Broke my usual rule of not watching trailers (at home); this looks bad, which has been typical of Ridley Scott in the past decade or more. Unfortunate.

this looks AMAZING.

if it's half as good as Gladiator which it looks like it is

Academy Award time

Buck Turgidson said:

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Is this going to be historically accurate, or are we going to be force fed a bunch of fake diversity and LGBT content?

If they can keep the woke bull**** out if the film, it looks like it could be really good.

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i mean it showed him lining up the cannon and firing them into a crowd of women and civilians

doesn't sound too woke to me

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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If you have ever seen Warrior on Max, I really like the way they handle this. If it's a Chinese guy speaking Chinese in the scene, he has an American accent speaking English. If the Chinese guy is speaking English in the scene, then he has a Chinese accent speaking english.

LMCane said:

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this looks AMAZING.

if it's half as good as Gladiator which it looks like it is

Academy Award time

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Yes thats a fantastic trailer. This is going to be great.

And fwiw i really dont understand why anyone would want fake french accents…or even not fake ones.

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Gigem314 said:

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TCTTS said:

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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Lol, costner was distractingly bad, but that is english with an english accent. Why would anyone want a movie in english with foreign accents just because the setting is foreign? Either speak the language, or speak english imo.

heddleston said:

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Yep, we just cannot comprehend the depth and breadth to which WWI absolutely broke a country and its culture.

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also broke Vienna has the cultural capital of the world.

TCTTS said:

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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we've all been conditioned to either think the accents should be local and/or modern BBC british to be an acceptable alternative which is odd.

TCTTS said:

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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Back to my wish that the parts were all played by French actors. I get that it's impossible to have an American blockbuster with subtitles and a French actor most Americans don't recognize, but it would make for such an more immersive experience. Imagine watching Downfall with Hitler played by an American actor ranting in English.

Damn just realized that Ridley Scott is 85.

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Lt. Joe Bookman said:

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Would love a Dan Carlin episode(s) on Napoleon.

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You and me both. Did you drop star(s) recently? Always thought you had some. Is it because of the recent BS from the mods in the baseball forum?

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Ah, nah. I dropped years ago. The MLB forum modding has been pretty suspect lately though with the random deleted posts.

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TCTTS said:

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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I'm going the other way on this. Before the trailer started I was worried how far Phoenix would go on the accent. I prefer they not try an accent, if they can't make it sound natural and consistent. Even worse when you can hear a character's accent that doesn't even stay the same throughout a film. I'm sure there's plenty of fellow Texans on this board who cringe when an actor tries to pull off a Texas drawl and it sounds like garbage. I'm looking at you Matt Damon. In Ford vs. Ferrari I would have rather he played Carrol Shelby with a Boston accent than what he was doing.

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I genuinely think Matt Damon's accent in Ford v Ferrari was one of the most accurate Texas accents ever committed to screen, by a non-Texas actor. Usually we get the Varsity Blues treatment, and his was miles better.

aTmAg said:

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I'm a bit ignorant of Napoleon. I did read about his first claim to fame where his decision to take a peninsula and place cannon there won an important battle with very few casualties. I hope this movie goes into his military genius and less into his relationship with some woman.

Also, I think Napoleon was emperor at age 35. What makes Napoleon's rise do impressive was how young he was. Phoenix is a bit too old to get that point across

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I'm ignorant of Napoleon as well, was he a military genius? The two main conflicts I've ever heard about from him are blowing invading Russia, and losing Waterloo.

I always assumed he was more of a Santa Anna type, using his star power as well as being the biggest bully on the block to achieve his empire.

Thanks. I will take my dunce card and sit down.

I will definitely check that out.

I was about to make a crack after seeing the trailer that Hollywood apparently doesn't know how to make actors look shorter than they are, when they've done so much work making actors look taller than they are, but decided to first Google how short Napoleon was for his time.

The surprising answer, to me anyway, is that he was probably slightly above average height for his time. The fiction that Napoleon was very short, even in an era where men were considerably shorter, apparently came from a political cartoonist.

Napoleon himself even recognized how successful the cartoonist was in creating that mistaken image by saying "(he) has done more to diminish me than all of the countries in Europe combined."

So it turns out that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure did have at least one historical inaccuracy.

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I was about to make a crack after seeing the trailer that Hollywood apparently doesn't know how to make actors look shorter than they are, when they've done so much work making actors look taller than they are, but decided to first Google how short Napoleon was for his time.

The surprising answer, to me anyway, is that he was probably slightly above average height for his time. The fiction that Napoleon was very short, even in an era where men were considerably shorter, apparently came from a political cartoonist.

Napoleon himself even recognized how successful the cartoonist was in creating that mistaken image by saying "(he) has done more to diminish me than all of the countries in Europe combined."

So it turns out that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure did have at least one historical inaccuracy.

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Yeah, that was pure propaganda. The common idea that has him simply summarized as a "short loser" has got to be the most inaccurate cliche about a person in history.

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TCTTS said:

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While this *looks* incredible, and I'll be there opening weekend, I have to say I find it a little distracting whenever they do the whole actors-speak-in-their-own-accents thing in a period piece set in a specific country. Phoenix's American accent is particularly an odd choice. It won't make or break the movie for me at all, but I've never understand why everyone speaking with a French accent - or in the case of Chernobyl, a Russian accent - is so looked down on.

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Back to my wish that the parts were all played by French actors. I get that it's impossible to have an American blockbuster with subtitles and a French actor most Americans don't recognize, but it would make for such an more immersive experience. Imagine watching Downfall with Hitler played by an American actor ranting in English.

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agree 100% that the best movies have actors from the actual real country playing them

which is why I watch a lot of foreign made movies

but the simple fact is Hollywood is going to bank on the biggest stars for box office, and now that Gerard Depardeiu is 90 years old and very fat... Phoenix got the role.

the best war movie of all time is probably 1993 "Stalingrad" with an all German cast.

I think Americans are too lazy / hyper to sit with subtitles for more than a few minutes.

I have this book in my personal library-

it's not as good as a McCullough or Ron Chernow book but it's pretty encompassing

my bachelors was in military history and Near East but I have never studied 18th century France

Well done biography on Napoleon

Totally get that aspect of it, but it's a shame. If American audiences could magically see the existing version and one done in French with a younger actor, I think the overwhelming majority would vote that the latter is better. Imagine Apocalypto with Mexican actors speaking in English. Totally changes the feel of the movie, for the worse.

That said, JP will play it well and I'll get over it and it'll make a tricorner hat worth of money.