*** UAP THREAD ***

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Redstone said:

Burchett et al. KNOW THINGS

Remember he initially got angry because Military Intel constituents were tired of all the lies and black hole unaccountable budgets.

One reason why Rogers and the Huntsville reps are villains, and Schumer, whom I despise politically, is not:

They care
THIS is the way.
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TCTTS said:

Crazy that someone of his stature is just saying this out loud now...


I finally watched the video where this quote came from and, as usual, what a giant misquote by those tweeters. The Congressman was talking about how he has always believed that aliens travelling here from other planets is the least likely explanation for the UAP, to which individuals like Grusch have said "they aren't travelling, they are phasing into existence."

So, no, those are not the Congressman's words. He even said, in regards to what Grusch and Elizondo have claimed "I don't believe anything they tell me. You have to show me."
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No one misquoted anything "as always." Neither tweet went out of its way to say those were the Congressman's own words. Same as me, they're simply surprised that those words came out of a Congressman's mouth at all, in a public forum, and that this subject is one that continues to be taken seriously by officials like him. Even if he's simply telling us what Elizondo and Grusch told him.

Speaking of, you conveniently failed to mention that he ALSO "confirmed the validity of some claims made by David Grusch during the SCIF with the ICIG" and that "it's basically true that there are compartmentalized programs being illegally concealed from Congress."

Which, in other words, tells us that Burlison trusts/is validating a lot of what Grusch is saying.

Either way, no one's trying to mislead anyone, especially seeing as we linked to both the Reddit post and the interview itself for all to read/watch.
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I always link to original sourcing and have a well earned reputation for accurate summation.
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You are naive if you think those tweets weren't meant to make people think the Congressman actually said that

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Speaking of, you conveniently failed to mention that he ALSO "confirmed the validity of some claims made by David Grusch during the SCIF with the ICIG" and that "it's basically true that there are compartmentalized programs being illegally concealed from Congress."
No one was even talking about this in those tweets, so I wasn't. And for the record, I have said all along that the claim of agencies working outside the supervision of congress was the real story
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The text on the tweet is misleading for sure, in the usual clickbait way that things are done now. Nothing to get defensive about.
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It's like he thinks every critical comment is directed at him.
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redline248 said:

You are naive if you think those tweets weren't meant to make people think the Congressman actually said that

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Speaking of, you conveniently failed to mention that he ALSO "confirmed the validity of some claims made by David Grusch during the SCIF with the ICIG" and that "it's basically true that there are compartmentalized programs being illegally concealed from Congress."
No one was even talking about this in those tweets, so I wasn't. And for the record, I have said all along that the claim of agencies working outside the supervision of congress was the real story


Except that he DID actually say that. What are you talking about? Is he quoting what others told him? Sure. But those words came out of his mouth, and then in the same interview he went on to validate the person who told him those words.
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This post right here is a great example of why no one can have a real discussion with you.
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redline248 said:

It's like he thinks every critical comment is directed at him.


So you can critique what I post but I can't critique what you post?

Got it.
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I didn't critique what you posted, I critiqued what the tweets said.
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Dude, you're splitting hairs in comical fashion, seeing as I clearly "endorsed" the tweets.
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Quote:

Except that he DID actually say that. What are you talking about? Is he quoting what others told him? Sure.
The issue is that it was presented in the tweet & repeated by you as if the Congressman originally said it AND it is implied that the Congressman believed that UAPs are "phasing into existence". None of which are true..... a classic clickbait tactic for engagement & I'm not sure why you're pretending otherwise.

Anyway, quite a successful thread derail. Time to let it die.


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I get that.

Yet, again…

"Grusch told me 'They are phasing into our existence.'"

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"Grusch's claims are credible."

= "They are phasing into our existence" having weight in the Congressman's eyes, i.e. not being *just* something he was quoting.

Context matters.

In the same way that redline248 complained about the tweets being "misleading," my point is that he was doing the exact same thing in his counter argument, by leaving out that crucial detail (that the Congressman believes Grusch to be a credible individual).

I was also pushing back on redline248's "as always" caveat, as if everything any of these tweets say is misleading, and it's all just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, which is not a true depiction either.

