is just north of 50% in the democrat party. Regular Church attendance is far less common for democrats versus republicans, pointing to a sort of "Christian in name only" look. And to be clear, I am not judging the sincerity of any individual Christian that votes democrat. I'm simply reading the data and apply what we consider what true Christianity has been defined as for 2000 years.
Next we have to factor in that the majority of Hispanics and blacks vote democrat, primarily for race related reasons. Because these minority groups identify as Christians far more often, this will skew the numbers a bit.
Lastly, if we factor in that more and more Christian's are radically changing their teachings on things like LGBT+ issues, abortion, etc. it would appear that they are letting their politics influence their faith rather than the other way around. I believe this can easily be true of republicans too, but not to this extreme.
I believe that if the democrats took a staunchly atheistic stance tomorrow, they would likely lose less than 5% of their supporters. Seeing the abandonment of long held Christian beliefs in as little as 2 decades gives me a lot of confidence in that assertion. We'll probably get to witness that in the next decade or two.
Oh, and can't forget the "clinging to their guns and their bibles" comment, booing God and Jerusalem (after leaving them both out) at the DNC in 2012, defunding of Catholic adoption services due to their refusal to adopt to gay couples, forcing nuns to pay for birth control (one of the dumbest oxymorons I've ever seen) and plenty of other one offs, it's very easy to see how one can believe that the Democratic Party is anti-Christian, even if some individual Christians still vote for them.
I think your view on this is heavily influenced by the Overton window. When it moves this far to the right, it has become common to hear people openly advocate for Christian nationalism. And simply taking the neutral, secular stance is seen as anti-Christian, when it is not. It's the same debate that was had shortly after this thread started. Someone was advocating putting the 10 Commandments in public school classrooms. Those that did not want that were condemned as anti-Christian.
Long story short, I think a lot of people think this way because of the evangelical right is massively influential. To the point where other Christian groups get overlooked. Lest we forget, souls to the polls is a largely Democratic effort, such that it was targeted by Texas lawmakers in 2021. Thankfully that bill didn't pass.
You began your post with:
And I completely admit that I couldn't really tell you whether xenophobia has had any major impact on India's government and policy decisions. From my limited exposure to their political discourse it does seem that issues regarding caste are still of large importance so some added xenophobia wouldn't really surprise me. But again, I don't claim to be an expert on Indian politics.
So no, I wasn't talking about something within the video but about that statement.Quote:
Kamala was inspired to get into 'justice' by a Hindu goddess, which is demonic from a christian perspective (around 8 or 10 minutes);
And I completely admit that I couldn't really tell you whether xenophobia has had any major impact on India's government and policy decisions. From my limited exposure to their political discourse it does seem that issues regarding caste are still of large importance so some added xenophobia wouldn't really surprise me. But again, I don't claim to be an expert on Indian politics.
Sorry, but that's simply Christian teaching.
"The sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons" and "the gods of the nations are demons."
"The sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons" and "the gods of the nations are demons."
I think you're the first person I've spoken to that believes the Overton window has shifted right. Can you go into more detail on that? I can't see one social policy that has gone even remotely rightward in decades.
Moving on, here is my argument:
1. The Christian faith has historically and consistently taught homosexual marriage and abortion are a sin.
2. The majority of minorities identify as Christians
3. Therefore, the majority of minorities should be against homosexual marriage and abortion.
The problem is #3 isn't true. These Christians poll in support of LGBT and abortion issues in near perfect symmetry with their voting records for democrats. What is incredibly shocking is that support for LGBT and abortion issues has skyrocketed among the minority Christians over the past 15 years. It's also skyrocketed among minimally or non church going white Christian's, while it has not changed much for traditional faithed white Christians. In fact, evangelical support for democrats goes down every year. Catholic support for republicans has increased every election cycle, albeit slowly . What has caused this? Why did the minority group and already democratically aligned white Christians radically change their views while the others did not?
Another study shows that among weekly church goers, support for LGBT and abortion issues hovers in the mid-30%, while non-weekly church goers are in the 70%. That is a drastic difference.
