I understand your point, however it's not really relevant to what Trump attempted to do with his October 2020 executive order and is saying he will do if reelected. He isn't planning on simply eliminating some percentage of federal jobs. He is planning on redefining those jobs under a new Schedule F designation that would make them into political appointments.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's hard for me to find an objective, non-partisan analysis of his proposal. I googled it and gave up after the first 6 pages of results. All of the results up to that point were from highly partisan sources.
That's part of the problem, today. Every issue is balkanized and siloed into partisan frameworks.
Back when Trump first proposed it, I don't remember it being a spoils system, but rather a needed reform. My memory and/or analysis could easily be wrong, though.
That's part of the problem, today. Every issue is balkanized and siloed into partisan frameworks.
Back when Trump first proposed it, I don't remember it being a spoils system, but rather a needed reform. My memory and/or analysis could easily be wrong, though.
It is amazing how biased much of the news reporting insists on being.Jabin said:
Maybe, maybe not. It's hard for me to find an objective, non-partisan analysis of his proposal. I googled it and gave up after the first 6 pages of results. All of the results up to that point were from highly partisan sources.
That's part of the problem, today. Every issue is balkanized and siloed into partisan frameworks.
Back when Trump first proposed it, I don't remember it being a spoils system, but rather a needed reform. My memory and/or analysis could easily be wrong, though.
It is also amazing how well paid these top-level bureaucrats are,
the counties around Washington DC have the highest avg incomes.
Trump's interview with EWTN's Raymond Arroyo to go live today at 10. Continued Catholic outreach makes a lot of sense given the Dem ticket's antipathy toward Catholics imho.
Jim Gaffigan is hilarious, I might have to watch this one.Quote:
The most emblematically Catholic event in modern U.S. presidential campaigns, the Al Smith dinner, is set to be the backdrop for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's Oct. 17 interview with Raymond Arroyo of EWTN, the world's largest Catholic media organization.
The global Catholic network is scheduled to air the exclusive interview with Trump, which will take place just before the dinner, at 10 p.m. ET on Thursday, Oct. 17.
"I expect the former president will offer us a compelling take on the issues important to Catholics and all people of faith," said the veteran EWTN News host of The World Over with Raymond Arroyo, who will conduct the interview just prior to the dinner, which is hosted by the Archdiocese of New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
Until Reagan, it mostly didn't. When the Republican Party realized that segregation was not the prudent path forward for national relevance, they latched on to the abortion issue, and for 40 years formed a strong alliance with white social conservatives. As these numbers dwindle, as the base becomes both pseudo-Christian and pseudo-conservative, the alliance is weakening.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
I think you misunderstood someone here then. I don't think Christianity aligns perfectly with any given political party, for instance, but I think the Democrat party aligns quite well and overtly against Christianity.newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
As our elections boil down to a dichotomy, or choice to elect between the two major parties in almost all cases, as to who will be selected for an office, that is a simple decision.
Example: Harris derides heckler who shouts "Jesus is Lord." "I think you guys are at the wrong rally." Democrats really can't make it any more clear how they feel about Christianity.
So joyful.
I've listened to that clip a dozen times and I don't hear anyone saying "Jesus is Lord". It sounds like someone shouts something I believe is "Lies!" a couple of times. So yeah, no clue what you're talking about.
I missed the dinner but understand that Trump spoke while Harris failed to show up.nortex97 said:
Trump's interview with EWTN's Raymond Arroyo to go live today at 10. Continued Catholic outreach makes a lot of sense given the Dem ticket's antipathy toward Catholics imho.Jim Gaffigan is hilarious, I might have to watch this one.Quote:
The most emblematically Catholic event in modern U.S. presidential campaigns, the Al Smith dinner, is set to be the backdrop for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's Oct. 17 interview with Raymond Arroyo of EWTN, the world's largest Catholic media organization.
The global Catholic network is scheduled to air the exclusive interview with Trump, which will take place just before the dinner, at 10 p.m. ET on Thursday, Oct. 17.
