It's not a remark Biden ever made. It's a wild claim made by conservatives to try and prove Biden was somehow getting funds from his son's business dealings. The actual quote was in an email from a guy to Hunter Biden for a deal that was never actually completed or even started.

Yeah, the 10% cut thing been used in lots of memes but is probably no more accurate than claiming Trump will cut Social Security.

The charge is that FEMA has little money now after being budgeted $+3billion/yr because it has given so much to migrants under conditions that may not have been legal.

Skip the BS and go to the 1minute mark to hear Elon Musk explain why the Democrats are very close to becoming the single ruling party in America.
He thinks that if Trump doesn't win 2024 that there will be no more chance to undo the Dem's massive immigration programs or to defeat them at the polls.

I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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How are illegals voting? Oh wait, I know... if we lose, the other cheated even though nobody proved it in any one of 40 cases across the country in 2020/21.

We should have stronger borders because that's what reasonable countries do. We just need to better communicate how controlling it allows us to bring in folks to work. It just allows us to know who is coming here and when they need to return. Not a crazy thought. Just need to do it while showing some human compassion.

The last Presidential election was skewed by a massive Dem program that used emergency powers in effect because of Covid to allow what should have been illegal vote harvesting schemes and mail-in ballots accepted after the polls closed. Over 300 laws were changed nationwide by fiat rather than legislative action.
https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-ban-on-paid-vote-harvesting-is-back-in-effect-for-now/

This thread has devolved from its original purpose into a bunch of paranoiac nonsense.

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

And what would be the motive of the dem party to basically encourage illegal immigration? And why do they get upset when the illegal immigrants are transported to them?

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Elon is a child of apartheid South Africa. Being a xenophobic a-hole is all he knows how to do.

The idolization of him by the right, on par with that of Donald Trump, is a pretty sad thing to see. He could use his power and platform for good and he actively chooses to use it to spread hate, lies, and cruelty.

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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Because it's a lie. Noncitizens cannot vote. Democrats are not "recruiting" noncitizens to vote. It's all lies and meant to stir up hate against immigrants, just like the eating dogs and cats hoax.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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Because it's a lie. Noncitizens cannot vote. Democrats are not "recruiting" noncitizens to vote. It's all lies and meant to stir up hate against immigrants, just like the eating dogs and cats hoax.

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So then what is the motive? And there are poor citizens here they can help.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens? Should existing immigration be followed?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."

Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.

Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."

Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.

Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.

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Can you post where I said taxing the rich was "punishing success"? I assume with the quotation marks you are saying those are my exact words.

There is zero benefit to anybody by raising taxes on any group. The poor do not get richer by cutting anyone's taxes. And are you saying you want to decrease wealth inequality by taxing the rich? How does it help the poor if the rich have less money? Logically that makes zero sense.

And one more time, should we enforce existing immigration laws?

And should aid to non citizens be stopped so that we can spend on citizens first? Like with the recent hurricanes? What are the dems motives for pushing the aid to non citizens?

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."

Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.

Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.

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Can you post where I said taxing the rich was "punishing success"? I assume with the quotation marks you are saying those are my exact words.

There is zero benefit to anybody by raising taxes on any group. The poor do not get richer by cutting anyone's taxes. And are you saying you want to decrease wealth inequality by taxing the rich? How does it help the poor if the rich have less money? Logically that makes zero sense.

And one more time, should we enforce existing immigration laws?

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to be honest I don't see much of a point in rehashing this entire argument. I'll just sum it up by saying that we have the means to pay for programs and things that go toward the public good. Examples include healthcare, infrastructure, schools, transportation, food, emergency relief. We just actively choose not to a lot of the time. Under Republican administrations, we cut funding to these things to pay for rich people's tax cuts. It really is a matter of what we prioritize.

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And should aid to non citizens be stopped so that we can spend on citizens first? Like with the recent hurricanes? What are the dems motives for pushing the aid to non citizens?

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and there it is. You, my friend, have fallen victim to Trump's disinformation. FEMA is not sending aid to illegal immigrants from the disaster relief fund. Trump just made that up.

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I never said any of what you posted. And instead of more programs, how about paying off the debt? And do you know you could raise the top marginal rate to 100% on billionaires and it would be a drop in the bucket? It is all emotional rhetoric.
I think we should cut funding to non citizens totally and help citizens. I never mentioned FEMA. Stop projecting the caricature of what you think conservative Christian's believe. And I am not a big Trump fan and agree he was lying about the FEMA funds. That is not the point.

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Skip the BS and go to the 1minute mark to hear Elon Musk explain why the Democrats are very close to becoming the single ruling party in America.
He thinks that if Trump doesn't win 2024 that there will be no more chance to undo the Dem's massive immigration programs or to defeat them at the polls.

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Ah yes, Elon Musk. I'm sure all of his efforts are altruistic and not self serving. Another billionaire explaining to us poor folk how to vote. People getting advice from the elite on one side warning them about the elite on the other side. Plutocratic democracy is where we're headed. People are being fooled into believing their choices are of their own making and not driven by the machinations of the rich wanting to get into or stay in power.

The inordinate amount of faith people are beginning to show for people in politics is getting scary. Also interesting how a congressional investigation is now starting to look into why Musk wasn't granted a multibillion dollar contract with the government.

Trump does exaggerate, but that would be okay if he were a Dem.
Because he is a Pub, he has had to spend over a $million defending
himself in various Dem controlled courts because they hate him.
If he wins, you can bet that there will be riots, stealing and burning.

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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Because it's a lie. Noncitizens cannot vote. Democrats are not "recruiting" noncitizens to vote. It's all lies and meant to stir up hate against immigrants, just like the eating dogs and cats hoax.

