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Rep. Anna Paulina Luna says the next UAP hearing will feature Unidentified Submerged Objects.

“We’re working on doing something with USO, so we’re talking to some people.”

A U.S. Navy whistleblower is coordinating with the UAP Caucus about testifying.#ufox #ufotwitter #ufo https://t.co/u91q7m5Pxo pic.twitter.com/G95NTn9hVB

— UAP James (@UAPJames) May 3, 2024

We don't understand what gravity is .. just how it behaves.

We don't understand how/why consciousness exists.

We don't know what/where dark matter is ... literally the bulk of the universe's mass.

We don't understand the nature of time.

To acknowledge all that while…

— David Bates (@DavidBWriter) May 5, 2024

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We don't understand what gravity is .. just how it behaves.

We don't understand how/why consciousness exists.

We don't know what/where dark matter is ... literally the bulk of the universe's mass.

We don't understand the nature of time.

To acknowledge all that while simultaneously poo-pooing UFOs/NHI as if those are somehow too far out of bounds represents a spectacular cognitive disconnect.

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TM: Let's talk about the congressional hearing convened this past July by the U.S. House Subcommittee on National Security. Two U.S. Navy pilots testified that they had seen mysterious objects zipping around them, with no apparent method of propulsion. A military intelligence officer, who had spent fourteen years with the Air Force and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, testified that top government officials had told him about a secret program that had spent decades recovering crashed UAP. He said he had also been told that "nonhuman" life formsalien bodieshad been found in the wreckage. The hearing made headlines worldwide, and it got a lot of people, including me, asking if we were really alone in the universe.

NS: Let's think through this. We are being asked to believe that aliens have flown hundreds of light-years to get here in crafts with fantastic technology. Some of these aliens apparently like to harass U.S. Navy pilots. A few of them get careless and crash-land their aircraft, which seems odd, considering how advanced these machines are supposed to be. And then the federal government finds these UAP and hides them from the rest of the world for years and years.

TM: Are you saying the Navy pilots didn't see anything?

NS: They weren't seeing anything with their own eyes. They were looking at jumpy, out-of-focus images coming from their onboard infrared cameras. In that footage you could see triangle-shaped objects that looked like flying saucers. But the reason the objects were triangular was because the camera's pupil [the shutter] was triangular. Also, one of the Navy jets was flying off the coast of Los Angeles, where there is lots of air traffic. The triangles blinked just like a commercial aircraft did. I looked at that video and my first question was "Why are you guys showing us this? It's obvious that the pilots were looking at airplanes."

TM: What about the military intelligence officer? Do you think he was he lying?

NS: I don't think he lied. But he admitted that he had only been told about recovered UAP. He had no firsthand, verifiable data. As the great astronomer Carl Sagan used to say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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In our post 2017 world, I guess I will simply never understand why certain scientists immediately belittle this stuff, and act so threatened by even the possibility of its existence, instead of expressing even the slightest bit of scientific curiosity toward it. It's such a huge tell, one that works to confirm their own bias, along the status quo, as opposed to engaging in a genuine pursuit of truth.

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C) A number of pilots HAVE, in fact, seen these craft with their own eyes. What Suntzeff is claiming is straight up inaccurate, if not an outright lie. Namely, Commander David Fravor of the Nimitz encounter - maybe the most famous and credible pilot to claim witness to a UAP - saw the tic tac with his own eyes, as did Commander Alex Dietrich. Never mind the countless other pilots who have come forward claiming they saw craft with their own eyes.

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This isn't directed at you, LawHall88, it just drives me nuts when supposed experts speak up on this stuff, who are so obviously out of their depths, lack any imagination whatsoever, and ignorantly apply such arbitrary guardrails to scenarios they're clearly setting up specifically to shoot down…

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Out of his depth? Did you really just type that about a guy with a PhD in astronomy and astrophysics? He applies guardrails because be actually understands what he is talking about. Maybe try learning from what he said rather than just tear down the messenger.

A) No one is saying NHI has to come from other planets or fly "hundreds of lightyears" to get here. As has been proposed countless times, NHI could just as easily be inter-dimensional, ultra-terrestrial, part of a break-away civilization, etc. In fact, it's becoming more and more apparent that these things potentially have a permanent presence on our planet - and have for quite some time now - be it in the oceans, mountains, or exist in some other kind of "frequency" we can't yet decipher/access.

Everything you're talking about is theoretical. We have little to no scientific proof any of these things are possible at this time. All of these scenarios are just as likely as there is to be a God ruling over us or we're all in a matrix type simulation. Just because something is "proposed", with no evidence to back it up, doesn't make it possible.

B) The more complex any system is, the more chances it has to malfunction. There will never be such a thing as perfect, non-malfunctioning technology. In other words, vehicular crashes won't just magically go away once gravity has been conquered. To say nothing of the proposed idea that some of the apparent UAP crashes could be "gifts" of some sort, almost like a test. As in, when and if we're able to reverse engineer it, we've finally "earned" the right to use it.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Something being more complex has nothing to do with malfunction. Not to mention that is why you build redundancies in more complex systems, so some small malfunction doesn't cause a major issue. Even then, the idea that we could reverse engineer something so far advanced from us is nothing but fiction. It would be so far out of our current understanding we wouldn't even know what it was, let alone how it worked.

And how exactly does one "conquer" gravity? Gravity is warped space time around large objects. There is nothing to conquer. Einstein figured this out over a century ago, yet UAP enthusiast continually try to claim we have no idea how it works, one again showing their ignorance.

C) A number of pilots HAVE, in fact, seen these craft with their own eyes. What Suntzeff is claiming is straight up inaccurate, if not an outright lie. Namely, Commander David Fravor of the Nimitz encounter - maybe the most famous and credible pilot to claim witness to a UAP - saw the tic tac with his own eyes, as did Commander Alex Dietrich. Never mind the countless other pilots who have come forward claiming they saw craft with their own eyes.

Ok, I'm sure they saw something, but we still have no proof it was anything substantial.

D) Grusch, indeed, has first-hand verifiable data, which has been confirmed by both the ICIG and members of Congress. Just because the public hasn't seen it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Verified by who? The government? The same government you're claiming has been involved in a decades long cover up to hide the existence of a civilization we can't even begin to understand?

In our post 2017 world, I guess I will simply never understand why certain scientists immediately belittle this stuff, and act so threatened by even the possibility of its existence, instead of expressing even the slightest bit of scientific curiosity toward it. It's such a huge tell, one that works to confirm their own bias, along with the status quo, as opposed to engaging in a genuine pursuit of truth.

He's not curious about the UAP claims because he has such a deep understanding of the subject matter that he can spot nonsense easily. The fact you can call this man ignorant and biased, while completely ignoring the fact that he has a deeper understanding of space and time than you, Grusch, and all of congress combined is astounding. I swear if you all would just spend half as much time learning actual physics as you do watching Youtube videos about UAP you would see how crazy most of this really is from a scientific view.

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