"I expect the former president will offer us a compelling take on the issues important to Catholics and all people of faith," said the veteran EWTN News host of The World Over with Raymond Arroyo, who will conduct the interview just prior to the dinner, which is hosted by the Archdiocese of New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
So how was Gaffigan, presumably he burned both sides?
Gaffigan was funny, but really, I have to recommend listening to Trump's whole speech. I am not sure this can be topped:
Bonus for R/P board folks; he addresses that KAMala was probably not there because she was receiving communion from Whitmer.
Here is Trump’s entire roast tonight. Trust me and watch this entire thing. It’s phenomenal. pic.twitter.com/sSyuAs6MAD
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 18, 2024
Bonus for R/P board folks; he addresses that KAMala was probably not there because she was receiving communion from Whitmer.
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Although it appears the election has been decided, we'll see.
Crazy someone thought this on 8/9
94chem said:newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
Until Reagan, it mostly didn't. When the Republican Party realized that segregation was not the prudent path forward for national relevance, they latched on to the abortion issue, and for 40 years formed a strong alliance with white social conservatives. As these numbers dwindle, as the base becomes both pseudo-Christian and pseudo-conservative, the alliance is weakening.
Matt Chandler is that you?
It's amazing how you choose to spin some things. This wasn't just some religious guy yelling religious things. It was clearly pro-Trump folks trying to disrupt her rally shouting, "You lie!"nortex97 said:I think you misunderstood someone here then. I don't think Christianity aligns perfectly with any given political party, for instance, but I think the Democrat party aligns quite well and overtly against Christianity.newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
As our elections boil down to a dichotomy, or choice to elect between the two major parties in almost all cases, as to who will be selected for an office, that is a simple decision.
Example: Harris derides heckler who shouts "Jesus is Lord." "I think you guys are at the wrong rally." Democrats really can't make it any more clear how they feel about Christianity.
So joyful.
Yeah, that was better than I expected.nortex97 said:
Gaffigan was funny, but really, I have to recommend listening to Trump's whole speech. I am not sure this can be topped:Here is Trump’s entire roast tonight. Trust me and watch this entire thing. It’s phenomenal. pic.twitter.com/sSyuAs6MAD
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 18, 2024
Bonus for R/P board folks; he addresses that KAMala was probably not there because she was receiving communion from Whitmer.
I didn't know that Trump and Schumer (who was sitting right there) had such a long history including Trump giving him his first big donation.
Edit to post a bit of follow-up on the affair.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2024/10/18/newsbusters-podcast-trumps-dinner-humor-infuriates-pro-kamala-media
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It's amazing how you choose to spin some things.
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"At least it started a conversation..."
Silent For Too Long said:Quote:
It's amazing how you choose to spin some things.
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"At least it started a conversation..."
Case in point. You're spinning what I said down to the preferred narrative.
Uh....I quoted your infamous statement and provided zero commentary.
I say this sincerely old friend, I'm praying for you. Your discernment has been gravely compromise and you surround yourself with those whole peddle in lies. I truly hope you one day find the truth.
I say this sincerely old friend, I'm praying for you. Your discernment has been gravely compromise and you surround yourself with those whole peddle in lies. I truly hope you one day find the truth.
People have noticed, famous and not.
Kamala hates Christians https://t.co/JBZH2sZq4a
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 19, 2024
The guy giving millions to Trump is spreading lies intended to support Trump? Do tell.
Good analysis.
RCC and Protestants aligning closely vs. Evangelicals so much I was surprised by. Trump+4 for Protestants, +10 for Catholics, +35 for evangelicals. Not all states surveyed, fwiw (6 states)…
RCC and Protestants aligning closely vs. Evangelicals so much I was surprised by. Trump+4 for Protestants, +10 for Catholics, +35 for evangelicals. Not all states surveyed, fwiw (6 states)…
Amen.Silent For Too Long said:
Uh....I quoted your infamous statement and provided zero commentary.
