The first two are obviously a bald eagle.

TKEAg04 said:

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The first two are obviously a bald eagle.

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I think I see a coconut in its talons

BenFiasco14 said:

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TKEAg04 said:

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The first two are obviously a bald eagle.

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I think I see a coconut in its talons

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Are you sure it's not an African or European swallow?

Whoa whoa whoa...

So Grusch has an extended connection both professionally and socially with Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, George Knapp, Corbell, and that gang? All lifelong UFO conspiracy guys with direct ties to Skinwalker Ranch and Ancient Aliens and AlienCon and all the rest???

There are pictures of him out to dinner with them over a year ago and the fact (which I didn't know before) that Taylor and Stratton were apparently part of the same UAP Task force as Grusch pretty much tells me that being a nutjob was a requirement there.

From over a year ago:

Critics dumbfounded by reality TV star Travis Taylor's position as "chief scientist"

In fact, Taylor did serve in a lead role with the government's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force, which produced 2021's fuzzy UFO report, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough confirmed to ScienceInsider.

They note that Taylor has made extraordinary claims during TV appearances, including to have "seen more UFOs than I can count," and that he's been tracked by supernatural entities that caused his car and appliances to malfunction. "I find it very difficult to believe" federal authorities gave Taylor a prominent role in preparing the UFO report, says Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute who is familiar with Taylor's involvement with Ancient Aliens, a cable TV show that promotes far-fetched UFO narratives.

In recent statements to George Knapp, a TV journalist in Las Vegas, Taylor said he was asked to be the government's lead scientist on UFOs in 2019 by Jay Stratton, whom he counts as a long-time DOD colleague and friend.

Pentagon UFO study led by researcher who believes in the supernatural | Science | AAAS

Elsewhere I read that while they complained that their bosses dismissed sightings too easily, the problem was that everything they studied was in their mind either still unexplained or alien, they only solved 1 out of 144 events. That would certainly explain why they saw everything as a coverup, because more responsible people above them weren't buying their crap. And also why there's a total disconnect with Sean Kirkpatrick.

I'm now more confident than ever this will go nowhere, and I will happily stay and mock myself mercilessly along with you guys if I turn out to be wrong. Grusch may not be lying (or be aware that he is), but with his history of autism and with prolonged exposure to that group he's probably just indoctrinated.

This thing stinks.

Joes said:

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Whoa whoa whoa...

So Grusch has an extended connection both professionally and socially with Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, George Knapp, Corbell, and that gang? All lifelong UFO conspiracy guys with direct ties to Skinwalker Ranch and Ancient Aliens and AlienCon and all the rest???

There are pictures of him out to dinner with them over a year ago and the fact (which I didn't know before) that Taylor and Stratton were apparently part of the same UAP Task force as Grusch pretty much tells me that being a nutjob was a requirement there.

From over a year ago:

Critics dumbfounded by reality TV star Travis Taylor's position as "chief scientist"

In fact, Taylor did serve in a lead role with the government's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force, which produced 2021's fuzzy UFO report, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough confirmed to ScienceInsider.

They note that Taylor has made extraordinary claims during TV appearances, including to have "seen more UFOs than I can count," and that he's been tracked by supernatural entities that caused his car and appliances to malfunction. "I find it very difficult to believe" federal authorities gave Taylor a prominent role in preparing the UFO report, says Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute who is familiar with Taylor's involvement with Ancient Aliens, a cable TV show that promotes far-fetched UFO narratives.

In recent statements to George Knapp, a TV journalist in Las Vegas, Taylor said he was asked to be the government's lead scientist on UFOs in 2019 by Jay Stratton, whom he counts as a long-time DOD colleague and friend.

Pentagon UFO study led by researcher who believes in the supernatural | Science | AAAS

Elsewhere I read that while they complained that their bosses dismissed sightings too easily, the problem was that everything they studied was in their mind either still unexplained or alien, they only solved 1 out of 144 events. That would certainly explain why they saw everything as a coverup, because more responsible people above them weren't buying their crap. And also why there's a total disconnect with Sean Kirkpatrick.

I'm now more confident than ever this will go nowhere, and I will happily stay and mock myself mercilessly along with you guys if I turn out to be wrong. Grusch may not be lying (or be aware that he is), but with his history of autism and with prolonged exposure to that group he's probably just indoctrinated.

This thing stinks.

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I'm half joking, but I'm also kind of sort of starting to wonder if you're some kind of disinformation agent/paid troll, sent to comb popular message boards in attempt to sew as much skepticism as humanly possible in this subject. If not paid, I can't imagine someone being as obsessively persistent as you, while continually - and seemingly purposefully - leaving out crucial points over and over and over again, and repeating disingenuous talking points almost word-for-word from stooges like Steven Greenstreet.

