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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head"

I won't even discuss the Midrash Talpiot

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head"

I won't even discuss the Midrash Talpiot

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So we're doing the meme thing. Cool. Sanhedrin 57 is talking about the authority of the Sanhedrin to level punishment. It can't level a punishment when the matter involves a Jew and a non-Jew. It is not saying killing gentiles is permitted. There is a debate through the pages about the applicability of these rules using extreme examples.

More evidence that you're just quoting bull**** memes: Avodah Zarah doesn't have this quote and the actual quote is from a minor tractate, not the Talmud, referencing killing enemies in war. The rabbi in question is discussing the Egyptians who manned the chariots during the escape from slavery.

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Meme is the best description of the Talmud I've heard. Well said

"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

Are these all memes? What are they meant to accomplish?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

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Let's have a look at the text.

The paragraph that you seem to be referring to is:

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The Gemara challenges: But wherever there is liability for capital punishment, this tanna teaches it; as it is taught in the first clause: With regard to bloodshed, if a gentile murders another gentile, or a gentile murders a Jew, he is liable. If a Jew murders a gentile, he is exempt. Evidently, the term liable is used in the baraita.

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First, a couple of notes about the context:

• "The Gemara" is a complex legal discussion, which often states multiple opinions about a specific Torah law, some of which are later rejected.
• The passage is part of a broader discussion about the Seven Laws of Noah, the universal laws that apply to non-Jews according to Jewish tradition.

It's not saying that Jews are allowed to kill non-Jews with impunity, just that such a case isn't prosecuted as a capital crime in a Jewish court. The passage doesn't address how a non-Jewish court should handle it.

The Torah has an absolute prohibition on murder. (Though, note that "murder" specifically means the killing of a person who is harmless to you, as opposed to warfare or self-defense.) This is stated most famously in Exodus 20:13, as one of the Ten Commandments. Also "Whoever destroys a single life, it is as if he destroyed an entire world" (Sanhedrin 37a), with no qualification on race or religion.

See also Where does the Torah prohibit the killing of non-Jews? on Judaism Stack Exchange.

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What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head

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Avodah Zarah 26b says nothing about killing. Are you sure that's the correct citation?

A Google search attributes the statement to Rabbi Shimon bar Yohai, in Kiddushin.4.11.7 in the Jerusalem Talmud. But it's just his opinion (likely influenced by the cruel rule of Emperor Hadrian), not an actual law.

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head"

I won't even discuss the Midrash Talpiot

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So we're doing the meme thing. Cool. Sanhedrin 57 is talking about the authority of the Sanhedrin to level punishment. It can't level a punishment when the matter involves a Jew and a non-Jew. It is not saying killing gentiles is permitted. There is a debate through the pages about the applicability of these rules using extreme examples.

More evidence that you're just quoting bull**** memes: Avodah Zarah doesn't have this quote and the actual quote is from a minor tractate, not the Talmud, referencing killing enemies in war. The rabbi in question is discussing the Egyptians who manned the chariots during the escape from slavery.

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Meme is the best description of the Talmud I've heard. Well said

"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

Are these all memes? What are they meant to accomplish?

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"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"
On the same page there's an argument from another rabbi that a gentile who engages in Torah study is equal to the High Priest. Funny how you don't quote that saying. Maybe it just says you don't know jack **** about the Talmud and are relying on antisemitic quote mining.

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head"

I won't even discuss the Midrash Talpiot

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So we're doing the meme thing. Cool. Sanhedrin 57 is talking about the authority of the Sanhedrin to level punishment. It can't level a punishment when the matter involves a Jew and a non-Jew. It is not saying killing gentiles is permitted. There is a debate through the pages about the applicability of these rules using extreme examples.

More evidence that you're just quoting bull**** memes: Avodah Zarah doesn't have this quote and the actual quote is from a minor tractate, not the Talmud, referencing killing enemies in war. The rabbi in question is discussing the Egyptians who manned the chariots during the escape from slavery.

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Meme is the best description of the Talmud I've heard. Well said

"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

Are these all memes? What are they meant to accomplish?

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"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"
On the same page there's an argument from another rabbi that a gentile who engages in Torah study is equal to the High Priest. Funny how you don't quote that saying. Maybe it just says you don't know jack **** about the Talmud and are relying on antisemitic quote mining.

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Sounds like a you problem, tbh

No, unfortunately, ignorant antisemitism isn't just a "me problem."

