*** OPPENHEIMER *** (Spoiler Thread)

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I really, really enjoyed this movie. It did not feel like three hours at all.
I still haven't gone to see it because I'm not sure my lower back can handle 3 hours in a movie theater. But that's encouraging.
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pretty good, plot had a few hole, ran a little long
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Amazing movie all the way through. A bunch of us commented afterwards that "Nolan took congressional hearings and made them riveting".

That said, you did not have to see it in IMAX.
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FancyKetchup14 said:



Fun fact: I saw this with my SO, who studied at the same University Oppenheimer did in Germany (Göttingen), and when it was mentioned she nudged me. But then they showed "Göttingen" and she busted out laughing cause it's not that pretty in real life. They definitely just picked a typical Bavarian town, hit it with an overhead shot, and went with it.


Is it possible it used to be that pretty, before they....found out?
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Ghost of Bisbee said:

aTmAg said:

I thought the movie was meh.

Like typical Nolan, hard as hell to hear the dialog. From now on, I'm not going to watch any of his movies in the theater. I'll just wait until I can stream it with subtitles. It's a waste of money otherwise.

The nuke explosion was underwhelming. The brief one they showed during one of the dream sequences was better. I thought they were setting us up for a mind blowing one later, but nope.

The nudity was totally unnecessary. If they are going to do that, at least make the woman hot to make it worthwhile.

Other than characters claiming it, the movie failed to show how Oppenheimer was the only guy who could lead the Manhattan project. In fact, it sorta made the case that he was incompetent with security. If that was the intent, then good job I guess?

It was totally legit to strip his clearances. Making that out like a McCarthy moment was ridiculous. Especially in light that modern hollywood is far worse than the McCarthy era ever was.

The last scene was eye rolling.


When is nudity ever necessary, if we're being honest
It was absolutely necessary for the Wolf of Wall Street.
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To see silicone genitals on Robbie?
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aTmAg said:

Ghost of Bisbee said:

aTmAg said:

I thought the movie was meh.

Like typical Nolan, hard as hell to hear the dialog. From now on, I'm not going to watch any of his movies in the theater. I'll just wait until I can stream it with subtitles. It's a waste of money otherwise.

The nuke explosion was underwhelming. The brief one they showed during one of the dream sequences was better. I thought they were setting us up for a mind blowing one later, but nope.

The nudity was totally unnecessary. If they are going to do that, at least make the woman hot to make it worthwhile.

Other than characters claiming it, the movie failed to show how Oppenheimer was the only guy who could lead the Manhattan project. In fact, it sorta made the case that he was incompetent with security. If that was the intent, then good job I guess?

It was totally legit to strip his clearances. Making that out like a McCarthy moment was ridiculous. Especially in light that modern hollywood is far worse than the McCarthy era ever was.

The last scene was eye rolling.


When is nudity ever necessary, if we're being honest
It was absolutely necessary for the Wolf of Wall Street.

Lol
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Odd. I was greeted with this view as I left IMAX after seeing the movie in San Antonio last night.

Gig 'em Aggies!

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Umm, actually…shouldn't the film in that photo be oriented horizontally, not vertically?
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With exception of JW4, they just compared it to 5 box office bombs lol
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I think that's kind of the point. It's showing how a 3 hour, R rated Biopic (that by itself doesn't sound appealing) has outshined half a dozen or so movies that were expected to make a fortune.

If anything, I look at this as people are starting to turn away from IP and franchises that have been exhausted for all worth, and wanting to watch REAL movies again.

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I'm all for that

Don't know a single person who saw elemental or transformers
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Exactly, that "Nolan!" at the end is missing the point. Hollywood keeps pumping out expensive garbage for the same small audience groups and ignoring the majority who just want to see something original, cool, and free from woke signaling. Oppenheimer got people out to the movies who don't go out to movies much anymore.
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The Atomic Energy Commission restored his security clearance earlier this week after 70 years.
Gig 'em Aggies!

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mike073 said:

The Atomic Energy Commission restored his security clearance earlier this week after 70 years.

Under what criteria? It's now ok to have clear communist ties?
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mike073 said:

The Atomic Energy Commission restored his security clearance earlier this week after 70 years.


Imagine being one of the top scientists today working on our most classified program and going out of your way to chill with some CCP buddies from college and having a marital affair with a known Maoist. Oppenheimer did more than enough to deserve losing his clearance.
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Cliff.Booth said:

mike073 said:

The Atomic Energy Commission restored his security clearance earlier this week after 70 years.