All this effort for something you don't believe in.

Again, healthy skepticism is warranted, and I'm all for a good debate. But man, the amount of bad faith conclusions you continually jump to, and the things you simply decide in your head, are just as egregious as the things you keep accusing the "believers" of doing.

If any of you have watched the latest season of "Skinwalker Ranch" from the History channel, you would be impressed with the amount of scientific data and findings they have recorded about UAPs. The ranch is in Utah and they have had the State AG, the former Governor and a sitting US Senator on the show. These high level politicians are all paying close attention to the data coming out of these findings.

I really don't care about "skeptics" like "Joes" at this point. Just a bunch of noise.

TCTTS said:

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Joes said:

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Whoa whoa whoa...

So Grusch has an extended connection both professionally and socially with Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, George Knapp, Corbell, and that gang? All lifelong UFO conspiracy guys with direct ties to Skinwalker Ranch and Ancient Aliens and AlienCon and all the rest???

There are pictures of him out to dinner with them over a year ago and the fact (which I didn't know before) that Taylor and Stratton were apparently part of the same UAP Task force as Grusch pretty much tells me that being a nutjob was a requirement there.

From over a year ago:

Critics dumbfounded by reality TV star Travis Taylor's position as "chief scientist"

In fact, Taylor did serve in a lead role with the government's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force, which produced 2021's fuzzy UFO report, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough confirmed to ScienceInsider.

They note that Taylor has made extraordinary claims during TV appearances, including to have "seen more UFOs than I can count," and that he's been tracked by supernatural entities that caused his car and appliances to malfunction. "I find it very difficult to believe" federal authorities gave Taylor a prominent role in preparing the UFO report, says Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute who is familiar with Taylor's involvement with Ancient Aliens, a cable TV show that promotes far-fetched UFO narratives.

In recent statements to George Knapp, a TV journalist in Las Vegas, Taylor said he was asked to be the government's lead scientist on UFOs in 2019 by Jay Stratton, whom he counts as a long-time DOD colleague and friend.

Pentagon UFO study led by researcher who believes in the supernatural | Science | AAAS

Elsewhere I read that while they complained that their bosses dismissed sightings too easily, the problem was that everything they studied was in their mind either still unexplained or alien, they only solved 1 out of 144 events. That would certainly explain why they saw everything as a coverup, because more responsible people above them weren't buying their crap. And also why there's a total disconnect with Sean Kirkpatrick.

I'm now more confident than ever this will go nowhere, and I will happily stay and mock myself mercilessly along with you guys if I turn out to be wrong. Grusch may not be lying (or be aware that he is), but with his history of autism and with prolonged exposure to that group he's probably just indoctrinated.

This thing stinks.

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I'm half joking, but I'm also kind of sort of starting to wonder if you're some kind of disinformation agent/paid troll, sent to comb popular message boards in attempt to sew as much skepticism as humanly possible in this subject. If not paid, I can't imagine someone being as obsessively persistent as you, while continually - and seemingly purposefully - leaving out crucial points over and over and over again, and repeating disingenuous talking points almost word-for-word from stooges like Steven Greenstreet.

All this effort for something you don't believe in.

Again, healthy skepticism is warranted, and I'm all for a good debate. But man, the amount of bad faith conclusions you continually jump to, and the things you simply decide in your head, are just as egregious as the things you keep accusing the "believers" of doing.

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Hahaha! Ok great, you caught me, I'm part of the coverup too. We'll see what happens.

No, you just don't contribute much anymore to this thread except for excessively long posts I have to scroll past…

"You don't agree with me so you must be a paid troll."

Rocagnante said:

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No, you just don't contribute much anymore to this thread except for excessively long posts I have to scroll past…

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You describing Joes or TCTTS?

The only difference is one shares your faith, the other shares your interest just with more skepticism.

I also find it interesting that the board that makes fun of F 16 so much tries to absolutely savage anyone that goes against the group.

Yep…

Mr President Elect said:

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Sea Speed said:

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"You don't agree with me so you must be a paid troll."

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No kidding, right?? I personally found it quite informative and ground-breaking that Grusch confided with those in the ufo community during his whistleblowing process on ***checks notes*** ufo's. Also, his Grusch is a nut by proxy is a very strong argument that he (Grusch) cannot be taken seriosly. I for one welcome Joe bleeding all over this thread with his unbiased analysis.

