dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Turn the other cheek and judge not are the two most misunderstood verses in the bible. This is why God gave us a church to lead us to proper understanding. We understand this as hyperbole, much as we understand we're not to actually pluck our eyes out nor cut our hands off, as we would all be blind and handless if that were the case.

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So please tell me your interpretation of those verses.

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The same lesson as taught with the parables and hyperbole used elsewhere in the Bible; not to let your pride lead you into temptation, the difference between selfish anger (this person disrespected me so I'm going to disrespect him back) and righteous anger (these money changers are profaning my father's house and will be driven out with a whip)

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Can you even be open to the possibility that they may exhibit natural virtues? Perhaps I'm too given to extending the benefit of the doubt to people like the OP, our country's adversaries, and even lawyers.

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Not really. It's the Taliban. If they have any of these virtues, it shouldn't be that hard for you to tell me what they are. Otherwise this just seems like you're trying to gloss over an objectively horrible OP because he's on ostensibly on your team. I don't think an atheist starting a post saying "You know, Mao on Pol Pot had some really good ideas and we should do that too!" would get the same treatment.

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Seeing reports that they are banning abortion. Heard something about porn as well.

My original reason for chiming in was not a gloss over, but to encourage op to be more specific in his endorsement or whatever. The same would apply to your example.

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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Can you even be open to the possibility that they may exhibit natural virtues? Perhaps I'm too given to extending the benefit of the doubt to people like the OP, our country's adversaries, and even lawyers.

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Not really. It's the Taliban. If they have any of these virtues, it shouldn't be that hard for you to tell me what they are. Otherwise this just seems like you're trying to gloss over an objectively horrible OP because he's on ostensibly on your team. I don't think an atheist starting a post saying "You know, Mao on Pol Pot had some really good ideas and we should do that too!" would get the same treatment.

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Seeing reports that they are banning abortion. Heard something about porn as well.

My original reason for chiming in was not a gloss over, but to encourage op to be more specific in his endorsement or whatever. The same would apply to your example.

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Given the OP has flat out said that I should be in prison, I don't think his pro-Taliban tendencies are really limited to porn and abortion. He likes their bigotry, especially with how violent and oppressive that bigotry manifests itself.

Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

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It's like you skipped Christ telling people to sell cloaks for swords and praising the faith of Centurions. You're claiming the church in 250 AD lost track of the actual faith, and it was only reclaimed 1000 years later?

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Is every last jot and tittle about these people evil?

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Sure seems to be the case from everything I've read, but I'm all ears to whatever redeeming qualities you think they might have that we could benefit from implementing here.

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IIRC the Taliban did try (not sure how much it was lip service) to eradicate bacha-bazi from Afghan culture.

Bacha-bazi being the pre-Islamic Afghan tradition of raping young boys.

dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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His point is obvious, except to those with deadened hearts. We are to be missionaries to His Kingdom, which is not of this world. We aren't to use violence (antichrist means) to try to do something He even rejected. He rejected the temptation of political power...repeatedly. We are to be missionaries of His Kingdom. We point to His Kingdom rooted in radical love of enemies. We aren't to use the bludgeon, bombs, guns, swords to force His Kingdom onto this world.

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Is every last jot and tittle about these people evil?

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Sure seems to be the case from everything I've read, but I'm all ears to whatever redeeming qualities you think they might have that we could benefit from implementing here.

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IIRC the Taliban did try (not sure how much it was lip service) to eradicate bacha-bazi from Afghan culture.

Bacha-bazi being the pre-Islamic Afghan tradition of raping young boys.

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Joe Boudain said:

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canadiaggie said:

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Is every last jot and tittle about these people evil?

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Sure seems to be the case from everything I've read, but I'm all ears to whatever redeeming qualities you think they might have that we could benefit from implementing here.

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IIRC the Taliban did try (not sure how much it was lip service) to eradicate bacha-bazi from Afghan culture.

Bacha-bazi being the pre-Islamic Afghan tradition of raping young boys.

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That being said, eradicating one crappy practice does not make up for their millions of other crappy practices, nor does it change the fact that Omar was the ISI's beyatch let loose to make sure India and the Russians didn't gain a foothold in their backyard.

Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

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It's like you skipped Christ telling people to sell cloaks for swords and praising the faith of Centurions. You're claiming the church in 250 AD lost track of the actual faith, and it was only reclaimed 1000 years later?

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Ah, Luke 22:36! There it is! Thank you for showing me that you suck at this hermeneutics thing. Luke 22:36 isn't about arming oneself. He states it in the very next verse. Goodness. It was solely about the fulfillment of a prophecy that He "be numbered among transgressors". If it was about arming oneself for defense, then two swords would not have been enough. Plus, when one of those two swords was actually used, Christ immediately rebuked its use and condemned Christian participation in the cycle of violence (those who take up the sword will die by the sword).

