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There is a part 2 of that article. I'm not sure how to feel about it.

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Yeah, there's a part 2 and a few follow-ups.

I hadn't posted them here because I thought it was crap (still do)....but when I read the 4chan posts, there were a lot of similarities.

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I remember reading that 4chan thread a few weeks ago. It struck me as a total LARP. Currently I'm reading Corso's book about Roswell, since it was specifically mentioned in the 1998 document linked earlier up above.

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf

Not sure I buy anything in that document yet, but Corso's book has been very interesting so far.

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That's a blast from the past….I'll have to see if I still have that book somewhere. Read it in the 90's. Take those claims with a grain of salt. Storm Thurmond was lied to about the contents of the book when he wrote the forward about Corso. I think other Corso claims may have been proven false or exaggerated.

To me he's a good example of the conflict of interest when you claim to have knowledge of the subject and are also trying to sell books or TV shows about it. You have a financial incentive to exaggerate, leave out critical information or just flat out lie in order to sell more books and TV shows. It takes an already high burden of proof and makes it even higher for your claims.

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Agreed. I learned my lesson with "The Monuments of Mars".

Strom Thurmond's foreword was pretty generic. It was the type of polite support you would expect a politician to write about a staffer.

Was Corso's book ghostwritten? The account is compelling and hard to put down, but quite self-serving at times. Some of the details he claims about the Roswell crash debris and occupants would have been new information in 1998, but have since popped back up recently. My suspicion is that this book is the only source for those rumors.

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Corso's book is very interesting. Just heard yesterday that it is spot on. And this came from someone who had his doubts originally.

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Could be anything. A faulty stench coil, some cheese on the lens... who knows?

Seriously, though, cool story.

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There is a part 2 of that article. I'm not sure how to feel about it.

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Yeah, there's a part 2 and a few follow-ups.

I hadn't posted them here because I thought it was crap (still do)....but when I read the 4chan posts, there were a lot of similarities.

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I remember reading that 4chan thread a few weeks ago. It struck me as a total LARP. Currently I'm reading Corso's book about Roswell, since it was specifically mentioned in the 1998 document linked earlier up above.

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf

Not sure I buy anything in that document yet, but Corso's book has been very interesting so far.

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That's a blast from the past….I'll have to see if I still have that book somewhere. Read it in the 90's. Take those claims with a grain of salt. Storm Thurmond was lied to about the contents of the book when he wrote the forward about Corso. I think other Corso claims may have been proven false or exaggerated.

To me he's a good example of the conflict of interest when you claim to have knowledge of the subject and are also trying to sell books or TV shows about it. You have a financial incentive to exaggerate, leave out critical information or just flat out lie in order to sell more books and TV shows. It takes an already high burden of proof and makes it even higher for your claims.

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Agreed. I learned my lesson with "The Monuments of Mars".

Strom Thurmond's foreword was pretty generic. It was the type of polite support you would expect a politician to write about a staffer.

Was Corso's book ghostwritten? The account is compelling and hard to put down, but quite self-serving at times. Some of the details he claims about the Roswell crash debris and occupants would have been new information in 1998, but have since popped back up recently. My suspicion is that this book is the only source for those rumors.

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Corso's book is very interesting. Just heard yesterday that it is spot on. And this came from someone who had his doubts originally.

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This book? Is this the one that's spot on?

The Day After Roswell (1997)

Colonel Corso also claimed the world was "at war" with extraterrestrials and that the Strategic Defense Initiative project was part of that campaign that was successfully concluded in Earth's favour.

Personally, I don't trust The Day After Roswell because, technically, yeah, it's "ghost" written by William J. Brines. Basically, Brines used Colonel Corso's personal journal to expand and embellish into a book, so it's hard to know what comes from Corso and what comes from Brines. I have a link to Corso's original journal somewhere, and it's apparently less sensational/a bit more just-the-facts, but it would take me forever to find (though I got it online).