The answer is that political alignments are changing the views of their adherents. Minorities have traditionally been democrats, and therefore have changed their views to stay in alignment with the democrats. This is not a Christian action, in my opinion. So you can say that democrats are majority Christian (and the majority is very slim as it is) but in my opinion it's easy to be a Christian and a democrat if you're willing to change long held Christian convictions in under two decades. You can say that souls to the polls is a Christian movement, but the issues these souls are voting for are issues they massively rejected not long ago on religious grounds
For those of us that are holding firm in our religious convictions, it's much more difficult and makes it easy to view democrats as anti-Christian. I'm not trying to use a "no true Christian" argument, but the way the numbers have changed so drastically leads me to believe you are the victim of the Overton window shift. Our traditional belief, that was still main stream on both sides of the aisle in this century, is now bigotry. This makes the definition of "anti-Christian" unclear and why I think you don't see it our way.
Great post. I am 69 years old. There is no way in my opinion Americans have shifted right in their views,The Banned said:
I think you're the first person I've spoken to that believes the Overton window has shifted right. Can you go into more detail on that? I can't see one social policy that has gone even remotely rightward in decades.
Moving on, here is my argument:
1. The Christian faith has historically and consistently taught homosexual marriage and abortion are a sin.
2. The majority of minorities identify as Christians
3. Therefore, the majority of minorities should be against homosexual marriage and abortion.
The problem is #3 isn't true. These Christians poll in support of LGBT and abortion issues in near perfect symmetry with their voting records for democrats. What is incredibly shocking is that support for LGBT and abortion issues has skyrocketed among the minority Christians over the past 15 years. It's also skyrocketed among minimally or non church going white Christian's, while it has not changed much for traditional faithed white Christians. In fact, evangelical support for democrats goes down every year. Catholic support for republicans has increased every election cycle, albeit slowly . What has caused this? Why did the minority group and already democratically aligned white Christians radically change their views while the others did not?
Another study shows that among weekly church goers, support for LGBT and abortion issues hovers in the mid-30%, while non-weekly church goers are in the 70%. That is a drastic difference.
The answer is that political alignments are changing the views of their adherents. Minorities have traditionally been democrats, and therefore have changed their views to stay in alignment with the democrats. This is not a Christian action, in my opinion. So you can say that democrats are majority Christian (and the majority is very slim as it is) but in my opinion it's easy to be a Christian and a democrat if you're willing to change long held Christian convictions in under two decades. You can say that souls to the polls is a Christian movement, but the issues these souls are voting for are issues they massively rejected not long ago on religious grounds
For those of us that are holding firm in our religious convictions, it's much more difficult and makes it easy to view democrats as anti-Christian. I'm not trying to use a "no true Christian" argument, but the way the numbers have changed so drastically leads me to believe you are the victim of the Overton window shift. Our traditional belief, that was still main stream on both sides of the aisle in this century, is now bigotry. This makes the definition of "anti-Christian" unclear and why I think you don't see it our way.
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These are the 7 corporeal works of mercy based on Matthew 25:35-46:
1. To feed the hungry.
2. To give drink to the thirsty.
3. To shelter the homeless.
4. To visit the sick.
5. To visit the prisoners.
6. To bury the dead.
7. To give alms to the poor.
What I have seen with the Catholics that I know, is that mercy and love have taken root with ministry outreach programs like Food Pantries, Catholic Charities, and prison ministries that seek to end the death penalty. This approach has led to a different approach to community outreach that emphasize inclusiveness and less of an emphasis on judgement.
The eucharist is no longer a trophy for a worthy few, but real bread for the poor and the sinner. There is no "traditional" or "progressive" those are labels no doubt sown by the devil to divide the body of Christ.
Without a doubt we will all be asked the same question, regardless of your party affiliation, what did we do for the least of these?
1. To feed the hungry.
2. To give drink to the thirsty.
3. To shelter the homeless.
4. To visit the sick.
5. To visit the prisoners.
6. To bury the dead.
7. To give alms to the poor.
What I have seen with the Catholics that I know, is that mercy and love have taken root with ministry outreach programs like Food Pantries, Catholic Charities, and prison ministries that seek to end the death penalty. This approach has led to a different approach to community outreach that emphasize inclusiveness and less of an emphasis on judgement.
The eucharist is no longer a trophy for a worthy few, but real bread for the poor and the sinner. There is no "traditional" or "progressive" those are labels no doubt sown by the devil to divide the body of Christ.
Without a doubt we will all be asked the same question, regardless of your party affiliation, what did we do for the least of these?
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
I understand wheee you're coming from. From my perspective, i can donate to any number of charities that can do exactly that. In fact i do. My preferred charities are those that financially assist women in crisis pregnancies. The government can do those things but it is not necessary for those things.
What I can not do is give money to a charity that is capable of outlawing abortion. I'm not capable of giving to a charity that is capable of legally defining marriage as one man and one woman. I am not capable of donating to a charity that doesn't allow schools to socially transition children against their parents will. That is solely in the governments purview.