Thank you for referencing that verse. It's always a great litmus test to see who doesn't "get it".

Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

Joe Boudain said:

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canadiaggie said:

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Beer Baron said:

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Is every last jot and tittle about these people evil?

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Sure seems to be the case from everything I've read, but I'm all ears to whatever redeeming qualities you think they might have that we could benefit from implementing here.

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IIRC the Taliban did try (not sure how much it was lip service) to eradicate bacha-bazi from Afghan culture.

Bacha-bazi being the pre-Islamic Afghan tradition of raping young boys.

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Wow! Now you're using images that use white supremacist terms like 'ZOG' in it, and in the context of its use, is implying that Jews like child rape, therefore hate the Taliban.

You are sick.

PacifistAg said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

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It's like you skipped Christ telling people to sell cloaks for swords and praising the faith of Centurions. You're claiming the church in 250 AD lost track of the actual faith, and it was only reclaimed 1000 years later?

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Ah, Luke 22:36! There it is! Thank you for showing me that you suck at this hermeneutics thing. Luke 22:36 isn't about arming oneself. He states it in the very next verse. Goodness. It was solely about the fulfillment of a prophecy that He "be numbered among transgressors". If it was about arming oneself for defense, then two swords would not have been enough. Plus, when one of those two swords was actually used, Christ immediately rebuked its use and condemned Christian participation in the cycle of violence (those who take up the sword will die by the sword).

Thank you for referencing that verse. It's always a great litmus test to see who doesn't "get it".

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Christ only rebuked the use of the sword in the Garden because he had to fulfill the Passion, not from the actual use of the sword, as he explains.

Furthermore, the Lord wouldn't tell someone to arming themselves if arming themselves was a sin, there wouldn't be a prophecy that would make the Lord do something that could be sinful.

dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

---

His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

---

My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

---

Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

PacifistAg said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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canadiaggie said:

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Beer Baron said:

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Is every last jot and tittle about these people evil?

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Sure seems to be the case from everything I've read, but I'm all ears to whatever redeeming qualities you think they might have that we could benefit from implementing here.

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IIRC the Taliban did try (not sure how much it was lip service) to eradicate bacha-bazi from Afghan culture.

Bacha-bazi being the pre-Islamic Afghan tradition of raping young boys.

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Wow! Now you're using images that use white supremacist terms like 'ZOG' in it, and in the context of its use, is implying that Jews like child rape, therefore hate the Taliban.

You are sick.

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I don't have your encyclopedic knowledge of microagressions sorry

Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

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It's like you skipped Christ telling people to sell cloaks for swords and praising the faith of Centurions. You're claiming the church in 250 AD lost track of the actual faith, and it was only reclaimed 1000 years later?

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Ah, Luke 22:36! There it is! Thank you for showing me that you suck at this hermeneutics thing. Luke 22:36 isn't about arming oneself. He states it in the very next verse. Goodness. It was solely about the fulfillment of a prophecy that He "be numbered among transgressors". If it was about arming oneself for defense, then two swords would not have been enough. Plus, when one of those two swords was actually used, Christ immediately rebuked its use and condemned Christian participation in the cycle of violence (those who take up the sword will die by the sword).

Thank you for referencing that verse. It's always a great litmus test to see who doesn't "get it".

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Christ only rebuked the use of the sword in the Garden because he had to fulfill the Passion, not from the actual use of the sword, as he explains.

Furthermore, the Lord wouldn't tell someone to arming themselves if arming themselves was a sin, there wouldn't be a prophecy that would make the Lord do something that could be sinful.

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Nobody said having a weapon is a sin. Using it to harm one who bears the image of God is. And "those who take up the sword will die by the sword" isn't about the Passion. It is a clear condemnation of the cycle of violence. The wording is clear.

You love ignoring or dismissing what Christ actually said.

Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

---

My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

---

Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

---

I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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So we are anti-christ if we think the government should prosecute crimes? You're not making any sense, you're just spouting one sentence tangents.

dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

---

My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

---

Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

---

I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

PacifistAg said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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It's like these people just skip over the 200-300 years before the Church got into bed with the state, and what the church fathers had to say on violence, the military, etc.

https://enemylove.com/40-early-church-quotes-on-violence-enemy-love-patriotism/

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It's like you skipped Christ telling people to sell cloaks for swords and praising the faith of Centurions. You're claiming the church in 250 AD lost track of the actual faith, and it was only reclaimed 1000 years later?

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Ah, Luke 22:36! There it is! Thank you for showing me that you suck at this hermeneutics thing. Luke 22:36 isn't about arming oneself. He states it in the very next verse. Goodness. It was solely about the fulfillment of a prophecy that He "be numbered among transgressors". If it was about arming oneself for defense, then two swords would not have been enough. Plus, when one of those two swords was actually used, Christ immediately rebuked its use and condemned Christian participation in the cycle of violence (those who take up the sword will die by the sword).

