jrico2727 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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jrico2727 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dargscisyhp said:

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Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.

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Which ones? As vile as killing babies?

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I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.

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How does it help a teenage rape victim mentally to then add to their trauma the guilt of murder? Evil added to evil doesn't lead to less evil.

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Are you a woman? Have you been raped? Have you been pregnant?

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My anatomy doesn't determine my ability to know right from wrong. Poor effort on your part.
Please let me know how 2 evils = 1 good

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dargscisyhp said:

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Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.

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Which ones? As vile as killing babies?

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I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.

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kurt vonnegut said:

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What is Hell like and who goes there? Obviously you haven't been to Hell and you aren't the one that decides who goes there. What do you believe it is like?

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

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Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

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Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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jrico2727 said:

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Not to speak for Doc but I am pretty sure he was referring to your disgusting tantrum.
Where you are mocking the death of someone' s children for the love of abortion.
And the law to protect life is evil?

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larry culpepper said:

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jrico2727 said:

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Not to speak for Doc but I am pretty sure he was referring to your disgusting tantrum.
Where you are mocking the death of someone' s children for the love of abortion.
And the law to protect life is evil?

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Mocking? How in the world was I mocking that poster's situation?

I am sorry that happened to his family, and I am glad he were not put through additional unnecessary pain that would absolutely have been allowed under this law.

edit: different poster

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

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Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

---

Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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I think the chances of that happening are extremely slim which is I'm not worried about being charged with a suspected abortion regardless of what happens in the future. Reasonable suspicion is reasonable suspicion and miscarrying does not reach that standard, nor do I believe it reasonable for you to worry that it would.

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I think it's naive to think this wont happen.

Consider this scenario.

Couple tells friends they are pregnant. Yay. Let's celebrate. They tell more people and news spreads.

Weeks pass. Couple gets devastating news. They are heartbroken. They are not ready to tell people and are keeping the situation private as they work through their pain.

Well news had already spread to Joe Schmo who is active in the local right to life chapter. He is very politically active and has sued numerous abortion providers in the county.

He sees the woman out and about but not showing. Wait, didn't she announce she was pregnant months ago? Something fishy is going on here. She may have gotten an abortion and not told anyone. Or maybe she's lying and saying she miscarried.

Joe Schmo isn't going to stand for this. Joe files suit against the couple. Her for aborting and the husband on suspicion of him driving her to the clinic. No risk in filing, worst case scenario it gets dismissed. Best case he gets MONEY!!

Now the couple is stuck litigating a case and spending money on lawyers because of some nosey ******* who thinks he's being noble and in reality is just reopening a wound.


If you think this won't happen, you are being naive.

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

---

Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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I think the chances of that happening are extremely slim which is I'm not worried about being charged with a suspected abortion regardless of what happens in the future. Reasonable suspicion is reasonable suspicion and miscarrying does not reach that standard, nor do I believe it reasonable for you to worry that it would.

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I think it's naive to think this wont happen.

Consider this scenario.

Couple tells friends they are pregnant. Yay. Let's celebrate. They tell more people and news spreads.

Weeks pass. Couple gets devastating news. They are heartbroken. They are not ready to tell people and are keeping the situation private as they work through their pain.

Well news had already spread to Joe Schmo who is active in the local right to life chapter. He is very politically active and has sued numerous abortion providers in the county.

He sees the woman out and about but not showing. Wait, didn't she announce she was pregnant months ago? Something fishy is going on here. She may have gotten an abortion and not told anyone. Or maybe she's lying and saying she miscarried.

Joe Schmo isn't going to stand for this. Joe files suit against the couple. Her for aborting and the husband on suspicion of him driving her to the clinic. No risk in filing, worst case scenario it gets dismissed. Best case he gets MONEY!!

Now the couple is stuck litigating a case and spending money on lawyers because of some nosey ******* who thinks he's being noble and in reality is just reopening a wound.


If you think this won't happen, you are being naive.

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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larry culpepper said:

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dermdoc said:

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Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?