Nvm

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However, the depth and breadth of the persecution point towards a penchant for antagonizing their host.

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It points to a disgusting theology that encourages hatred and violence towards Jews for having the temerity to remain Jews.

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How do jews view goyim?

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As people. People who belong to other nations. Is this where you post a meme either making up Talmud quotes or shaving them of their context?

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What does Sanhedrin 57a say about the different in punishments between a Jew who kills a Jew and a Jew who kills a goy?

What about Avodah Zarah 26b? "The best of the non-Jews; kill him. The best of the snakes, crush their head"

I won't even discuss the Midrash Talpiot

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So we're doing the meme thing. Cool. Sanhedrin 57 is talking about the authority of the Sanhedrin to level punishment. It can't level a punishment when the matter involves a Jew and a non-Jew. It is not saying killing gentiles is permitted. There is a debate through the pages about the applicability of these rules using extreme examples.

More evidence that you're just quoting bull**** memes: Avodah Zarah doesn't have this quote and the actual quote is from a minor tractate, not the Talmud, referencing killing enemies in war. The rabbi in question is discussing the Egyptians who manned the chariots during the escape from slavery.

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Meme is the best description of the Talmud I've heard. Well said

"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

Are these all memes? What are they meant to accomplish?

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You are aware the Old Testament has similar quotes of disparate treatment right? If not so crude as the last quote

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Wonder when the last time Libs of Tik Tok posted video of Israel killing Palestinian Christians?

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This is the first Macarthur post I've ever blue starred

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According to left-wing "thought", crimes against humanity only exist if White people are commiting them.

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According to left-wing "thought", crimes against humanity only exist if White people are commiting them.

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You have proof of that?

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According to left-wing "thought", crimes against humanity only exist if White people are commit[t]ing them.

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It's hard to prove a negative.

But, for example, how many campus protests did leftists have against Sudan when it was killing Dafuri people? Or against Ethiopia during the Tigray War?

I'm sure there were some, but as I recall, these genocides got nowhere near the condemnation that Russia (largely deservedly) or Israel is getting today, despite the high body count.

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Sanhedrin 59a

The prohibition refers to in-depth study of Jewish law that is specific to Jews. A non-Jew following not required of them (such as Shabbat observance) is seen as improper (unless they're in the process of converting to Judaism or otherwise have a good reason for it).

Note that the very same passage says that a gentile who studies the Seven Laws of Noah "is considered like a High Priest".

And also that there is not a single recorded historical instance of a Jewish court actually killing a non-Jew for studying the wrong parts of the Torah. Jews generally treats the death penalty like the state of California does: Something that a lot of people theoretically deserve, but hardly anybody actually gets. The modern State of Israel (albeit a secular state and not a theocracy) has only put two criminals to death in its entire history.

Relevant Q&A on judaism.stackexchange.com.

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"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

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Bava Kamma 37b

This is another one of those rules that applies when Jews and non-Jews have separate legal systems.

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"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

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Yevamot 98a. At least, that's the closest thing I could find. "The offspring of a male gentile is considered no more related to him than the offspring of donkeys and horses."

The context is a discussion of the laws regarding inheritance, incest, intermarriage, paternity, and other family law stuff. A practical application is if a non-Jewish man has children and later converts to Judaism. In Jewish law, his non-Jewish children are not automatically considered his heirs.

And let's face it, there are cultures existing today where paternity is often in question, and where people breed "like animals".

It's not saying that the offspring of a gentile is like a beast in terms of lacking human rights and dignity.

BTW, how come you didn't cite any of your quotes?

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"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

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Sanhedrin 59a

The prohibition refers to in-depth study of Jewish law that is specific to Jews. A non-Jew following not required of them (such as Shabbat observance) is seen as improper (unless they're in the process of converting to Judaism or otherwise have a good reason for it).

Note that the very same passage says that a gentile who studies the Seven Laws of Noah "is considered like a High Priest".

And also that there is not a single recorded historical instance of a Jewish court actually killing a non-Jew for studying the wrong parts of the Torah. Jews generally treats the death penalty like the state of California does: Something that a lot of people theoretically deserve, but hardly anybody actually gets. The modern State of Israel (albeit a secular state and not a theocracy) has only put two criminals to death in its entire history.

Relevant Q&A on judaism.stackexchange.com.

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"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

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Bava Kamma 37b

This is another one of those rules that applies when Jews and non-Jews have separate legal systems.