In my opinion it is more important to have a government that takes care of the legal aspect we can't control and pick up the slack in personal giving of money and time in the areas we can control
What I can not do is give money to a charity that is capable of outlawing abortion. I'm not capable of giving to a charity that is capable of legally defining marriage as one man and one woman. I am not capable of donating to a charity that doesn't allow schools to socially transition children against their parents will. That is solely in the governments purview.
In my opinion it is more important to have a government that takes care of the legal aspect we can't control and pick up the slack in personal giving of money and time in the areas we can control
Remember the time that Trump quoted "Two Corinthians"? (As opposed to 2nd Corinthians)
He's no Christian. He just doesn't hate Christians. And, he has quit pretending to be a Christian. That is good enough for me.
He's no Christian. He just doesn't hate Christians. And, he has quit pretending to be a Christian. That is good enough for me.
This will be fun. I have 9 questions for you in italics. I actually have support instead of empty blathering, too.
Current Democratic policies:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
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1) Homosexuality should be celebrated. - or just simply accepted. Acceptance is not celebration. And if some people celebrate it, so what.
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If you deface a rainbow flag on the road, you go to jail. If you burn an American flag, you are just fine. If you and 100,000 of your friends burn down an entire city, it is a "mostly peaceful process". Laws in Wisconsin make it illegal to tell parents about kids using gender-bending names at schools. There was a rainbow-dildo butt monkey that showed up to an elementary library to read to elementary students (google this, it's pretty shocking). We have a whole month called pride month. We have parades where adults with little clothing are making out with each other in front of children. Your contention that the Dem party does not believe that homosexuality should be celebrated is intellectually bankrupt.
2) Masculine men are toxic - you just made this up.
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Um, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
Have you really never heard of toxic masculinity?
3) there is no such thing as man or woman - no, this is not a policy. some people are just accepting of trans people. get over it.
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Did you really not know that the democratic nomination for SCOTUS declined to define a woman?
4) aborting viable babies is not murder - nearly every abortion is pre viability. 90% before 10 weeks. anything post-viability is due to extreme circumstances, most often a devastating fetal condition and/or threat to the mother's life. it's not done just for kicks and giggles like so many people dishonestly say.
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Then let's make laws against the 10%. I would be really, really OK with that. Need a Medical exception for anything after 10 weeks. Federal ban. Let's do that tomorrow. You cool with that? The Dem party aint.
5) The nuclear family unit is a burden on this country - you just made this up. Most Democrats are part of nuclear families. No one is against nuclear families. Seriously, who makes this kind of BS up?
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If a person is protesting against the patriarchy, is she / she pro or anti nuclear family?
Refer to the link on item 7. Do you think that the nuclear family is pro-patriarchy?
6) white people are evil, just too ignorant to know that - made up. Teaching the ugly history of race relations in the USA does not mean white people are evil. stop whining and trying to play victim.
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Talk to Coleman Hughes about this one. His TED talk was shut down because he wanted to talk about a color-blind society, and what that really means. White Privilege? White Guilt? Do you deny the existence of all of these things? I'm pro Coleman Hugh's stance on racism. Or Morgan Freeman's. Or Thomas Sowell's. Or Denzel Washington's. Or MLK's. Not the trash we have today. And, we shouldn't try to erase the history of racism in the US, nor the bravery of the Abolitionist movement of the early 1800's in the USA lead by white Republicans.
Do you believe that we should be working towards a color-blind society, without ignoring the failures of our past? Do you believe that a person should be judged, in say, a job interview, or an application for a loan, or an application for disaster relief, solely by the content of their character, as opposed to the color of their skin?
7) personal responsibility is optional for life to be a success - you need to meet more people if you think this is a mainstream position.
Good enough for Duke
https://nypost.com/2024/07/09/us-news/expecting-people-to-be-on-time-is-part-of-white-supremacy-culture-duke-medical-school/#:~:text=According%20to%20an%20article%20published,who%20are%20white%20and%20Western.%E2%80%9D
Good enough for the National African American History Museum
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2286145/african-american-history-museums-website-says-being-on-time-is-a-marker-of-whiteness/
Do you deny that the far Left embraces people that want a Nanny state, and reject mediocrity?
8) The state knows how to raise your kids better than you do. - no one thinks this. and ironically the people saying this are the ones who want to be more aggressive policing other people's families, not less.