However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.

This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.

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Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.

Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.

But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.

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Really man. Bad bull.

There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.

Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.

It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.

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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.

Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).

We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.

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We do have funerals for miscarriages. Absolutely. I consider myself to have 5 children even though I only have 2 living. Anyone who doesn't is only doing so to hide the pain.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

And I'm glad no one sued you or your wife for any of those 3 miscarriages as suspected abortions, which they can do under this new Texas law. They can sue both her and you for aiding and abetting an abortion. Even if you didn't have one, they could have reasonable suspicion you did. Then you are tied up in a legal battle, spending money on lawyers while you are going through an incredibly painful family situation and dealing with an evil, malicious bully who wants some money from you because you might have aborted one of those babies, even though you didn't. There's a chance they could convince a jury you did, though. Then you're on the hook for $10k plus their attorney's fees.

I'm so glad that didn't happen to you. That would have been so evil to put you through that.

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I think the chances of that happening are extremely slim which is I'm not worried about being charged with a suspected abortion regardless of what happens in the future. Reasonable suspicion is reasonable suspicion and miscarrying does not reach that standard, nor do I believe it reasonable for you to worry that it would.

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I think it's naive to think this wont happen.

Consider this scenario.

Couple tells friends they are pregnant. Yay. Let's celebrate. They tell more people and news spreads.

Weeks pass. Couple gets devastating news. They are heartbroken. They are not ready to tell people and are keeping the situation private as they work through their pain.

Well news had already spread to Joe Schmo who is active in the local right to life chapter. He is very politically active and has sued numerous abortion providers in the county.

He sees the woman out and about but not showing. Wait, didn't she announce she was pregnant months ago? Something fishy is going on here. She may have gotten an abortion and not told anyone. Or maybe she's lying and saying she miscarried.

Joe Schmo isn't going to stand for this. Joe files suit against the couple. Her for aborting and the husband on suspicion of him driving her to the clinic. No risk in filing, worst case scenario it gets dismissed. Best case he gets MONEY!!

Now the couple is stuck litigating a case and spending money on lawyers because of some nosey ******* who thinks he's being noble and in reality is just reopening a wound.


If you think this won't happen, you are being naive.

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This is maybe the most ridiculous example I've ever heard about. It sounds like a Daily Kos caricature of someone whose never actually met a conservative or a christian.

Also, are you sure it allows people to sue women? I thought it was just the clinics?

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dermdoc said:

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And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is maybe the most ridiculous example I've ever heard about. It sounds like a Daily Kos caricature of someone whose never actually met a conservative or a christian.

Also, are you sure it allows people to sue women? I thought it was just the clinics?

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larry culpepper said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is maybe the most ridiculous example I've ever heard about. It sounds like a Daily Kos caricature of someone whose never actually met a conservative or a christian.

Also, are you sure it allows people to sue women? I thought it was just the clinics?

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I've met plenty of conservative Christians. I grew up in Texas and went to A&M. While I like many of them and consider some of them friends, and some are family, my interactions with them were probably the tipping point that ultimately led to me renouncing my Christianity and leaving the church for good. You can feel the hatred in Rebel Infantry's post above and the numerous posts in Forum 16 on a daily basis.

If the law doesnt allow suits against the women, thats my mistake. But it absolutely does allow suits against providers and anyone who aids or abets an abortion, which has very broad applicability.

It's a terrible law and is blatantly unconstitutional when it comes to legal standing.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Completely disregarding religion for the moment, science is unable to determine when a life has rights, but it can determine when a new entity with unique DNA has been formed, and the first step has occurred in the chain reaction that leads to birth.

Since it's completely arbitrary where you draw the line where a life has rights, it only makes sense to be as conservative as possible. If you say that a life has rights at 6 months, and before that you can abort it, and later the definition is changed to 6 weeks; 4.1/2 months worth of people have been killed.

Given the literal life or death consequences inherent in this decision, it is only reasonable that we err as conservative as possible.

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