Imagine being one of the top scientists today working on our most classified program and going out of your way to chill with some CCP buddies from college and having a marital affair with a known Maoist. Oppenheimer did more than enough to deserve losing his clearance.


What does Eric Swalwell have to do with this thread?
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Just got out. Lots of emotions in my head.

Every American should see this movie. I think we as a society have forgotten about what the US is capable of in the face of incredible odds. This movie depicts a world and society that truly does not exist anymore.

I think this movie is also important for every American to see because as much as it is about our achievement with the bomb and making Japan surrender, it's also important to see how corrupt and back patting the American bureaucracy was back then - because it has steadily gotten worse. Oppenheimer was destroyed by our government and he certainly wasn't the last. I mean for gods sake, half the country right now is trying to jail the former President.

Acting was phenomenal across the board. Beautifully shot. Loved the beginning sequence ripping back and forth between Oppenheimer and the flames, atoms, etc.

Also - damn! That guy looked just like Einstein.

Gonna take some time to really digest all this. Planning to read American Prometheus soon, and then one of the most well regarded Japanese accounts of the attack - it's called Black Rain.
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Ghost of Bisbee said:

I'm all for that

Don't know a single person who saw elemental or transformers


I saw elemental. My worst movie decision of the year.
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Cliff.Booth said:

Exactly, that "Nolan!" at the end is missing the point. Hollywood keeps pumping out expensive garbage for the same small audience groups and ignoring the majority who just want to see something original, cool, and free from woke signaling. Oppenheimer got people out to the movies who don't go out to movies much anymore.


People just want to see good movies. You people try to make everything about the "woke" boogieman you've created.
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MBAR said:

Cliff.Booth said:

Exactly, that "Nolan!" at the end is missing the point. Hollywood keeps pumping out expensive garbage for the same small audience groups and ignoring the majority who just want to see something original, cool, and free from woke signaling. Oppenheimer got people out to the movies who don't go out to movies much anymore.


People just want to see good movies. You people try to make everything about the "woke" boogieman you've created.
This is key. If the movie is good, people will see it (unless it's poorly marketed to the point people don't know it exists).

On the other end of the spectrum, I think The Meg films are great examples of what defines a "good movie". A good movie is one that knows what it wants to be and leans into it. The Meg and The Meg II both got shredded by critics, but have been box-office successes. That's because the movie knows what people want (Jason Statham fighting giants sharks!), knows how ridiculous its premise is (Megalodons secretly living in the Marianas Trench? Sounds stupid.), and then embraces it all. People eat that junk up because it's fun, silly, and a good time.

I think Adam Devine gets to the heart of this here, where he lampoons Hollywood for trying to trick viewers rather than just giving the people what they want.
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MBAR said:

Cliff.Booth said:

Exactly, that "Nolan!" at the end is missing the point. Hollywood keeps pumping out expensive garbage for the same small audience groups and ignoring the majority who just want to see something original, cool, and free from woke signaling. Oppenheimer got people out to the movies who don't go out to movies much anymore.


You people.


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MBAR said:

the "woke" boogieman you've created.


Keep telling yourself that despite abundant evidence otherwise.
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I saw both but I was keeping my 7 and 9 year old grandsons in my apartment for three days. Only can have grandkids swim from 3 to 5 and had tons of hours to fill up. Parents were ok with them seeing transformers even though it was pg 13. They already knew the bad words that were in it. And elemental. They are not films for adults but I did stay awake. I liked transformers better than elemental.
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BCG Disciple said:

mike073 said:

The Atomic Energy Commission restored his security clearance earlier this week after 70 years.

Under what criteria? It's now ok to have clear communist ties?


Well, for one, he's dead, so not like it really matters anymore.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Cliff.Booth said:

MBAR said:

the "woke" boogieman you've created.


Keep telling yourself that despite abundant evidence otherwise.


Why create another account when you already have the bcc handle?
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TCTTS said:

Yes, in any other situation I realize how ridiculous it might be to have a spoiler thread for a historical drama, but because it's Christopher Nolan we know this one's going to be anything but traditional, told in twisty, time-hopping fashion. So as to keep the structure, story-telling choices, and more minor character arcs from being spoiled in the other thread, I'm creating this one, on the eve of the domestic release (with a number of international markets opening today).