Dude, you are stuck in the 1990's. I just want to be able to send my kids to school without them coming home talking about how bad capitalism is.
Why are FBI agents going to school board meetings?
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/house-judiciary-subpoenas-fbi-director-wray-targeting-parents-school-board
Why did Newsome pass a law that prevents teachers from telling parents if their child is identifying as another gender?
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/house-judiciary-subpoenas-fbi-director-wray-targeting-parents-school-board
Are these activities OK to you?
9) Having sexual attractions to young children isn't inherently evil - you just made this up. when you lie this much it really takes away your credibility.
Why come up with the name "Minor Attracted Person" as opposed to Pedophile?
You do realize that homosexuality is a mortal sin in Christianity, right? The two are not compatible? In order to make the two compatible, you basically have to write a new Bible?barbacoa taco said:The conservative obsession with being a victim all the time is really too much sometimes. People will always extrapolate what they want to hear from stuff like this. People were escorted from her rally for being disruptive, not for being openly Christian. That could easily have been someone else yelling that or the same person yelling it while being escorted.nortex97 said:
Christ is King and "Jesus is Lord" is clearly audible.BREAKING: @ScottPresler obtained a video from Kamala’s rally in Wisconsin when two students were thrown out of the event for saying, “Christ is King” and “Jesus is Lord.”
— I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 (@ImMeme0) October 19, 2024
Kamala hates Christianity.
(I enhanced the audio for better clarity) pic.twitter.com/HcDf4kCNjI
She's also lying about her rallies being somehow larger than Trump's in the response as she mocks the guy who yelled it. But I think we all agree she's lying about a lot of stuff in this election. Bonus points for this happening as Trump was attending the Al Smith dinner.
Again, the myth that Democrats are anti-Christian is such an offensively STUPID belief. The majority of Democrats are Christian. You will never hear a Democratic politician be openly anti-Christian because that would be political suicide. It would be both offensive to Christians and otherwise very off putting to non-Christians who have Christian friends or family.
Can we drop this conservative victimhood shtick? It's gotten so old and tiresome.
You also realize that the pro-palestenian wing of the Dem party support regimes that literally want to wipe Judaism and Christianity off of the face of the earth? That would be like Republicans voting a Klansman into office.
He's just trying to be cute, but he's not very good at it.nortex97 said:
You seem very angry.
He seriously just throws crap out there with no substantiation that is 100% contrary to what everyone knows to be fact.
Source?barbacoa taco said:pretty tone deaf meme, considering Trump and his allies want to give him unchecked power and essentially eliminate checks and balancesRongagin71 said:So are you going to be one of the rioters when Trump wins?barbacoa taco said:
blatant shameless lying makes me angry, yes. as do the numerous cringey social media posts so clearly trying to create faux outrage over every little thing.
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The justices that Trump has placed in the Supreme Court have done more to roll back the power of the executive branch than possibly any single force in the history of this nation. Federal power never shrinks, and the executive branch never gets weaker. However, the destruction of Chevron Deference was a watershed moment in the history of the executive branch. By getting those Justices on the Supreme Court, Trump absolutely made the executive branch for the 2024 term less powerful than the executive branch for the 2016 term.
And, the roll-back of Roe v Wade had nothing to do with abortion, it had to do with the separation of powers. Thomas basically said RvW had to go because SCOTUS wrote a law in RvW, and that is not the job of SCOTUS. Scholars have been saying for 40 years that RvW was based on terrible jurisprudence that completely ignored separation of powers.
Which president has done more to limit the power of the executive branch than Trump, or strengthen government checks and balances than Trump, and how did they do it, and why is that more impressive than Loper Bright and Dobbs?
There are exactly zero serious people that say the Overton window has moved right. On the other hand, we have this very popular meme that got retweeted over 1 million times after Musk tweeted it:barbacoa taco said:
I think your view on this is heavily influenced by the Overton window. When it moves this far to the right...,
Can you define Christian Nationalism?Quote:
it has become common to hear people openly advocate for Christian nationalism.
Can you point to anyone in the GOP openly advocating to that definition of Christian nationalism?
Why is it OK to have gay pride flags in the classroom, and not the 10 commandments? This is not a secular vs religious argument. This is a moral v moral argument.Quote:
And simply taking the neutral, secular stance is seen as anti-Christian, when it is not. It's the same debate that was had shortly after this thread started. Someone was advocating putting the 10 Commandments in public school classrooms. Those that did not want that were condemned as anti-Christian.