Thank you for referencing that verse. It's always a great litmus test to see who doesn't "get it".

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Christ only rebuked the use of the sword in the Garden because he had to fulfill the Passion, not from the actual use of the sword, as he explains.

Furthermore, the Lord wouldn't tell someone to arming themselves if arming themselves was a sin, there wouldn't be a prophecy that would make the Lord do something that could be sinful.

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Nobody said having a weapon is a sin. Using it to harm one who bears the image of God is. And "those who take up the sword will die by the sword" isn't about the Passion. It is a clear condemnation of the cycle of violence. The wording is clear.

You love ignoring or dismissing what Christ actually said.

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You're trying to massage Christ into something he is not, to fit your preconceived notion of what he should be. In order to do this you have to misinterpret scripture and claim hundreds of years of Church tradition is bogus because they "cozied up to the state" way back in 250 ad.

Christ whirled the lash, Christ use militaristic imagery and examples, he told people to arm themselves, some of his earliest followers were soldiers.

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

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You would be wrong. I support government programs and think they should do more social engineering, again like Hungary

Christ didn't use a whip against people. Your ignorance regarding Lk 22:36 has already been addressed. And you're doing exactly that of which you accuse me when you massage your desires for blood and perverse thinking into His imagery so you can create a god that looks like you.

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

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Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

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You would be wrong. I support government programs and think they should do more social engineering, again like Hungary

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Scriptures about "social engineering"?

You really are an antichrist.

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

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Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

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His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

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My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

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Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

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I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

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Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

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You would be wrong. I support government programs and think they should do more social engineering, again like Hungary

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Scriptures about "social engineering"?

You really are an antichrist.

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Jews? Soldiers? Are you going to answer any of my questions? Are the Jews antichrists?

You know social engineering like paid maternal leave, down payment assistance for housing, job training, those terrible things

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Okay, I'm done with bustup now. Endorsing the Taliban, sharing antisemitic images, grotesque distorting of Scripture, etc are just too much. Going to dust off my sandals with unrepentant bigots.

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Amazing timing, what did he do at the temple with moneychangers?

Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

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Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

---

His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

---

My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

---

Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

---

I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

---

Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

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All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

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Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

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You would be wrong. I support government programs and think they should do more social engineering, again like Hungary

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Scriptures about "social engineering"?

You really are an antichrist.

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Jews? Soldiers? Are you going to answer any of my questions? Are the Jews antichrists?

You know social engineering like paid maternal leave, down payment assistance for housing, job training, those terrible things

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So no Scripture?

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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dermdoc said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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PacifistAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek.

How does that fit with your "theology"?

---

Just as I thought. Matthew 5:39 is totally hyperbole, but Jesus really meant we should tie a millstone around people's neck and throw them in the sea.

---

Yes, sins against children are more serious than sins against others, which is why christ singles out children and not adults. Also why the church allows the death penalty in extreme cases and not abortion.

---

Can you give me Scriptural references for a Christ led earthly military kingdom?

Thanks.

---

His kingdom was not of this world as he says explicitly during his Passion. Instead of extremely vague searching questions, cut to the point. What are you trying to prove?

---

My point is Christ never advocated the things you are advocating in your op.

So you are an antichrist by definition.

---

Did Christ advocate for throwing abortionists in prison? Am I an antichrist for that as well?

---

I am pro life. What does that have to do with establishing a Taliban theocracy?

---

Hold up a second, isn't that what you told me? Christ didn't advocate for what I was advocating for? Am I an antichrist for wanting to criminalize abortion?

---

All I know is Christ never asked government to do anything.

---

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if he's opposed to social welfare programs for, say, the homeless and hungry because "that's not government's job. It's the church's", yet when it gives him a chance to kill or imprison those he deems immoral, then all of a sudden it's "yay government!"

---

You would be wrong. I support government programs and think they should do more social engineering, again like Hungary

---

Scriptures about "social engineering"?

You really are an antichrist.

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Jews? Soldiers? Are you going to answer any of my questions? Are the Jews antichrists?

You know social engineering like paid maternal leave, down payment assistance for housing, job training, those terrible things

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So no Scripture?

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This is not how an educated person discusses something. Asking question after question and refusing to answer anything.

What is your claim? That everything not explicitly covered in scripture is antichrist?

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PacifistAg said:

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Okay, I'm done with bustup now. Endorsing the Taliban, sharing antisemitic images, grotesque distorting of Scripture, etc are just too much. Going to dust off my sandals with unrepentant bigots.

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Amazing timing, what did he do at the temple with moneychangers?

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He overturned their tables and told them not to defile His Father's house. He did not kill anyone in the Scriptures I have read.