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Macarthur said:

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Which of course don't deserve to live.

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What a nasty motive to attribute to someone. You should be ashamed. You're not arguing in good faith.

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You just said in a reply to me that, "they are about to die anyway." Pretty clear you don't give a damn about them.

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What I said was true. It's a sad fact of life. You saying I don't care is a horrible thing to say. It's not true, and It makes you a bad person to make a baseless accusation like that.

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You have accused both of us of being bad people but all we have done is point out that you posted that people that died from covid 'were dying anyway'. That was an incredibly insensitive thing to say, not to mention that it's a very dubious claim. You are aware that people live into old age with 'comorbidities'?

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Macarthur said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Macarthur said:

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Which of course don't deserve to live.

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What a nasty motive to attribute to someone. You should be ashamed. You're not arguing in good faith.

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You just said in a reply to me that, "they are about to die anyway." Pretty clear you don't give a damn about them.

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What I said was true. It's a sad fact of life. You saying I don't care is a horrible thing to say. It's not true, and It makes you a bad person to make a baseless accusation like that.

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You have accused both of us of being bad people but all we have done is point out that you posted that people that died from covid 'were dying anyway'. That was an incredibly insensitive thing to say, not to mention that it's a very dubious claim. You are aware that people live into old age with 'comorbidities'?

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just because you think I was insensitive doesn't mean I dont care. It's not honest, and it was a horrible thing to say. I disagree with you and like I said you're not arguing in good faith. I think you're wrong about the facts, and your perspective. That's fine, but to attribute that motive is wrong.

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Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Which of course don't deserve to live.

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What a nasty motive to attribute to someone. You should be ashamed. You're not arguing in good faith.

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You just said in a reply to me that, "they are about to die anyway." Pretty clear you don't give a damn about them.

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What I said was true. It's a sad fact of life. You saying I don't care is a horrible thing to say. It's not true, and It makes you a bad person to make a baseless accusation like that.

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You have accused both of us of being bad people but all we have done is point out that you posted that people that died from covid 'were dying anyway'. That was an incredibly insensitive thing to say, not to mention that it's a very dubious claim. You are aware that people live into old age with 'comorbidities'?

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just because you think I was insensitive doesn't mean I dont care. It's not honest, and it was a horrible thing to say. I disagree with you and like I said you're not arguing in good faith. I think you're wrong about the facts, and your perspective. That's fine, but to attribute that motive is wrong.

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Well, you said what you said. I guess everyone can read it and come to their own conclusion.

I want to know what 'fact' I am wrong about.

I want to know what I have argued in bad faith.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Cool. You realize they didn't have germ theory in the first century, right?

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The almighty knew about it and gave the Jews rules for the unclean. They mirror closely our CDC guidelines.

Also the sabbath was made for man not man for sabbath. In cases of emergency I have no problem with suspending service.

Covid never was never really that deadly. Based on what we know now, it's more than 99% survivable. I stand by what I said.

If you're skipping church out of convenience, you're sinning.

If you're sick stay home. Simple as that. Same as it's been since before the first century.

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That's a very loaded statement. You do realize that 1% of 350m is 3.5m people? People love to use that 99% survival rate but don't really dive into what that really means.

And death is not the only metric of damage done by this. We're still learning but as many as 30% of folks that got moderate to severe symptoms have what they're calling long covid which will have life long affects.

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Bad take not everyone will catch it, and its actually significantly lower than 1 percent.

Long covid is extremely rare.

75% who died had 4 comorbidities or more.

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It's over 1% of those who caught Covid. Long Covid affects millions. And those with 4 comorbidities are equal to you in value.

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Sure they are, but they are about to die anyways, and are what we call shut ins. They don't get to come to church much anyways.

For the vast majority of people it's about as serious as the flu. For young and healthy people they need to be at work, school, and church for their mental, and spiritual health.

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Macarthur said:

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Cool. You realize they didn't have germ theory in the first century, right?

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The almighty knew about it and gave the Jews rules for the unclean. They mirror closely our CDC guidelines.

Also the sabbath was made for man not man for sabbath. In cases of emergency I have no problem with suspending service.

Covid never was never really that deadly. Based on what we know now, it's more than 99% survivable. I stand by what I said.

If you're skipping church out of convenience, you're sinning.

