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Nonprofit Status

Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., is recognized as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation by the Internal Revenue Service. A copy of our IRS tax-exempt status letter is available upon request.

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Post how really mad you are about this here. Show your commitment to ending this status.

After you answer, describe what you plan to do, have done, to get the status revoked. Do you vote for candidates that support spending on PP? Have you ever? How can you reconcile that with your belief?

Profiting from death? Still profit. So, yeah...

There SHOULD be a lot of people pissed about this. Let's see that emotion.

Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

Actually, the tax exempt status of non-profits is a philosophical discussion!

Why do we do it?

Is it to encourage charity?

What are good reasons to continue it or not? I picked PP because it's an organization that may be SELLING body parts, which also seems kind of philosophically wrong.

If you have something to add and not deflection, please do so.

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If you have something to add and not deflection, please do so.

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What deflection? You are asking about a political issue, so I simply said this would be better served on the board specifically dedicated to political issues.

But, to answer your question, I don't care about the tax-exempt status. I wish everyone was exempt from taxation. How the IRS views them is irrelevant to me though. It has no bearing on the fact that I'm horrified at the abortions they perform.

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If you have something to add and not deflection, please do so.

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What deflection? You are asking about a political issue, so I simply said this would be better served on the board specifically dedicated to political issues.

But, to answer your question, I don't care about the tax-exempt status. I wish everyone was exempt from taxation. How the IRS views them is irrelevant to me though. It has no bearing on the fact that I'm horrified at the abortions they perform.

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Everything is to some extent a political issue. That doesn't mean there's not a philosophical component to it.

Seriously, don't piss on this thread. There's a valid question to be asked about whether we should support PP with a tax free status.

That is absolutely philosophical. Do we agree with the mission? Etc.

Government encourages good with tax exempt status. Given PP is evil, this should not happen.

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Everything is to some extent a political issue. That doesn't mean there's not a philosophical component to it.

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Fine, see it as philosophical if you wish. The way you phrased the OP, it came across as a political discussion. You mentioned only PP and their tax-exempt status. It wasn't until a couple posts later that you introduced a larger discussion of "tax-exempt status for charities".

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Seriously, don't piss on this thread.

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Calm down. It wasn't an attempt to "piss on this thread". Just relax. I'm not your enemy.

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There's a valid question to be asked about whether we should support PP with a tax free status.

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Wait, is it only regarding PP or is this about 501c status in general?

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That is absolutely philosophical. Do we agree with the mission? Etc.

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If you wish to see it as "absolutely philosophical", go right ahead. Everything in your 1st two posts were political though.

I didn't think I was going to have to explain to someone on here the philosophical component associated with politically giving non-profits tax exempt status. Particularly this one. And actually, I'm still kind of surprised I had to.

Do you really not get it? Hmm. Weird. Oh well...as long as you're done posting about that...let's move on now.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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It's as much as moralistic as it is political, in fact even more so IMHO.

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Wait, is it only regarding PP or is this about 501c status in general?

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What did my question ask?

Read the OP. This is about PP. It is a 501c3. I want to speak specifically about it.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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It's as much as moralistic as it is political, in fact even more so IMHO.

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He has a point to make. He doesn't want this discussed here. Not sure why.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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It's as much as moralistic as it is political, in fact even more so IMHO.

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He has a point to make. He doesn't want this discussed here. Not sure why.

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I hope to be consistent, he'll tell the OP of the next beer thread to take it to the General Forum.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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It's as much as moralistic as it is political, in fact even more so IMHO.

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If that's what you believe, so be it. I don't see it that way, especially how the topic was introduced here.
It wasn't presented as some philosophical discussion on 501c for non-profits. It was presented specifically as a political issue with a follow-up question on "what are you doing to change their status" that listed political solutions.

Like I said, how the IRS categorizes them is irrelevant to me. It doesn't change the immorality of what PP does. Tax-exempt or taxed...what they are doing is still wrong. But, as I said earlier, I wish everyone were "tax-exempt", so I'm not going to lose sleep over one specific organization being tax-exempt. I've answered his questions, so I'll be done here now.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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It's as much as moralistic as it is political, in fact even more so IMHO.

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If that's what you believe, so be it. I don't see it that way, especially how the topic was introduced here.
It wasn't presented as some philosophical discussion on 501c for non-profits. It was presented specifically as a political issue with a follow-up question on "what are you doing to change their status" that listed political solutions.

Like I said, how the IRS categorizes them is irrelevant to me. It doesn't change the immorality of what PP does. Tax-exempt or taxed...what they are doing is still wrong. But, as I said earlier, I wish everyone were "tax-exempt", so I'm not going to lose sleep over one specific organization being tax-exempt. I've answered his questions, so I'll be done here now.

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Isn't the tax exempt status of Jon Oliver's charity also political?

Where was your political question post on that?

I'm now genuinely curious as to why this argument wasn't made on the religious scam thread. Wasn't Oliver's whole point a political one--why does the IRS allow that?

Wow. Jacques, take a deep breath. Why does it bother you that, when I clicked on your thread, I saw it as a political discussion? My apologies if that offended you somehow. I meant nothing bad by it. You can relax, as this will be my last post on this thread.

did i take a wrong turn and wind up in the politics board on accident?

If an organization cannot exist on its own without being propped up by the government in the form of tax exemption, then it should be allowed to fail. Getting rid of tax exemptions across the board may actually be the catalyst we need for our government to bother to fix our broken tax system.

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Wow. Jacques, take a deep breath. Why does it bother you that, when I clicked on your thread, I saw it as a political discussion? My apologies if that offended you somehow. I meant nothing bad by it. Relax though.

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Why didn't you make this point on the Oliver thread? Isn't that political, too?