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"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

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Yevamot 98a. At least, that's the closest thing I could find. "The offspring of a male gentile is considered no more related to him than the offspring of donkeys and horses."

The context is a discussion of the laws regarding inheritance, incest, intermarriage, paternity, and other family law stuff. A practical application is if a non-Jewish man has children and later converts to Judaism. In Jewish law, his non-Jewish children are not automatically considered his heirs.

And let's face it, there are cultures existing today where paternity is often in question, and where people breed "like animals".

It's not saying that the offspring of a gentile is like a beast in terms of lacking human rights and dignity.

BTW, how come you didn't cite any of your quotes?

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I didn't see the need to cite them, are they in the Torah or not?

Also, I had thought you were Christian, are you Jewish as well?

I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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What does that mean?

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Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years of intense study supervised by a rabbi who agrees to support the person.

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"A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death"

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Sanhedrin 59a

The prohibition refers to in-depth study of Jewish law that is specific to Jews. A non-Jew following not required of them (such as Shabbat observance) is seen as improper (unless they're in the process of converting to Judaism or otherwise have a good reason for it).

Note that the very same passage says that a gentile who studies the Seven Laws of Noah "is considered like a High Priest".

And also that there is not a single recorded historical instance of a Jewish court actually killing a non-Jew for studying the wrong parts of the Torah. Jews generally treats the death penalty like the state of California does: Something that a lot of people theoretically deserve, but hardly anybody actually gets. The modern State of Israel (albeit a secular state and not a theocracy) has only put two criminals to death in its entire history.

Relevant Q&A on judaism.stackexchange.com.

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"If the ox of a Jew gores the ox of a canaanite there is no liability, but if an ox of a canaanite gores the ox of a Jew, he pays full damages"

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Bava Kamma 37b

This is another one of those rules that applies when Jews and non-Jews have separate legal systems.

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"The offspring of a gentile is like that of a beast"

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Yevamot 98a. At least, that's the closest thing I could find. "The offspring of a male gentile is considered no more related to him than the offspring of donkeys and horses."

The context is a discussion of the laws regarding inheritance, incest, intermarriage, paternity, and other family law stuff. A practical application is if a non-Jewish man has children and later converts to Judaism. In Jewish law, his non-Jewish children are not automatically considered his heirs.

And let's face it, there are cultures existing today where paternity is often in question, and where people breed "like animals".

It's not saying that the offspring of a gentile is like a beast in terms of lacking human rights and dignity.

BTW, how come you didn't cite any of your quotes?

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I didn't see the need to cite them, are they in the Torah or not?

Also, I had thought you were Christian, are you Jewish as well?

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In a couple cases you've quoted something not in the Talmud but attributed to the Talmud by antisemitic memes propagated by Neo-Nazis. So where did you get your quotes?

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I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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What does that mean?

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Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years of intense study supervised by a rabbi who agrees to support the person.

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"Intense" is relative to the rabbi, and reform (as you know) has all types of rabbis.

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I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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What does that mean?

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Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years of intense study supervised by a rabbi who agrees to support the person.

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"Intense" is relative to the rabbi, and reform (as you know) has all types of rabbis.

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Your hatred of Reform Judaism is repeatedly noted.

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I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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What does that mean?

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Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years of intense study supervised by a rabbi who agrees to support the person.

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"Intense" is relative to the rabbi, and reform (as you know) has all types of rabbis.

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Your hatred of Reform Judaism is repeatedly noted.

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I have a relative that converted. I've got some insight you might not appreciate but nonetheless is true.

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I am a person who admires Judaism, but too lazy to convert.

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What does that mean?

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Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years of intense study supervised by a rabbi who agrees to support the person.

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"Intense" is relative to the rabbi, and reform (as you know) has all types of rabbis.

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Your hatred of Reform Judaism is repeatedly noted.

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I have a relative that converted. I've got some insight you might not appreciate but nonetheless is true.

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Cool. You've got one relative. There aren't very many people that convert to Judaism and of those, very few do conversions that don't meet a minimum standard. If they don't, those conversions are likely to not be recognized by anyone outside of that one synagogue. That goes for Reform congregations, Conservative, and certainly Orthodox. If they didn't go through study, have a formal Mikvah ceremony, a formal Beit Din of 3 rabbis, a Brit Milah or hatafat dam brit (if male), they won't be recognized as properly converted.