Here's the great philosopher Ali G on the subject
Since we're doing abortion again
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Damn, the musical number was really good.
Very saddening how such a thing as ripping a baby out of the place where it should feel the most love and safety in the world, and killing it, is a laughing matter to some.
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
Do you believe in Hell?
Maybe a rhetorical question, but I'll answer anyway.
"Yes"
"Yes"
What is Hell like and who goes there? Obviously you haven't been to Hell and you aren't the one that decides who goes there. What do you believe it is like?
https://www.orthodoxroad.com/heaven-hell/
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Interesting article. Thanks
Yeah that's where I am on the subject, but probably align closer to Thought #2. I see it as a refiner's fire that "burns" away the impurities. Just like the older brother, it's a painful process, but I think eventually all will be reconciled to Him and those "impurities" separating us from Him will be done away with.
Well he holds and professes the Catholic faith, so you could start there.
I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
With all due respect that is less than 1% of abortions.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
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A single mom on minimum wage does not have zero government assistance. Not to mention all the non-profit assistance and adoption agencies.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
and they are wholly relevant now. We can talk about the most extreme of circumstances because they are made illegal by this new law.dermdoc said:With all due respect that is less than 1% of abortions.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
And most pro-lifers are fighting to end that too. because of personal responsibility, socialism, etc.
Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?
However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.
This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.
However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.
This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.
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larry culpepper said:and they are wholly relevant now. We can talk about the most extreme of circumstances because they are made illegal by this new law.dermdoc said:With all due respect that is less than 1% of abortions.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
This is an inverted value system when your own suffering means you can murder others.
The flip side is that rape will be harder to hide. Traffickers and familial abusers are users of PP and abortion services because it allows them to continue the abuse without calling attention to it.
How does it help a teenage rape victim mentally to then add to their trauma the guilt of murder? Evil added to evil doesn't lead to less evil.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
Are you a woman? Have you been raped? Have you been pregnant?jrico2727 said:How does it help a teenage rape victim mentally to then add to their trauma the guilt of murder? Evil added to evil doesn't lead to less evil.larry culpepper said:I'll go ahead and start with the notion that we should force teenage rape victims to carry their babies to term and provide for it with zero government assistance, on minimum wage, all while being forced to deal with the trauma from it.Joe Boudain said:dargscisyhp said:
Homie, trust me, I find some of your views just as vile.
Which ones? As vile as killing babies?
While you are entitled to your opinion on abortion, if you answered no to all three of those questions you really are not in any position to act like you know what's best for someone who has been in that position. You have no idea what that kind of trauma is like, and while you can admit "yeah i'm sure it's traumatic" you still are not appreciating the situation these women and girls are going through.
And not everyone believes that abortion at all stages is murder. If you do, fine. But it's not your place to govern their lives like this. Hate abortion all you want, but this is why I think it should be a legally available option.
Strange how it's usually men who advocate for laws forcing rape victims to carry babies to term and provide for that baby. It's almost as if they have a 0% chance of being put in a situation like that.
Question
If one thinks abortion is murder aren't they morally obligated to be against it completely? Are some murders "okay"?
And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.
If one thinks abortion is murder aren't they morally obligated to be against it completely? Are some murders "okay"?
And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.
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Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.dermdoc said:
Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?
However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.
This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.
Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.
But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.
Really man. Bad bull.larry culpepper said:Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.dermdoc said:
Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?
However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.
This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.
Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.
But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.
There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.
Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.
It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.
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Yes this is the dividing point and is why the abortion debate will never find middle ground.dermdoc said:
Question
If one thinks abortion is murder aren't they morally obligated to be against it completely? Are some murders "okay"?
And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.
Yes they will be against it, and that's their right. Where I take issue is when they impose that view on the state or country.
No, I do not believe abortion in the first trimester is murder. I also don't like the idea of terminating a pregnancy. But I acknowledge that people's situations are different from mine and it's none of the government's business to stick their nose into this. Especially when it's rich male politicians who have no ****ing clue what the women are going through (which almost always seems to be the case).
Aren't all laws due to legislature imposing the views of the people who elect them? Why is this different? If the voters of Texas disagree, they will vote them out and new laws will be made. That is how this works.larry culpepper said:Yes this is the dividing point and is why the abortion debate will never find middle ground.dermdoc said:
Question
If one thinks abortion is murder aren't they morally obligated to be against it completely? Are some murders "okay"?
And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.
Yes they will be against it, and that's their right. Where I take issue is when they impose that view on the state or country.
No, I do not believe abortion in the first trimester is murder. I also don't like the idea of terminating a pregnancy. But I acknowledge that people's situations are different from mine and it's none of the government's business to stick their nose into this. Especially when it's rich male politicians who have no ****ing clue what the women are going through (which almost always seems to be the case).
I mean, I do not want my tax dollars going to all the infrastructure stuff Biden is proposing. In fact, I am not in favor of any of Biden's legislation. But my role as a Christian is following the law by the elected authorities. If I want a change, my side needs to win more elections. Same for you.