If you're sick stay home. Simple as that. Same as it's been since before the first century.

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That's a very loaded statement. You do realize that 1% of 350m is 3.5m people? People love to use that 99% survival rate but don't really dive into what that really means.

And death is not the only metric of damage done by this. We're still learning but as many as 30% of folks that got moderate to severe symptoms have what they're calling long covid which will have life long affects.

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Bad take not everyone will catch it, and its actually significantly lower than 1 percent.

Long covid is extremely rare.

75% who died had 4 comorbidities or more.

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It's over 1% of those who caught Covid. Long Covid affects millions. And those with 4 comorbidities are equal to you in value.

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Sure they are, but they are about to die anyways, and are what we call shut ins. They don't get to come to church much anyways.

For the vast majority of people it's about as serious as the flu. For young and healthy people they need to be at work, school, and church for their mental, and spiritual health.

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This is the part that I object. There are thousands of people that have died from Covid that were NOT 'about to die anyway'. That is incredibly insesitive and factually incorrect. People live with ailments for decades. I really think you need to rethink this take.

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COVID and livestreaming are absolutely becoming a lame excuse for some.

If you're skipping church out of convenience at this point you are sinning.

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Do they get a pass if they make sure their tithe gets delivered on time?

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I know quite a few folks that used to attend church regularly before COVID started, but now skip church using COVID as the excuse. They won't go to church, but continue to go to work, the grocery store, etc. Guess they were looking for an excuse to come along. Just an observation.

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Pretty sure it's hard to eat without a job and without getting groceries. I'm not sure standing indoors in often poorly ventilated buildings while dozens of people sing at the top of their lungs is the definition of caution.

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Unless you're in a very at risk group at this point (that can't get the vaccine), this is the very definition of living in fear.

To the original comments.... my diocese just reinstated the Sunday mass 'obligation'. I think it will take a long time (if ever) to get attendance back to where it was. Too many people have gotten comfortable not going to church for it to change soon.

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Baloney.

Friday, I think it was, we had over 3000 covid deaths in the US. That's a 9/11.

And not just using the death metric, how about people that don't get time off but have to leave their job because they're positive. That's 5 days, best case. That's a full week's paycheck. I can't believe some people don't get this.

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I know quite a few folks that used to attend church regularly before COVID started, but now skip church using COVID as the excuse. They won't go to church, but continue to go to work, the grocery store, etc. Guess they were looking for an excuse to come along. Just an observation.

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Pretty sure it's hard to eat without a job and without getting groceries. I'm not sure standing indoors in often poorly ventilated buildings while dozens of people sing at the top of their lungs is the definition of caution.

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Unless you're in a very at risk group at this point (that can't get the vaccine), this is the very definition of living in fear.

To the original comments.... my diocese just reinstated the Sunday mass 'obligation'. I think it will take a long time (if ever) to get attendance back to where it was. Too many people have gotten comfortable not going to church for it to change soon.

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Baloney.

Friday, I think it was, we had over 3000 covid deaths in the US. That's a 9/11.

And not just using the death metric, how about people that don't get time off but have to leave their job because they're positive. That's 5 days, best case. That's a full week's paycheck. I can't believe some people don't get this.

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Another 3800 dead Wednesday. Again, it's mind boggling what we did to make sure 9/11 never happened again, yet fairly insignificant personal inconveniences are so controversial.

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Sure they are, but they are about to die anyways, and are what we call shut ins. They don't get to come to church much anyways.
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When we make comparisons of heated and difficult subjects, should we not ensure a clear and useful comparison?

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I know quite a few folks that used to attend church regularly before COVID started, but now skip church using COVID as the excuse. They won't go to church, but continue to go to work, the grocery store, etc. Guess they were looking for an excuse to come along. Just an observation.

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Pretty sure it's hard to eat without a job and without getting groceries. I'm not sure standing indoors in often poorly ventilated buildings while dozens of people sing at the top of their lungs is the definition of caution.

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Unless you're in a very at risk group at this point (that can't get the vaccine), this is the very definition of living in fear.

To the original comments.... my diocese just reinstated the Sunday mass 'obligation'. I think it will take a long time (if ever) to get attendance back to where it was. Too many people have gotten comfortable not going to church for it to change soon.

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Baloney.

Friday, I think it was, we had over 3000 covid deaths in the US. That's a 9/11.