You jumped on this pretty quick to move it off this page.

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did i take a wrong turn and wind up in the politics board on accident?

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You don't see a philosophical question associated with the tax exempt status of PP? At all? Not even in light of the videos? Not even in light of the strong moral objection people have to abortion?

Is arguing about if this is a political or philosophical discussion a philosophical discussion?

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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If an organization cannot exist on its own without being propped up by the government in the form of tax exemption, then it should be allowed to fail. Getting rid of tax exemptions across the board may actually be the catalyst we need for our government to bother to fix our broken tax system.

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This is an actual legitimate attempt at an argument. And one worthy of addressing, because I think this actually might get to why churches are tax exempt.

We have first amendment religious freedoms in this country. We also have free association rights. A church shouldn't have to prove it can exist tax exempt to exist. Are you suggesting that a church--a small, tiny, church--should have to stand up with businesses run for profit? That they should be judged on the same basis? How are Apple and my tiny UMC I went to growing up the same? Are they more alike or different?

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Why didn't you make this point on the Oliver thread? Isn't that political, too?

You jumped on this pretty quick to move it off this page.

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1) What is the Oliver thread you are talking about?
2) I didn't "jump" on this quickly for any reason other than seeing this to be a political discussion, at least as you had framed it.

The free association rights do get to the political side of this. But they should stand on the same grounds as churches.

You should have the right to associate and organize with others. Whether that organization is a church or a civil rights organization or what have you. As long as you're not carrying on a business, there's no reason for you to be treated like one.

To say a church has to prove itself financially sound enough to stand without complying with a bunch of IRS nonsense is basically to say a lot of the smallest churches out there should not have a right to exist.

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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Los Alamos: We Have Become Death
Treating Immigrants Like Jesus
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Christians and July 4th: Celebrate with Kingdom Lenses Not Americanized Ones
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Will Evangelicals Continue to Support Torture?

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All those threads have to do w/ how Christians act or what they support, and how that lines up with our faith. I agree w/ Jacques sentiment that all things can be political, but in those threads there's clear religious/philosophical issues that are the primary focus of the articles. Nice try though.

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Why didn't you make this point on the Oliver thread? Isn't that political, too?

You jumped on this pretty quick to move it off this page.

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1) What is the Oliver thread you are talking about?
2) I didn't "jump" on this quickly for any reason other than seeing this to be a political discussion, at least as you had framed it.

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It's understandable. It's only 6 pages long and a week old and at the top of the page

http://texags.com/forums/15/topics/2648619

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Considering this is a political policy discussion, the Politics board would probably be the best place to ask this question.

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Los Alamos: We Have Become Death
Treating Immigrants Like Jesus
Politicized Christology in Christianized Politics: Constantinianism of Right & Left
4 Reasons Why God Doesn't Owe Any Land To Israel
Church to fly Christian flag over American flag
Collin County Residents Condemn Proposal For Muslim Cemetery
Christians and July 4th: Celebrate with Kingdom Lenses Not Americanized Ones
Gay Marriage is the Law of the Land- And God Isn't Going to Freak Out About It
Will Evangelicals Continue to Support Torture?

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All those threads have to do w/ how Christians act or what they support, and how that lines up with our faith. I agree w/ Jacques sentiment that all things can be political, but in those threads there's clear religious/philosophical issues that are the primary focus of the articles. Nice try though.

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But it's clear at least that you see that things can be religious and philosophical in nature and also have a political component and be appropriate for discussion here.

Which makes your pouncing on this since you really don't have much else to say really odd.

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If an organization cannot exist on its own without being propped up by the government in the form of tax exemption, then it should be allowed to fail. Getting rid of tax exemptions across the board may actually be the catalyst we need for our government to bother to fix our broken tax system.

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This is an actual legitimate attempt at an argument. And one worthy of addressing, because I think this actually might get to why churches are tax exempt.

We have first amendment religious freedoms in this country. We also have free association rights. A church shouldn't have to prove it can exist tax exempt to exist. Are you suggesting that a church--a small, tiny, church--should have to stand up with businesses run for profit? That they should be judged on the same basis? How are Apple and my tiny UMC I went to growing up the same? Are they more alike or different?

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The small family farmer may benefit from subsidies, but farm subsidies are a huge mistake because they distort the market and especially in today's environment, benefit huge corporations in one industry to the detriment of other investment opportunities.

The answer isn't to burden your tiny UMC with the current corporate tax rates, but rather change the entire system so we aren't causing disincentives to work and transact business. However, if a conversion to a consumption tax or some other tax regime reform requires that your tiny UMC function without being propped up by existing under different rules, then it will have to do so. Whether that means more churches convert to home churches really doesn't matter to me. The only way to fix the abuses within the tax-exempt community is to get rid of tax-exempt organizations.

Man, Jackie is fired the F up about this. Dude has like 307 posts on this topic between two threads just this morning.

Also, RA, I can somewhat understand him bristling by the "isn't this a politics discussion" post. Most of the time people post that to obfuscate the OP because they don't desire to have an actual discussion. The line seperating RP from politics is a thin one, and I know, myself, along with many others, post here, instead of there, because you can have actual discussions here.

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Why didn't you make this point on the Oliver thread? Isn't that political, too?

You jumped on this pretty quick to move it off this page.

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1) What is the Oliver thread you are talking about?
2) I didn't "jump" on this quickly for any reason other than seeing this to be a political discussion, at least as you had framed it.

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It's understandable. It's only 6 pages long and a week old and at the top of the page

http://texags.com/forums/15/topics/2648619

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I hadn't even watched the video or read the thread, much less posted on it. I had taken some time away from here because this board has some toxic personalities that I needed a break from in order to guard myself spiritually.