I say this sincerely old friend, I'm praying for you. Your discernment has been gravely compromise and you surround yourself with those whole peddle in lies. I truly hope you one day find the truth.
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Christian Nationalism is a boogie man used to try and stop the political movement that is happening that will not likely be stopped any time soon: Patriotic populism that supports traditional Western values.94chem said:
Posting this over here because I wanted to hear from people who are more like me - read their Bible daily, attend church regularly, and follow Jesus. Anyone welcome to contribute in the usual civil manner of this board.
Although it appears the election has been decided, we'll see. No surprise that I lean conservative on pretty much everything, but I'm wondering if a good rear-kicking on the national level might be the catalyst to help the Republicans purge the Christian Nationalism that is taking over the party?
I see eye to eye on virtually nothing with the left, but this minority fringe of non-religious Republicans screaming "America is a Christian nation!" is getting us nowhere.
I have dozens of Christian friends from graduate school. We've all been strong in our faith for 30+ years, but we've been lost when it comes to voting our faith.
Anyone arguing for a Christian Theocracy needs to spend a bit more time in the gospels, because that is clearly not what Jesus preached.
Anyone that uses the term Christian Nationalist is just spreading propaganda for a movement that doesn't exist, because the movement that really is happening is scary to them and growing worldwide.
Our country is founded on the principles of enlightenment and Judeo/Christian morals. This country, founded on those principles, turned out to be the greatest gift to the largest number of people ever. Due to the economic miracle of the USA, there are fewer people living in poverty than any time since the Garden of Eden.
So, when someone asks me about Christian Nationalists, I ask them who specifically they are talking about. And then point out that this person doesn't want to convert the entire U.S. into a theocracy. If they challenge that its more about values than religion, I point out that the country and the world has been pretty well off living by that set of morals / mores / values for the past 250 years, and I proudly stand behind them and would like to see them rise back into prominence without making Christianity a social requirement. Getting most people to work hard out of their own self interest by creating an environment where hard work leads to upward economic mobility has been a gift to so many people, including the idiot using the term Christian Nationalist. Add in the compassion to others with less and less opportunity that also want to support a nation where hard work leads to upward social mobility, and you have a true miracle, in my eyes.
So, my advice to you when you hear someone use that term is not to play their word games. Make them get specific. What is the Christian Nationalist platform? Who espouses that platform? What is the difference between that platform and, say, Thomas Jefferson's platform?
There used to be lots of Christian Democrats because everyone espoused Christian values. I would submit that 99.999999999% of adults in 1980 would have classified trans people as mentally ill. Whether or not we can teach this belief to our children has become a divisive issue in our country. In that environment, things like marriage, porn, deficit spending, all become a little less important.94chem said:newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
Until Reagan, it mostly didn't. When the Republican Party realized that segregation was not the prudent path forward for national relevance, they latched on to the abortion issue, and for 40 years formed a strong alliance with white social conservatives. As these numbers dwindle, as the base becomes both pseudo-Christian and pseudo-conservative, the alliance is weakening.
The reason why the GOP isn't nearly as socially conservative in 2024 is that the country as a whole is not nearly as socially conservative as it used to be, so the divisions between the left and right got way wider, even if the GOP got less conservative. In a constitutional republic, you have to boil things down to a binary choice, so some compromise is absolutely required in order to maintain any semblance of influence.
Current Democratic policies:newbie11 said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Christianity only aligns with the policies of one party.
1) Homosexuality should be celebrated.
2) Masculine men are toxic
3) there is no such thing as man or woman
4) aborting viable babies is not murder
5) The nuclear family unit is a burden on this country
6) white people are evil, just too ignorant to know that
7) personal responsibility is optional for life to be a success
8) The state knows how to raise your kids better than you do.
9) Having sexual attractions to young children isn't inherently evil
Can you name me 9 GOP policies that are more offensive to the Christian religion? And, you don't get to go with war, because that is an evil game both sides of the aisle play, just ask Obama.
Well, Kamala is just so religious, you see.
