couple things:

1. forgive me if i'm wrong because i watched it while i was kinda busy but, do we know for sure they dumped the body into the river? the parts i saw were just them driving to the river and then driving away. again, maybe i missed something.

2. lyla is the most unlikable character in the history of television. her hotness has been wasted. whether it be because she went bat-**** crazy or that she's now a bible thumper. i used to have some kind of sympathy for her but now i just can't stand her

i thought riggins was a senior last season?

the episode was definetly a little over the top with the dead body scene. i think a few characters are about to make exits on the show like lyla (going off to college, her character sucks and is annoying any ways) were gonna see plenty of buddy this season going head to head with the new coach. and i can already see coach taylor coming back to the rescue for everyone to.

I just watched the episode, and I'm sad. They aren't going to be able to recover from the murder.

TV Guide says the end justifies the means with this plotline.

Just sayin.

This sucks, Landry won't be able to be funny if he is worried about going to jail for murder or thinking about how he killed someone. The preview made me laugh though. "I would do it again for you" Really? You would go around murdering people for the town skank? BTW, I wish the writers wouldn't turn Julie Taylor into a skank as well.

Also, I am pretty sure most teenagers would have just come up with a lie rather than dumping a freaking body in the river. That is way overboard. Hopefully we get some football soon.

Just finished season 1 last week and just watched the season 2 premiere online.

I agree it felt different. The entire stalker deaf I just kept saying out loud "Just call the friggin cops you dumbarses! Don't turn this into something stupid!" They didn't show them actaully dump the body, so I am praying they didn't, or if they did Landry confesses in the first couple episodes.

Bill Simmons tackled the first episode in his mailbag yesterday and I agree with what he said. It felt like they were comprimising Landry, who is one of the moral compasses of the show.

Also, it bothered me that the last time we saw Julie she was crying in love and then she is verging on being a boyfriend cheating skank the first episode. If she cheats on Matt, then I will punch her myself.

Bill Simmons' mailbag question:

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Q: Could you comment on the "twist" on the "Friday Night Lights" season opener? I think it's network executives making sweeping changes in order to try to get ratings, killing my favorite show in a way worse than simply canceling it.
--Chris W., New Haven, Conn.

SG: Quick break from baseball to answer this one...

Normally I'd say, "Come on, don't be so cynical, they had an incredible first season and the FNL writers earned the leeway to spend three or four episodes proving this 'twist' was a good idea." But network TV has betrayed us so many times, it's impossible not to think that NBC ordered FNL to sex it up and use "The OC's" old playbook to boost ratings. But this "twist" completely betrayed Landry's character, which wouldn't be a major deal except he was one of the four rocks of the show (along with the coach, his wife and the QB). You can't just waste one of your rocks like that unless there's a REALLY good reason.

Hell, that's one of the reasons an inferior show like "The OC" died so quickly -- Peter Gallagher's character (Seth's dad) was the show's moral compass, only he started considering an affair in Season 2 and the show never recovered, mainly because his character never recovered. I wasn't a "Sex and the City" fan, but my wife went crazy when Sarah Jessica Parker's character started cheating on her boyfriend with Mr. Big; she just felt completely betrayed because Parker's character was her "friend" and she could never condone a friend acting like that. I thought this was an interesting way to look at it because TV characters DO become your friends to some degree, and you DO feel like you know them, so when someone as great as Landry pulls a 180 and does something his character would never, ever, ever, EVER, EVER, EVER do (not the "twist" itself but how everything was handled after the twist), it was almost like losing a friend, as weird as that sounds.

Yeah, they can resolve the twist, but it's going to be difficult to repair the damage that was done to Landry's character. I don't trust his judgment anymore. Which brings me back to my original point: You can't betray one of your main characters like that, especially on a show like this, when the decisions for every character were made so carefully in Season 1. That's what made this twist so infuriating. Even a few seconds before "it" happened, I paused the TiVo and told the Sports Gal, "That's it ... NBC is about to ruin this show, we should have known."

There's a bigger issue here: Because everyone thought "FNL" was going to get canceled last year, they threw the kitchen sink into Season 1 and...

(SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SEASON 1 YET. AND, MY GOD, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR????)

... made the understandable decision to have Dillon High win the state championship (thinking the show was one and done), which would have been the perfect way to go out if NBC hadn't screwed everything up by halfheartedly renewing the show and giving it the "Friday, 9 p.m." death sentence.

(END OF SPOILER ALERT. AND, DAMMIT, BUY THE SEASON 1 DVD ALREADY!)

You can't blame the FNL creators for doing everything they could to keep this show on the air, even if it meant toning down the football scenes and executing some of the dumbest script notes in recent Hollywood history. And maybe they'll salvage the ill-fated "twist." I just worry that Season 2 is headed for the "Let's just pretend this never happened" Hall of Fame along with "Fletch Lives," "Another 48 Hours," "Caddyshack 2," Hakeem Olajuwon's year on the Raptors and everything else.