Long story short, Christianity and Judeo-Christian values are massively influential on Western Civilization as a whole, and to the values that were the foundation of this country, and to the US Abolition movement, and to the economic prosperity that you enjoy today. The Protestant Work Ethic is scientific fact, not rhetoric. I'm all for more Catholics voting the way that their Bishops tell them to, BTW. Mormons, come on down, but not until you have sex again today, we need more Christian babies!Quote:
Long story short, I think a lot of people think this way because of the evangelical right is massively influential. To the point where other Christian groups get overlooked. Lest we forget, souls to the polls is a largely Democratic effort, such that it was targeted by Texas lawmakers in 2021. Thankfully that bill didn't pass.
Off topic, but I don't agree with you there.Zobel said:
Sorry, but that's simply Christian teaching.
"The sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons" and "the gods of the nations are demons."
In OT, the gods of other nations are just that, plural elohim that are not The Elohim, Yahweh.
Getting into the nitty and the gritty there, but demons are lessor than the other evil principalities.
Wow, seven posts in a row.BusterAg said:He's just trying to be cute, but he's not very good at it.nortex97 said:
You seem very angry.
He seriously just throws crap out there with no substantiation that is 100% contrary to what everyone knows to be fact.
What a burn.
Ben Carson, making points as usual.
I have however never seen evidence her Marxist father, who lives a block from the White House in retirement, is a Christian? I know he was born into a family that was part of an Anglican Church but not sure any dedicated Marxist from Berkeley would really identify as a follower of Christ.
Ben Carson: "She didn't have time to think about what she was going to say. She said what's in her heart" on Kamala Harris saying "you're at the wrong rally" after man shouts "Jesus is Lord."pic.twitter.com/Tv85mrQsLV
— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) October 21, 2024
🚨 Yikes! #Kamala Harris’ own Mother said she didn’t Grow up in a Black Church, but Instead a Hindu Temple 👀
— Cary Q. Lyle (@recpark5306) October 19, 2024
• Her own real mother said Kamala believed in all the religious practices and traditions.
• early in her career, she referred herself as the Hindu Goddess Parvati… pic.twitter.com/rYF4zxG0hI
I have however never seen evidence her Marxist father, who lives a block from the White House in retirement, is a Christian? I know he was born into a family that was part of an Anglican Church but not sure any dedicated Marxist from Berkeley would really identify as a follower of Christ.
It’s all starting to make sense now…👇
— Shane Schaetzel (@ShaneSchaetzel) October 20, 2024
“Seated on a lotus blossom, Kamala is the beautiful and fully-realized Hindu deity Mahavidya (Great Wisdom goddess) form of Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, well-being, fertility, and prosperity. They are in fact the same goddess, though… pic.twitter.com/MHIzT75wmK
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The Protestant Work Ethic is scientific fact, not rhetoric
This is a very weird claim.
You're welcome to start another thread, but the Septuagint and St Paul disagree with you.
Regarding the Septuagint... In particular, it's Psalm 95 (or 96) depending on how your Bible numbers the Psalms out.Zobel said:
You're welcome to start another thread, but the Septuagint and St Paul disagree with you.
A MORTAL sin? What? First time I've heard that.BusterAg said:
You do realize that homosexuality is a mortal sin in Christianity, right? The two are not compatible? In order to make the two compatible, you basically have to write a new Bible?
I've met several gay Christians in my time. Have you?
And if they're not compatible, then so be it. Homosexuality is clearly not a choice and gay people are not lesser. If Christianity says they are then we are at an impasse.
Not true in the slightest. Opposition to the state of Israel is not antisemitism, but demonizing Palestinians and their supporters like that sure is an easy way to dehumanize them and justify killing them by the thousands.Quote:Quote:
You also realize that the pro-palestenian wing of the Dem party support regimes that literally want to wipe Judaism and Christianity off of the face of the earth? That would be like Republicans voting a Klansman into office.
You're aware that there are tens of thousands of Palestinian Christians, right?
I am gonna try to not let this thread derail into an Elon thread, but that meme he posted was all kinds of stupid. Elon is as conservative as they come. I don't care if he voted for Obama. Every single thing he says is very right wing. It is who he is. He's like Clay Travis and Dave Rubin. Two guys who claim they left the left because of "wokeness" but they are no different from the biggest Republican you've ever met.BusterAg said:There are exactly zero serious people that say the Overton window has moved right. On the other hand, we have this very popular meme that got retweeted over 1 million times after Musk tweeted it:barbacoa taco said:
I think your view on this is heavily influenced by the Overton window. When it moves this far to the right...,Can you define Christian Nationalism?Quote:
it has become common to hear people openly advocate for Christian nationalism.