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Hmmm, this is just the first link when you look it up on duckduckgo........

Map Shows States Where Migrants Are Being Purged From Voter Rolls - Newsweek

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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The Democratic Party is recruiting immigrants? Do they have scouts and camps to pick the best immigrants?

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Should we follow existing immigration laws? And if not what other laws are disallowed?

And if that is the case, should we not follow civil rights laws?

Should the enforcement of laws depend on which political party is in control?

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."

Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.

Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.

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Can you post where I said taxing the rich was "punishing success"? I assume with the quotation marks you are saying those are my exact words.

There is zero benefit to anybody by raising taxes on any group. The poor do not get richer by cutting anyone's taxes. And are you saying you want to decrease wealth inequality by taxing the rich? How does it help the poor if the rich have less money? Logically that makes zero sense.

And one more time, should we enforce existing immigration laws?

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to be honest I don't see much of a point in rehashing this entire argument. I'll just sum it up by saying that we have the means to pay for programs and things that go toward the public good. Examples include healthcare, infrastructure, schools, transportation, food, emergency relief. We just actively choose not to a lot of the time. Under Republican administrations, we cut funding to these things to pay for rich people's tax cuts. It really is a matter of what we prioritize.

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And should aid to non citizens be stopped so that we can spend on citizens first? Like with the recent hurricanes? What are the dems motives for pushing the aid to non citizens?

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and there it is. You, my friend, have fallen victim to Trump's disinformation. FEMA is not sending aid to illegal immigrants from the disaster relief fund. Trump just made that up.

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Can you read? I agreed with you that Trump is lying.

The question is why are we giving money/benefits to non citizens?

And can you post where I said "punishing success"? Or are you a liar?

I know we disagree politically, but have I ever done that to you?

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I don't understand why you think it is xenophobic to say that most of the immigrants recruited and brought into the country by the Democrat Party are going to vote for that party...of course they are.

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The Democratic Party is recruiting immigrants? Do they have scouts and camps to pick the best immigrants?

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Should we follow existing immigration laws? And if not what other laws are disallowed?

And if that is the case, should we not follow civil rights laws?

Should the enforcement of laws depend on which political party is in control?

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Laws are enforced. Haitian migrants, for example, are legally provided temporary protected status, despite what Vance claims. Enforcement doesn't mean things are perfect, but unless you can point to a specific illegal policy, I'm not sure what your claim is.

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So you are saying we are enforcing immigration laws on the Texas border?

And Italian immigrants? C'mon man. That is a huge problem.

Italian immigrants are ruining everything. No pizza.

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So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.

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Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.

I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.

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The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.

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Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?

Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?

And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.

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Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."

Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.

Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.

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Can you post where I said taxing the rich was "punishing success"? I assume with the quotation marks you are saying those are my exact words.

There is zero benefit to anybody by raising taxes on any group. The poor do not get richer by cutting anyone's taxes. And are you saying you want to decrease wealth inequality by taxing the rich? How does it help the poor if the rich have less money? Logically that makes zero sense.

And one more time, should we enforce existing immigration laws?

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to be honest I don't see much of a point in rehashing this entire argument. I'll just sum it up by saying that we have the means to pay for programs and things that go toward the public good. Examples include healthcare, infrastructure, schools, transportation, food, emergency relief. We just actively choose not to a lot of the time. Under Republican administrations, we cut funding to these things to pay for rich people's tax cuts. It really is a matter of what we prioritize.

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And should aid to non citizens be stopped so that we can spend on citizens first? Like with the recent hurricanes? What are the dems motives for pushing the aid to non citizens?

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and there it is. You, my friend, have fallen victim to Trump's disinformation. FEMA is not sending aid to illegal immigrants from the disaster relief fund. Trump just made that up.

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Can you read? I agreed with you that Trump is lying.

The question is why are we giving money/benefits to non citizens?

And can you post where I said "punishing success"? Or are you a liar?

I know we disagree politically, but have I ever done that to you?

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the funds people think went to illegal immigrants were from CBP's budget, which funds FEMA's shelter and services program, which goes toward funding temporary housing and food for migrants. This actually started under Trump. and it does not come from FEMA's budget.

Not everything that benefits migrants is going toward undocumented immigrants.

If you didn't use the phrase "punishing success" you certainly implied it. I have a big problem with billionaires and multimillionaries constantly cheating taxes illegally and finding legal loopholes to literally pay less in taxes than me. You may have no issue with that at all, but I do. I think it's wrong. It's immoral. And the fact that so many of them do it has led us to where we are today, constantly having to ask how we'll pay for things.

We can pay for a lot of things. We just are often screwed over by rich *******s who think they're too special to pay taxes, and corrupt politicians who enact laws that support and encourage this behavior.

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So did I say " punishing success"?

Yes or no will work.

And did you lie by posting that?

I should also add this. Do people even care anymore about how they are constantly being lied do?

While disinformation has always been a problem, it's really ramped up lately. It's EVERYWHERE. The current storm and recent storm are shining examples of this.

Trump and Elon are knowingly spreading disinformation, and they are easily disproven by a quick google search. But the problem is, they do not back down when confronted with refuting information. It can't be overstated how dangerous this is. I mean, good Lord, Trump didn't do a 60 minutes interview because he refused to be fact checked, and JD Vance refused to be fact checked at the debate.

The vile lies about Haitians eating pets was just one of many. But Trump is out there actively lying about the federal response to Helene, and now with Milton, just to score political points and make people angry, even if it's at their own expense.

Why don't people care? How does this not bother people? We're so desensitized to Trump's and Elon's rampant dishonesty that we just see it as normal as the sky being blue.

Whatever. Maybe a bunch of people, including a lot of Texas A&M grads think that the truth does not matter. But I do.