Btw, someone needs to tell these guys they should remove this very damaging admission that they talked with Grusch in the past

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Bingo. It's all so funny to me. As you point out, all of these relationships have been disclosed and in the news for months now. We've known for years that all these guys in the UAP world - the Strattons, the Taylors, the Corbells, the Knapps, the Coultharts - all talk to each other, and all have witnesses, both military and civilian, approaching them all the time. Hell, Corbell and Knapp were sitting DIRECTLY behind Grusch during the entire hearing, on national TV, and I saw Grusch turn around and speak to Corbell specifically multiple times. None of this is even remotely a secret, nor is it cause for suspicion or alarm.

TCTTS said:

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Sea Speed said:

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"You don't agree with me so you must be a paid troll."

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Of course, you're conveniently leaving out the part where I literally said, "… healthy skepticism is warranted, and I'm all for a good debate." Roughly the same thing I said last week, and have repeated plenty of times prior.

It's not about disagreement at all.

I don't give a sh*t that Joes or anyone else is coming at this from a skeptical viewpoint.

Rather - again - it's simply about being disingenuous in one's argument, and making unfounded assumptions in the process, as if they were fact.

That's it and that's all.

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You're "all for a good debate" so long as the person you're debating does so just how you say they should be allowed to. If anyone dares stray from the tctts approved method of speaking about a topic that he is involved with, watch out because we will get several paragraphs with lots of stars and fun italics telling us how he is definitely right and you're definitely wrong.

TCTTS said:

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Ah, yes, sorry my suggestions for discourse essentially boil down to, "Maybe don't constantly state feelings as facts?"

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Ha! That's rich. Wow.

Joes said:

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TCTTS said:

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Joes said:

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Whoa whoa whoa...

So Grusch has an extended connection both professionally and socially with Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, George Knapp, Corbell, and that gang? All lifelong UFO conspiracy guys with direct ties to Skinwalker Ranch and Ancient Aliens and AlienCon and all the rest???

There are pictures of him out to dinner with them over a year ago and the fact (which I didn't know before) that Taylor and Stratton were apparently part of the same UAP Task force as Grusch pretty much tells me that being a nutjob was a requirement there.

From over a year ago:

Critics dumbfounded by reality TV star Travis Taylor's position as "chief scientist"

In fact, Taylor did serve in a lead role with the government's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force, which produced 2021's fuzzy UFO report, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough confirmed to ScienceInsider.

They note that Taylor has made extraordinary claims during TV appearances, including to have "seen more UFOs than I can count," and that he's been tracked by supernatural entities that caused his car and appliances to malfunction. "I find it very difficult to believe" federal authorities gave Taylor a prominent role in preparing the UFO report, says Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute who is familiar with Taylor's involvement with Ancient Aliens, a cable TV show that promotes far-fetched UFO narratives.

In recent statements to George Knapp, a TV journalist in Las Vegas, Taylor said he was asked to be the government's lead scientist on UFOs in 2019 by Jay Stratton, whom he counts as a long-time DOD colleague and friend.

Pentagon UFO study led by researcher who believes in the supernatural | Science | AAAS

Elsewhere I read that while they complained that their bosses dismissed sightings too easily, the problem was that everything they studied was in their mind either still unexplained or alien, they only solved 1 out of 144 events. That would certainly explain why they saw everything as a coverup, because more responsible people above them weren't buying their crap. And also why there's a total disconnect with Sean Kirkpatrick.

I'm now more confident than ever this will go nowhere, and I will happily stay and mock myself mercilessly along with you guys if I turn out to be wrong. Grusch may not be lying (or be aware that he is), but with his history of autism and with prolonged exposure to that group he's probably just indoctrinated.

This thing stinks.

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I'm half joking, but I'm also kind of sort of starting to wonder if you're some kind of disinformation agent/paid troll, sent to comb popular message boards in attempt to sew as much skepticism as humanly possible in this subject. If not paid, I can't imagine someone being as obsessively persistent as you, while continually - and seemingly purposefully - leaving out crucial points over and over and over again, and repeating disingenuous talking points almost word-for-word from stooges like Steven Greenstreet.

All this effort for something you don't believe in.

Again, healthy skepticism is warranted, and I'm all for a good debate. But man, the amount of bad faith conclusions you continually jump to, and the things you simply decide in your head, are just as egregious as the things you keep accusing the "believers" of doing.

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Hahaha! Ok great, you caught me, I'm part of the coverup too. We'll see what happens.

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He's got a point. Your passion for this subject - that is, the need to shoot it down, is more militant than any so called "believers" on this thread. You really seem to hate this for some reason, but care enough to keep posting. We get it, you don't buy it. Why do you care enough to keep trying to bolster the position we all know you clearly hold?

I think you truly do believe and want it to be true. Why else hang around the thread? Your constant poo pooing is definitely a bit of a downer.

I appreciate what Joe brings to the thread…