And there's a difference:
Pandering so cringe, it’s hard to watch. https://t.co/q18HIu0Q5i
— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) October 21, 2024
And there's a difference:
Don’t just take Trump’s word on it. Listen
— James Jinnette (@james_jinnette1) October 21, 2024
To the difference in these two interactions and let the evidence speak for itself👇🏼 https://t.co/QklFCDbL70
This entire attack is baffling to me. Someone shouting "Lies!" sounds nothing like "Jesus is Lord". I've listened to it multiple times and I still don't hear anything about Jesus, but I do hear someone yelling "Lies!".
Honest question for you nortex97, when you listen to the clip do you not hear someone yelling "Lies!"?
Honest question for you nortex97, when you listen to the clip do you not hear someone yelling "Lies!"?
Rocag said:
This entire attack is baffling to me. Someone shouting "Lies!" sounds nothing like "Jesus is Lord". I've listened to it multiple times and I still don't hear anything about Jesus, but I do hear someone yelling "Lies!".
Honest question for you nortex97, when you listen to the clip do you not hear someone yelling "Lies!"?
I think I can make out a "king" but I wouldn't put money on it. What I would put money on is that no one shouts "lies".
Christ is King and "Jesus is Lord" is clearly audible.
She's also lying about her rallies being somehow larger than Trump's in the response as she mocks the guy who yelled it. But I think we all agree she's lying about a lot of stuff in this election. Bonus points for this happening as Trump was attending the Al Smith dinner.
BREAKING: @ScottPresler obtained a video from Kamala’s rally in Wisconsin when two students were thrown out of the event for saying, “Christ is King” and “Jesus is Lord.”
— I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 (@ImMeme0) October 19, 2024
Kamala hates Christianity.
(I enhanced the audio for better clarity) pic.twitter.com/HcDf4kCNjI
She's also lying about her rallies being somehow larger than Trump's in the response as she mocks the guy who yelled it. But I think we all agree she's lying about a lot of stuff in this election. Bonus points for this happening as Trump was attending the Al Smith dinner.
The heckler shouts what sounds like the same word at least twice (sounds like there might have been a fainter third time before those). It's clearly one syllable long and to me sounds like "lies", though the "l" sound isn't very strong so I suppose they could be shouting something that rhymes with lies, but I have no clue what that might be.The Banned said:I think I can make out a "king" but I wouldn't put money on it. What I would put money on is that no one shouts "lies".Rocag said:
This entire attack is baffling to me. Someone shouting "Lies!" sounds nothing like "Jesus is Lord". I've listened to it multiple times and I still don't hear anything about Jesus, but I do hear someone yelling "Lies!".
Honest question for you nortex97, when you listen to the clip do you not hear someone yelling "Lies!"?
I don't hear "king" at all.
Edit: I was listening and referring to the first clip nortex posted. The one just posted is pretty different and has been "enhanced". Yes, I agree on that one I hear what is claimed but not on the first one.
Time to unload on this avalanche of nonsense.
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Current Democratic policies:
1) Homosexuality should be celebrated. - or just simply accepted. Acceptance is not celebration. And if some people celebrate it, so what.
2) Masculine men are toxic - you just made this up.
3) there is no such thing as man or woman - no, this is not a policy. some people are just accepting of trans people. get over it.
4) aborting viable babies is not murder - nearly every abortion is pre viability. 90% before 10 weeks. anything post-viability is due to extreme circumstances, most often a devastating fetal condition and/or threat to the mother's life. it's not done just for kicks and giggles like so many people dishonestly say.
5) The nuclear family unit is a burden on this country - you just made this up. Most Democrats are part of nuclear families. No one is against nuclear families. Seriously, who makes this kind of BS up?
6) white people are evil, just too ignorant to know that - made up. Teaching the ugly history of race relations in the USA does not mean white people are evil. stop whining and trying to play victim.
7) personal responsibility is optional for life to be a success - you need to meet more people if you think this is a mainstream position.