Can you point to anyone in the GOP openly advocating to that definition of Christian nationalism?Why is it OK to have gay pride flags in the classroom, and not the 10 commandments? This is not a secular vs religious argument. This is a moral v moral argument.Quote:
And simply taking the neutral, secular stance is seen as anti-Christian, when it is not. It's the same debate that was had shortly after this thread started. Someone was advocating putting the 10 Commandments in public school classrooms. Those that did not want that were condemned as anti-Christian.Long story short, Christianity and Judeo-Christian values are massively influential on Western Civilization as a whole, and to the values that were the foundation of this country, and to the US Abolition movement, and to the economic prosperity that you enjoy today. The Protestant Work Ethic is scientific fact, not rhetoric. I'm all for more Catholics voting the way that their Bishops tell them to, BTW. Mormons, come on down, but not until you have sex again today, we need more Christian babies!Quote:
Long story short, I think a lot of people think this way because of the evangelical right is massively influential. To the point where other Christian groups get overlooked. Lest we forget, souls to the polls is a largely Democratic effort, such that it was targeted by Texas lawmakers in 2021. Thankfully that bill didn't pass.
How do I know the overton window has shifted right? A few things. The Democratic party is not far left. They are center left at best. Look at Kamala Harris doing speaking events with freaking LIZ CHENEY. I dont care what you or Trump supporters think about her. She voted with Trump 90% of the time. She's a very conservative Republican. The Democrats are still very friendly with Wall Street and big corporations and clearly don't have a problem with overseas wars. It's still a somewhat right wing party.
Far left positions are still not widely accepted. Medicare for all. Universal pre K. Paid family leave. Free public college. Universal healthcare. Wake me up when these become positions that the Democrats widely embrace and start speaking out in favor of. Right now it's still a fringe minority.
When I hear people talking about the Democrats moving "too far to the left" it's always just about LGBT issues.
Well, we've identified the issue. You didn't know that Christianity has called homosexuality a grave since since its inception, but you also say that you know democrats aren't against Christians.
You're literally the meme you derided. You're correct in saying that certain fiscal policies on the left aren't as left as you'd like, but the fact remains each and every middle ground that we are doing a tug of war over is further to the left than it was 20 years again. That's what an Overton window shift is. It's not "are we communist yet". It's the fact that republicans are more liberal on a lot of issues than they were 20 years ago and I can't think of one issue democrats are more conservative on than they were 20 years ago.
You're literally the meme you derided. You're correct in saying that certain fiscal policies on the left aren't as left as you'd like, but the fact remains each and every middle ground that we are doing a tug of war over is further to the left than it was 20 years again. That's what an Overton window shift is. It's not "are we communist yet". It's the fact that republicans are more liberal on a lot of issues than they were 20 years ago and I can't think of one issue democrats are more conservative on than they were 20 years ago.
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I can't think of one issue democrats are more conservative on than they were 20 years ago.
Every Democratic plan on the border is far more punitive and places security at the center more than any plan 20 years ago. Democratic foreign policy is more conservative in the Reagan sense of the term than it was 20 years ago. Harris's tax policy is less progressive than Kerry or Obama.
The big change in the last 20 years is conservatives since Trump making the culture war so central to their concept of power that everything else has fallen to the wayside; coupled with the aggressive requirement to have power at the expense of democracy itself.
Yeah, it's funny. The Septuagint's translations of OT terms for evil spirits leads to a lot of this confusion.Zobel said:
You're welcome to start another thread, but the Septuagint and St Paul disagree with you.
Again, if you want to get more into this, the work of Michael Heiser is really interesting in this regard. I don't agree with everything he says, but he has built up an awful lot of knowledge about the language used in the OT, NT and apocrypha about the language used for spiritual beings that is pretty compelling.
I feel so silly. I have been arguing with a parody account.barbacoa taco said:
The Democratic party is not far left.
BusterAg said:I feel so silly. I have been arguing with a parody account.barbacoa taco said:
The Democratic party is not far left.
Yeah, it's not. Positioning yourself on the far right does not make everyone else far left.
Sapper Redux said:BusterAg said:I feel so silly. I have been arguing with a parody account.barbacoa taco said:
The Democratic party is not far left.
Yeah, it's not. Positioning yourself on the far right does not make everyone else far left.
Anyone that can't define what a man or woman is, is far left, regardless of the other person in the debate.
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