And not just using the death metric, how about people that don't get time off but have to leave their job because they're positive. That's 5 days, best case. That's a full week's paycheck. I can't believe some people don't get this.

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Another 3800 dead Wednesday. Again, it's mind boggling what we did to make sure 9/11 never happened again, yet fairly insignificant personal inconveniences are so controversial.

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The is such a disingenuous false comparison and you know it. You should be ashamed for making it twice on the same thread.

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Now do abortion.

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Abortion is an evil abomination. What's wrong with you?

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It kills more and also requires these minimal life changes. We're all highly attuned to our tribes' priorities and this is no different. The 9/11 comparison is selectively used when someone wants to elicit a response for their pet cause. Covid is macarthur's.

Edit: people in nursing homes usually die within a year or being put there (the majority within 6 months if memory serves). Mortality has always been high for this group. It's not a lack of sympathy but an understanding of life expectancy that makes the death of the young tragic and the old unavoidable. Hence giving a parachute to the old and keeping the young to die in a plane crash seems a better comparison. The highest risk group is not the majority of the population but people whose minor illnesses, no matter the cause, will turn into big things. If you say we're having a 9/11 of extremely unhealthy or elderly people it's tragic but also unavoidable; it is the nature of age and health conditions.

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It kills more and also requires these minimal life changes. We're all highly attuned to our tribes' priorities and this is no different. The 9/11 comparison is selectively used when someone wants to elicit a response for their pet cause. Covid is macarthur's.

Edit: people in nursing homes usually die within a year or being put there (the majority within 6 months if memory serves). Mortality has always been high for this group. It's not a lack of sympathy but an understanding of life expectancy that makes the death of the young tragic and the old unavoidable. Hence giving a parachute to the old and keeping the young to die in a plane crash seems a better comparison. The highest risk group is not the majority of the population but people whose minor illnesses, no matter the cause, will turn into big things. If you say we're having a 9/11 of extremely unhealthy or elderly people it's tragic but also unavoidable; it is the nature of age and health conditions.

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Man, I just find this very wrong minded.

Your analogy assumes that young and healthy taking certain steps (vaccine, masks) to protect the most vulnerable is some sort of death sentence.

And lastly, the whole point is that having a 9/11 everyday, regardless of their health status, WAS avoidable. If you want to go all the way back to the beginning when one administration literally handed the next administration a HANDBOOK on how to deal with pandemics, and it was completely ignored, this thing was almost 99.99999% avoidable. Beyond that, there were still fatal missteps that could have significantly lowered death rates and time frame of this deal.

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Who says it's not useful? A 9/11 is happening daily we all took on significant lifestyle changes in the wake of it back in 2001. Now, daily "version" is happening and we cannot be asked.

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It never ceases to amaze me that the folks that screamed the loudest about us needing to get back to normal always seemed to be the same ones that were unwilling to take the reasonable and minimal steps to help slow the spread of this thing.

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Isn't getting infected and developing antibodies reasonable and minimal? It's better than being injected and uninfected. And if we'd done it all up front we'd be in a different place right now, potentially with fewer sick from flurona and serious colds since we wouldn't have ducked pathogens for a year and a half. The histrionics have to stop.

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I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying. Are you saying we should have done nothing from the beginning and tried to reach heard immunity quickly and 'naturally'?

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There are two thoughts for you to contend with.

One: plenty of people have gotten sick and recovered, thus ides of COVID cries as a ploy for continued kabuki theater fall flat. Anyone who wants to be jabbed can be; supply is not an issue. That's one of the reasons we're comfortable getting back to normal; we've gotten the antibodies.

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So I assume that since you used the term kabuki theater, you don't think Covid is a threat , at all, or you just think those of us that still favor some mitigation are doing this as a part of some act? I think that's pretty sad that so many seem to think that those that think that way are doing this for fun, or worse, that there's some sort of sinister plan to take away freedoms. I find that incredibly ironic given the previous parallels I pointed out with 9/11. So many had no issues giving up freedoms to stop 'terrorism'.

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Two: we'd be in a different place is what I said. Maybe worse, maybe better, but different nonetheless. There's no re-running the model to say it would have gone one way or the other.

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Well, we most certainly would have more people dead. I guess that doesn't matter?

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Which of course don't deserve to live.

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