In other words, I wasn't taking anything "personally," I was contesting redline248's specific wording, same as he was contesting the specific wording of the tweets.
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Hell yeah. Finally. The first trailer for James Fox's documentary, The Program. Still no exact release date, but at least confirmed for "later this year"...

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Netflix series 'Unsolved Mysteries' describes the actual location of the Roswell craft, 27 miles east south-east of the debris field
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Stanton Friedman believed that TWO CRAFT (not one) were responsible for the debris left behind at Foster ranch in Corona. The second craft landed 120 miles north-west of the first craft in the Plains of San Agustin
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Roswell Daily Record headline was "RAAF captures FLYING SAUCER on ranch in Roswell region"

the term was "Flying Saucer" nothing about "debris"

Need to be careful, however, since Dody muddied things a bit ….

IIRC Elizondo said two craft and one was able to fly away
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Watching tonight.

Elizondo also recently said Roswell involved two craft.
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Redstone said:

Stanton Friedman believed that TWO CRAFT (not one) were responsible for the debris left behind at Foster ranch in Corona. The second craft landed 120 miles north-west of the first craft in the Plains of San Agustin

Redstone said:

Roswell Daily Record headline was "RAAF captures FLYING SAUCER on ranch in Roswell region"

the term was "Flying Saucer" nothing about "debris"

Need to be careful, however, since Dody muddied things a bit ….

IIRC Elizondo said two craft and one was able to fly away

TCTTS said:

Watching tonight.

Elizondo also recently said Roswell involved two craft.


Hate the guy all you want, but sounds like Doty is being corroborated to some degree

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Doty is such an interesting case. Because of his former position as what was basically a disinformation agent, he was almost assuredly aware of certain things. But also because of his former position... we can't trust a damn thing he says. I go back and forth on him all the time, but there's still always just something off and a slimy about him.
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He was a very bad actor in the recent past, running a disinfo campaign that ruined the life of a true believer.

And he could be honest about some things also.

Better to listen to Elizando, Grusch, Travis Walton, ect. - consistent stories, no proven disinfo history, willing to say I'm not sure. Would put Lazar in that category.
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Yeah, I'm aware of his history. Doesn't mean I can't listen to what he has to say now. He goes into detail about his deception in that interview. Listened to it a few years ago and found it interesting. Tucked away a few details to see what becomes of them.

He also goes into detail about the "Cash-Landrum incident" and am curious if that ever gets corroborated or refuted as more information comes out. It was a pretty long interview and he goes into detail about several things, most unprovable but a few could go one way or the other. He claims to be telling the truth now because he no longer works for the government, so any lies post-gov't would ruin him forever (not that he isn't kind of already and not that is he really in the spotlight). I don't follow him a lot, so maybe he already has done that.
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TCTTS said:

Doty is such an interesting case. Because of his former position as what was basically a disinformation agent, he was almost assuredly aware of certain things. But also because of his former position... we can't trust a damn thing he says. I go back and forth on him all the time, but there's always just something off and a slimy about him.
I agree, but like I mentioned in my response to redstone; he has made several interesting claims post-government and if any of that information gets disproven, then everything post-gov't can and should be disregarded. So, I kind of always keep a score-sheet when I hear anything pop-up that he mentioned in that interview.

And not "basically" a disinformation agent. He was 100% a disinformation agent (well, unless he is lying about that too, lol)
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I hear you, I definitely keep an open mind about him, and it's certainly interesting when he's validated from time to time.
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TCTTS said:

Doty is such an interesting case. Because of his former position as what was basically a disinformation agent, he was almost assuredly aware of certain things. But also because of his former position... we can't trust a damn thing he says. I go back and forth on him all the time, but there's still always just something off and a slimy about him.
I trust most of yall have watched Mirage Men by now.

I loved Linda Moulton Howe's appearance in that, chewing out the doc makers not to question her beliefs or disrespect her before she even hears their questions.

The end of it focuses on that question - unanswered - about whether Doty really turned towards wanting to reveal truth or is still a disinformation agent.
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The John Ford episode on ep. 2 of Out There Crimes
of the Paranormal, Hulu, is very upsetting. Must watch. Top UAP investigator on Long Island totally railroaded and still locked up in an insane asylum.
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Avi Loeb Coming up on the next Shawn Ryan Show. Preview posted above.
You do not have a soul. You are a soul that has a body.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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