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i would hope regardless of your stance on abortion, you can admit that this texas law is a cluster**** waiting to happen. it's wild to me that the supreme court is letting it stand for now.
except for the gaming of the system with gerrymandering.dermdoc said:Aren't all laws due to legislature imposing the views of the people who elect them? Why is this different? If the voters of Texas disagree, they will vote them out and new laws will be made. That is how this works.larry culpepper said:Yes this is the dividing point and is why the abortion debate will never find middle ground.dermdoc said:
Question
If one thinks abortion is murder aren't they morally obligated to be against it completely? Are some murders "okay"?
And this is the dividing point, is it murder or is it not? I think it is.
Yes they will be against it, and that's their right. Where I take issue is when they impose that view on the state or country.
No, I do not believe abortion in the first trimester is murder. I also don't like the idea of terminating a pregnancy. But I acknowledge that people's situations are different from mine and it's none of the government's business to stick their nose into this. Especially when it's rich male politicians who have no ****ing clue what the women are going through (which almost always seems to be the case).
Why?schmendeler said:
i would hope regardless of your stance on abortion, you can admit that this texas law is a cluster**** waiting to happen. it's wild to me that the supreme court is letting it stand for now.
If it is that bad, the voters will speak. That is how this works.
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contracting out the enforcement of laws to vigilantes seems like a problem to me.dermdoc said:Why?schmendeler said:
i would hope regardless of your stance on abortion, you can admit that this texas law is a cluster**** waiting to happen. it's wild to me that the supreme court is letting it stand for now.
A little hyperbole? Maybe?schmendeler said:contracting out the enforcement of laws to vigilantes seems like a problem to me.dermdoc said:Why?schmendeler said:
i would hope regardless of your stance on abortion, you can admit that this texas law is a cluster**** waiting to happen. it's wild to me that the supreme court is letting it stand for now.
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I don't feel bad about pulling the rich Republican card because it's true. I'm not saying you are included in that group, but if their woman needs an abortion they'll get it for them as they always have. This affects low and middle income women. And I'm picking on Republicans because they vote for and pass these types of laws.dermdoc said:Really man. Bad bull.larry culpepper said:Because of how extreme the new law is, yes it absolutely is about these extreme circumstances. Rape, incest, fetal deformities where the mother knows the baby wont survive outside the womb. Extreme situations that no one ever wants to be put in, that cause a world of pain for the mother. This is why I believe abortion should be legal. And it's why I think laws that completely disregard these situations and add to the pain, are evil.dermdoc said:
Again with all due respect, they can still get an bottom until the heartbeat which I believe is six months, correct?
However horrid rape is, that is not what this is about.
This is about limiting abortion for convenience which is the vast majority of abortions. And consensual sex not rape.
Yes I am aware people get abortions for convenience. If you don't like that, fine. I don't like it either. But I have read up enough on this to know that making them self-administer illegal abortions isn't the answer either. I have always advocated for solutions that actually lower unplanned pregnancies and therefore abortions, such as comprehensive education and wider access to contraceptives that have PROVEN to work in other states and countries that have taken that approach.
But for some reason we keep harping on making abortion illegal, which when it all boils down to it just makes it illegal for low income women. Rich Republican men will always find a way to get their girlfriends, wives, and mistresses an abortion.
There are so many straw men in your post it is difficult to discuss. We have rape victims and congenital problems which are a minuscule part of the abortion equation as you know.
Then the "rich, Republican card? C'mon man. No need for stooping to this kind of caricature.
It all comes down to whether you believe abortion is murder as I do. If you do not think it is murder then everything becomes relative.
Abortion is by far the most controversial subject in American political discourse and will continue to be for a long time. I do not believe that it is murder in the first trimester. I am not sure about the early stages of the second. And I think society agrees with me on that. We do not count them on the census, we do not have funerals for miscarriages, and we do not arrest and prosecute women who miscarry or have a period that contains fertilized eggs (though with Greg Abbott as governor this can never be ruled out).
We can downplay these "rare" situations all you want but they are absolutely relevant when the laws we pass do not provide exceptions for them.
Elections have consequences.
Barack Obama
And do you have a link to this supposed fact about rich Republicans?
Thanks.
Barack Obama
And do you have a link to this supposed fact about rich Republicans?
Thanks.
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And the majority of all medical procedures are performed on the poor and middle class. There are a lot less rich people than them.
Abortion is the only medical procedure that seeks death.
Abortion is the only medical procedure that seeks death.
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Couldnt agree more. It's not even about the 6 week ban. It's more so the BSC provision that deputizes private citizens to sue anyone they suspect of having an abortion or aiding and abetting an abortion. They can sue the damn Uber driver who takes the woman to the clinic. And automatic $10k plus attorney's fees if they win?schmendeler said:
i would hope regardless of your stance on abortion, you can admit that this texas law is a cluster**** waiting to happen. it's wild to me that the supreme court is letting it stand for now.
Absolutely inexcusable of the Supreme Court. This is a clear constitutional violation of decades of precedent on legal standing. This law is designed to torment women in situations that are already extremely stressful, and allows political activists to bully them with litigation. It is dystopian and evil to the core.
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