Per usual, I won't be seeing it until Saturday evening myself, in glorious 70mm IMAX, on the third largest IMAX screen in North America. Next to Dune: Part Two this is easily my most anticipated movie of the year, reviews say it's an all-timer, and I absolutely cannot wait.

After being overseas I was able to finally see it in IMAX in Gaithersburg MD last night.

aside from the interminable 20 minutes of garbage ads and awful previews before the movie started.

I enjoyed it.

a bit too loud, the musical score should have reflected more of the 1940s and 1950s would have been a nice historical touch


now I can finally read this thread!
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Bunk Moreland said:

I agree, so what's your beef? Truman didn't come off as dumb in that scene. And apparently Nolan used actual language Truman used after the meeting. I think Truman came off as a typical president... A little annoyed that Oppenheimer felt blood on his hands when Truman was the one who actually had to make the ballsy call to drop the bombs.
my only disagreement with that scene was that in real life Truman was a war hero and in pretty good shape, he would have been younger than portrayed by that actor who seemed elderly and fat.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

I'm working through a podcast on the scientists in the Manhattan project and the Nazi camp right now. What strikes me is how many of these people knew each other. Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg, etc. All huge in their field and known worldwide. Not really like that nowadays.

I'd be surprised if they doesn't win multiple Oscars.

Also, it seemed like every actor in Hollywood was in this. Murphy, Blunt, Damon, Downey, Pugh, Hartlett, Casey Affleck, Rami Mellek, Dane Dehaan, Oldman, Jason Clarke. Just goes to show how many people want to work with Nolan at this point. Even for only a cameo.
you mean Josh Hartnett (I thought he was fantastic and I have never been a fan of his previously)

Gary Oldman was in this?!?!

that guy is unbelievable. literally unbelievable!

loved him in Darkest Hour!!
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bobinator said:

I think 95% of this movie is the best movie Nolan has made, but there's just some odd choices a couple of times for me.

One example is the scene where Kitty imagines seeing Jean in the room having sex with Oppenheimer... it's literally the only scene of the entire movie where we see what Kitty is thinking insider her own head. It'd be like if one scene in the middle of The Prestige was told from the POV of Scarlett Johansson's character. Not sure I really understood that creative choice.

But overall just a great movie, one of the best I've seen in some time.
completely agree

I think that was a mistake and really there was no point in that scene
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TXTransplant said:

TCTTS said:

bonfarr said:

Just saw it and was disappointed. Very little of the movie is devoted to the actual building of the Bomb, it is all about the moral conundrum and politics of the bomb. A significant portion of the film takes place in a claustrophobic room filled with men questioning Oppenheimer and others. I expect a big drop off after the opening weekend and I would not spend time watching the movie again when it is streaming.

I mean, "the moral conundrum and politics of the bomb," by their very definitions, are inherently far more dramatic than "the actual building of the bomb." You want the latter, go read a book or watch a documentary. Personally, I certainly didn't need to see another shot of scientists writing on chalk boards, reading equations, or assembling bomb components. Give me moral conundrums and political infighting all day long.


I don't even think this really represents what the movie is about. It's about the internal human conflict that this specific time in history presented to some of the most genius academic minds.

Oppenheimer and his colleagues were brilliant scientists trying to make a name for themselves studying the most fundamental aspects of the existence of the universe. It just so happened that, at this moment in time, that work had a very specific and urgent application.

All of the people who worked on the project probably started out just wanting to work with and learn from the greatest minds of their time (maybe of all time). But because of circumstances beyond their control, to do that they had to help develop a device that would kill hundreds of thousands of people in a very gruesome way.

It's the ultimate "sell your soul to the devil" storyline, and it's not fiction. These people had to live the rest of their lives knowing they contributed (albeit, the decision on how and when to use it was completely out of their hands). Even if you completely 100% supported the decision to use the bomb, that's still a lot to have on your conscience. It doesn't rest solely on the shoulders of the political leaders in charge because that's just not how human emotions work.

Just like I'm sure every soldier who fought in WWII had to live with their choices and actions during the war, so did these scientists. And that's why I think this movie is such a great tribute to them. Their sacrifices were just as meaningful and deserve to be acknowledged.

While I agree with most of your summary-

I think it is a HUGE mistake to equate the sacrifices of those soldiers who fought in WWII

with scientists getting paid, with their families, enjoying hamburgers, and doing their jobs in a beautiful New Mexico desert.
 
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