dermdoc said:
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Sapper Redux said:
So it's more xenophobic bull***** That seems to be all that's left.
Total projection. I do not believe the fact that legal immigrants who "are different than me" cause any fear or anxiety.
I just want immigration laws followed no matter where the immigrants come from. If they are legal, welcome.
The rhetoric we've heard in recent months suggests this part is not true either.
Do you really want to discuss "rhetoric"? When Kamala says taxing the rich somehow helps the poor? It is all rhetoric. Why didn't she do any of the stuff she is talking about over the last almost 4 years?
Simple question. Should our tax dollars go to citizens who need help before non citizens?
And I know you will say you are disappointed in the dems also but who will you vote for? Because that is all that matters.
Yeah I'm happy to discuss rhetoric actually. And regarding your point, constantly cutting taxes for the rich exacerbates wealth inequality, which has hurt the poor immeasurably in the past generation. This point was laid out in detail earlier in this thread. You dismissed all of it because you think any taxes on the rich are "punishing success."
Why didn't she do it the past 4 years? You are aware that the office of the VP is pretty limited, right? the VP is basically a glorified senator. This talking point is a very obtuse one.
Yeah of course our tax dollars should go to citizens before noncitizens. But there's a lot of mis/disinfo going around regarding noncitizens, and we have a responsibility to push back on it.
Can you post where I said taxing the rich was "punishing success"? I assume with the quotation marks you are saying those are my exact words.
There is zero benefit to anybody by raising taxes on any group. The poor do not get richer by cutting anyone's taxes. And are you saying you want to decrease wealth inequality by taxing the rich? How does it help the poor if the rich have less money? Logically that makes zero sense.
And one more time, should we enforce existing immigration laws?
to be honest I don't see much of a point in rehashing this entire argument. I'll just sum it up by saying that we have the means to pay for programs and things that go toward the public good. Examples include healthcare, infrastructure, schools, transportation, food, emergency relief. We just actively choose not to a lot of the time. Under Republican administrations, we cut funding to these things to pay for rich people's tax cuts. It really is a matter of what we prioritize.
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And should aid to non citizens be stopped so that we can spend on citizens first? Like with the recent hurricanes? What are the dems motives for pushing the aid to non citizens?
and there it is. You, my friend, have fallen victim to Trump's disinformation. FEMA is not sending aid to illegal immigrants from the disaster relief fund. Trump just made that up.
Can you read? I agreed with you that Trump is lying.
The question is why are we giving money/benefits to non citizens?
And can you post where I said "punishing success"? Or are you a liar?
I know we disagree politically, but have I ever done that to you?
the funds people think went to illegal immigrants were from CBP's budget, which funds FEMA's shelter and services program, which goes toward funding temporary housing and food for migrants. This actually started under Trump. and it does not come from FEMA's budget.
Not everything that benefits migrants is going toward undocumented immigrants.
If you didn't use the phrase "punishing success" you certainly implied it. I have a big problem with billionaires and multimillionaries constantly cheating taxes illegally and finding legal loopholes to literally pay less in taxes than me. You may have no issue with that at all, but I do. I think it's wrong. It's immoral. And the fact that so many of them do it has led us to where we are today, constantly having to ask how we'll pay for things.
We can pay for a lot of things. We just are often screwed over by rich *******s who think they're too special to pay taxes, and corrupt politicians who enact laws that support and encourage this behavior.