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FNL is the best show on TV...period

gd they are destroying this show

tonights was somewhat better than the first one.

it seems, hopefully at least, that they are building to a little more excitement

they need to work some Panther football in soon or the show is gonna lose some of it's biggest advocates from last season (articles on ESPN, etc.)

The swede? Where did this whole idea come from. Give him a damn name at least. He doesn't even look swedish.

dave, yeah, i had to make a comment about that too while i was watching..annoying

I could have bought into the Landry/Tyra thing a little more if they had earned it a little better. They should have had that guy stalk her for a couple of episodes. As it is, I don't completely buy the fear that "he would've just kept coming" would lead to what it did. I also didn't entirely like her somewhat laughing/joking on the bridge last night but I guess they were trying show how she was trying to handle it before her break down at the end. It was even hard for me to give a "yay" when they got together at the end because this storyline will always be the basis for any relationship they may have. Not on sweet, funny, dorky, socially awkward but (he)thinks he's the greatest thing ever Landary "wins" the out-of-his league, beautiful, troubled, "bad" girl. I'm still holding out hope that the show handles it right though. I've heard some positive things about the next batch of episodes that give me hope.

Please don't "OC" my show NBC! I've never seen an episode of that show but I know I dont' want it on FNL. [/end rant]

So is the new live-in nurse going to be the love interest for Saracen? Jeez.

I am still disappointed in the murder, but hopeful that they will pull it out.

And did anyone else hear the rumor that there is indeed going to be a threesome with Riggins, Lyla and Jason????

The swede was completely out of left field and is annoying. I was hoping that Saracen would see the two in a van and knock the crap out of him.

The tension between Riggins and Lyla last night is bound to lead to something in the future.

And could they have given Landry and better looking rally girl to get Tyra jealous?

It seems the writers are trying to kill everything that was so good about last season.

I've been talking this show up to family and friends telling them they've been missing out on the best show on tv. Sadly my favorite show has been disappointing so far. I hope it turns around, but the preview of next weeks episode makes it look like it is going to get more depressing as the weeks go on.

The scene with Mrs. Taylor in the counselor's office was poor acting. Same goes for the star of TMU.

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NBC "reassigned" a lot of the writers to run Bionic Woman, and I think it definitely shows.

That said, next week looks great and should be a return to form.

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I thought the exact same thing. I had no idea some writers had been assigned to BW. What a joke. Bring them back from that Titanic of a show and help one that is already solid with good characters.

Was it writers? I thought it was producers. Not that it's a huge difference...just curious.

curious enough for a double post apparently

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Eh, I still think it's a great show. I'm liking this season so far, it's far better than most of the other shows on television. I was watching this week's episode yesterday, and my roommate came and sat down and watched it with me. It was her first time seeing an episode of FNL, and she seemed pretty into it. She even commented on how surprisingly realistic the dialogue and acting was....especially in an early scene between Landry and Tyra.

In TV, producers generally means writers, other than the occasional big-name executive producers, who do nothing but form the basic premise, book stars, and stamp their name on it. Supervising producers, co-executive producers, etc are generally writers.

i really wish they would hurry up and introduce some new characters to the show real quick. im getting sick of lylas crappy acting and the landry tyra story is ****ing stupid. most of all its needs more football.

The show is getting better... I didn't think the first episode was terrible but it was over the top... The show is getting back to its "roots" and it looks like Coach Taylor is coming back.

I was hoping that would just let that whole killing of the rapist thing die off but from the preview for next week... it look like its coming back.

O well it is still my 2nd favorite show on TV...

Episode 3 was a great return to season 3 form.

Connie Britton just might be the best actress on TV right now. Her slapping Julie was a very well done scene.

its gotten way too predictable.

I agree that I enjoyed this episode much more than I did the first two of the season. Hopefully those first two were able to grab some new viewers into the show and didn't drive away too many of the original fans.

I thought Mrs. Coach (Britton) was terrible in her crying scene though...along with another time she cried earlier this season. Julie's immediate reaction to that slap seemed kinda awkward to me.

I think some of you are getting a bit nit picky.

i agree this weeks episode was better.church scene though was kinda scary.

I would beat the crap out of Julie if she was my daughter.

well, i'm still hooked.....even though I'd like to see more about the team

Good episode... Its coming back around

Good episode? Maybe I shouldn't have watched it while still being pissed about the loss tonight, but I thought this episode was horrible. What used to be the most realistic show on tv, is now completely unbelievable. NBC really screwed up by moving the writers to Bionic Woman.

First, Coach Taylor answers a cell phone call from Buddy in the middle of TMU practice and answers another call during half-time of a game? Then quits the TMU job after receiving only word of mouth from Buddy that the deal was done. Jason and Riggins are gone for a week in Mexico to pay for a stem cell operation with just the money that's in a duffel bag and noone is worried about them being missing? I could go on and on. Practically everyone on the show is out of character from last season. The writing has been terrible.

If I wanted real life, I'd have never bought a tv in the first place

but I agree, some of the characters feel different

keep in mind that high school aged kids can change quite quickly

Watch 30 Rock...


Corporations effect on creativity sucks.

Still a good show though.