Regardless, re: Roswell, I would stick to anything written by Stanton Friedman or Donald Schmitt. Those are the two most trusted, well-researched authors on the subject, who have each spent decades tracking down literally hundreds of witnesses/interviews, compiling all the facts, etc. Most of the Roswell story's pillars come from them, they're both incredibly straight shooters, and no else really compares.

James Fox is convinced that UFO evidence and more whistleblowers are coming out.

James Fox is willing to bet $1000 that this will come out within 1 year from now.

- High resolution satellite images
- Other photographic evidence
- First hand witnesses
- Additional people… pic.twitter.com/gtUvM0wuFW

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) August 2, 2023

Fox is legit. Follow him closely. He is trusted and comprehensive.

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James Fox is convinced that UFO evidence and more whistleblowers are coming out.

James Fox is willing to bet $1000 that this will come out within 1 year from now.

- High resolution satellite images
- Other photographic evidence
- First hand witnesses
- Additional people… pic.twitter.com/gtUvM0wuFW

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) August 2, 2023

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So Grusch said he would give names after the hearing, but do we have confirmation he actually has done that? I haven't heard Burchett confirm. I thought we heard they were denied the SCIF afterwards or something and that's still in limbo. Can you guys clarify for me?

I mean I guess he supposedly gave them to the Inspector General before the hearing, but did the congressmen ever actually get them after?

I'm right where the guy on the right is. Even a single microbe that could be confirmed as having any other origin than Earth would be the biggest story in world history by a factor of 10,000. The idea that we'll end up skipping that step all the way up to non-humans are actively regularly flying all around us and interacting with us is just too big a jump to be credible to me until we have absolutely unassailable proof. The claim is just too big.

Fox's counter that we need to spend time actually researching this or that we need to interview generals to know about this stuff is silly. It would be, and should be, readily apparent in order to be finally accepted and the burden of proof is on the claimant. I don't need to spend decades unraveling mysteries and determining what is credible witness testimony to know how far we are from the sun or to know the diameter of Mars. People will accept it when we can see unambiguous proof of the beings and craft. That's it. If it's coming like Fox says then great. But this idea that the biggest story ever can only be confirmed by doing your best Sherlock Holmes impression and if you don't then the ignorance is on you is ridiculous.

As I've said before, it's almost like the most passionate ones about this are so close to it (it seems like everyone who is invested in this story will say they've been obsessed with it since childhood or whatever) that I think sometimes the closest ones to this have lost all perspective on how big this actually would be. I saw someone on another forum the other day excitedly say that this would be the be the most exciting news of his lifetime or even the century. Hello?? I mean the skeptics seem to know more than the enthusiasts exactly how big this would be. Again, even a microbe found by a probe in another solar system would the biggest thing ever by far. These claims are right out of the XCOM games that I've played for 30 years.

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There is a part 2 of that article. I'm not sure how to feel about it.

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Yeah, there's a part 2 and a few follow-ups.

I hadn't posted them here because I thought it was crap (still do)....but when I read the 4chan posts, there were a lot of similarities.

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I remember reading that 4chan thread a few weeks ago. It struck me as a total LARP. Currently I'm reading Corso's book about Roswell, since it was specifically mentioned in the 1998 document linked earlier up above.

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf

Not sure I buy anything in that document yet, but Corso's book has been very interesting so far.

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That's a blast from the past….I'll have to see if I still have that book somewhere. Read it in the 90's. Take those claims with a grain of salt. Storm Thurmond was lied to about the contents of the book when he wrote the forward about Corso. I think other Corso claims may have been proven false or exaggerated.

To me he's a good example of the conflict of interest when you claim to have knowledge of the subject and are also trying to sell books or TV shows about it. You have a financial incentive to exaggerate, leave out critical information or just flat out lie in order to sell more books and TV shows. It takes an already high burden of proof and makes it even higher for your claims.

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Agreed. I learned my lesson with "The Monuments of Mars".

Strom Thurmond's foreword was pretty generic. It was the type of polite support you would expect a politician to write about a staffer.