8) The state knows how to raise your kids better than you do. - no one thinks this. and ironically the people saying this are the ones who want to be more aggressive policing other people's families, not less.
9) Having sexual attractions to young children isn't inherently evil - you just made this up. when you lie this much it really takes away your credibility.
The conservative obsession with being a victim all the time is really too much sometimes. People will always extrapolate what they want to hear from stuff like this. People were escorted from her rally for being disruptive, not for being openly Christian. That could easily have been someone else yelling that or the same person yelling it while being escorted.nortex97 said:
Christ is King and "Jesus is Lord" is clearly audible.BREAKING: @ScottPresler obtained a video from Kamala’s rally in Wisconsin when two students were thrown out of the event for saying, “Christ is King” and “Jesus is Lord.”
— I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 (@ImMeme0) October 19, 2024
Kamala hates Christianity.
(I enhanced the audio for better clarity) pic.twitter.com/HcDf4kCNjI
She's also lying about her rallies being somehow larger than Trump's in the response as she mocks the guy who yelled it. But I think we all agree she's lying about a lot of stuff in this election. Bonus points for this happening as Trump was attending the Al Smith dinner.
Again, the myth that Democrats are anti-Christian is such an offensively STUPID belief. The majority of Democrats are Christian. You will never hear a Democratic politician be openly anti-Christian because that would be political suicide. It would be both offensive to Christians and otherwise very off putting to non-Christians who have Christian friends or family.
Can we drop this conservative victimhood shtick? It's gotten so old and tiresome.
You seem very angry.
blatant shameless lying makes me angry, yes. as do the numerous cringey social media posts so clearly trying to create faux outrage over every little thing.
So are you going to be one of the rioters when Trump wins?barbacoa taco said:
blatant shameless lying makes me angry, yes. as do the numerous cringey social media posts so clearly trying to create faux outrage over every little thing.
Edit to post from F16...
Kamala was inspired to get into 'justice' by a Hindu goddess, which is demonic from a christian perspective (around 8 or 10 minutes);
Personally, I think more and more Indians will reject the Democrat's pro-war message and faux-religious identification over time anyway:
Personally, I think more and more Indians will reject the Democrat's pro-war message and faux-religious identification over time anyway:
It's somewhat humorous to me to see how Indians and other Hindu's might view the Biden-Harris administration as xenophobic in their treatment of India.Quote:
While she hasn't indicated her Hindu heritage would reshape foreign policy, Shoba Viswanathan, who heads civic engagement for Indiaspora, a nonprofit told the New York Times that Harris "normalizes us in a way; she is a visible representation of Indians in public service."
Meanwhile, Sanjoy Chakravorty, the author of a 2016 book on the rise of Indian Americans told the newspaper that Indian Americans were "guaranteed" to support the Democratic Party.
His words come as other political strategists warn a shift towards the GOP is taking place among the Indian American voting block.
"In the far left circles, there's a hierarchy in what you would call woke politics of religion," Anang Mittal, former head of digital communications for House Speaker Mike Johnson, told Religious News Service earlier this month. "Because a lot of people on the left are opposed to Modi and opposed to Modi's sort of version of Hindu nationalism, they have decided that any expression of Hinduism is essentially related to Hindu nationalism. That's going to be very hard to move away from because the diaspora and India are linked."
Trump's presidency oversaw a strengthening of relations with India. The MAGA champion praised the country's leader as "a great guy" even holding a Texas event for Modi in 2019. The next year, the two held a joint rally in India, attended by more than 110,000 people.
When President Joe Biden took office, the relationship shifted. The Democrat's White House expressed disappointment over Modi's nationalistic policies, criticizing India's Citizenship Amendment Act as "xenophobic," and voicing concern about the repeal of Article 370.
"They don't want immigrants," Biden criticized India this year, referencing the CAA.
Earlier this month, a survey of Asian American voters discovered that Democratic identification among Indian American voters dropped to 46% from 54% in 2020. Republican affiliation increased from 16% to 23%.