Was Corso's book ghostwritten? The account is compelling and hard to put down, but quite self-serving at times. Some of the details he claims about the Roswell crash debris and occupants would have been new information in 1998, but have since popped back up recently. My suspicion is that this book is the only source for those rumors.

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Corso's book is very interesting. Just heard yesterday that it is spot on. And this came from someone who had his doubts originally.

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This book? Is this the one that's spot on?

The Day After Roswell (1997)

Colonel Corso also claimed the world was "at war" with extraterrestrials and that the Strategic Defense Initiative project was part of that campaign that was successfully concluded in Earth's favour.

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YUP Lots of that will come to light hopefully. I had never heard about it either..but have seen it in other places since.

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I'm hearing the et reality will be disclosed much sooner. There seems to be an urgency to get this done.

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Dr. Courtney Brown at Farsight

Greer has mentioned it as well.

Greer is a proven liar and fraud.

Please stop with him.

Brown is a serious academic, but it's best at this point to focus on military, contractors, and their media mouthpieces with good track records (including the annoying Corbell).

Full disclosure approaches and they matter the most.

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Fox is legit. Follow him closely. He is trusted and comprehensive.

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I think him and Corbell both come off a little too fanboy at times. They aren't on my ignore list or anything though as they do bring valuable information to light.

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Personally, I don't trust The Day After Roswell because, technically, yeah, it's "ghost" written by William J. Brines. Basically, Brines used Colonel Corso's personal journal to expand and embellish into a book, so it's hard to know what comes from Corso and what comes from Brines. I have a link to Corso's original journal somewhere, and it's apparently less sensational/a bit more just-the-facts, but it would take me forever to find (though I got it online).

Regardless, re: Roswell, I would stick to anything written by Stanton Friedman or Donald Schmitt. Those are the two most trusted, well-researched authors on the subject, who have each spent decades tracking down literally hundreds of witnesses/interviews, compiling all the facts, etc. Most of the Roswell story's pillars come from them, they're both incredibly straight shooters, and no else really compares.

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What are your thoughts on Richard Doty?

Good documentary on a real event down under.

Very bad actor.
https://sqpn.com/2021/02/paul-bennewitz-alien-invasion-dulce-base-project-beta-richard-doty/

Yeah, I am aware of Bennewitz. He (Doty) was a paid liar and false flag operator, but also has stated that we have ufo's in possession and talks about Corona and stuff I haven't heard about, admittedly I don't deep dive as much as some on this thread, so it might be common ufology stuff. He's retired now, so supposedly he is telling the truth, but who knows.

Consistency across time and environment. Best way to analyze a topic like this, IF looking at testimony.

Travis Walton, Rendlesham Forest experiences, Barney and Betty Hill - we have plenty.

Guys like Doty are a hall of mirrors.

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Personally, I don't trust The Day After Roswell because, technically, yeah, it's "ghost" written by William J. Brines. Basically, Brines used Colonel Corso's personal journal to expand and embellish into a book, so it's hard to know what comes from Corso and what comes from Brines. I have a link to Corso's original journal somewhere, and it's apparently less sensational/a bit more just-the-facts, but it would take me forever to find (though I got it online).

Regardless, re: Roswell, I would stick to anything written by Stanton Friedman or Donald Schmitt. Those are the two most trusted, well-researched authors on the subject, who have each spent decades tracking down literally hundreds of witnesses/interviews, compiling all the facts, etc. Most of the Roswell story's pillars come from them, they're both incredibly straight shooters, and no else really compares.

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I can't count out the idea that maybe he truly does have some legit knowledge and has seen some things, but as has been stated, by his very nature/former job, he's just too damn untrustworthy. So I really don't listen to anything he has to say.

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Been thinking about this a lot lately. Yes, these are obviously two GIANT assumptions, but...

1) Assuming "the phenomenon" is real, and we have confirmation/disclosure within the next five-ish years of its existence on Earth...

2) Assuming we also achieve artificial general intelligence (AGI) within the next five-ish years, a timeframe many experts now seem to agree on...

... what are the chances, in the 300,000-ish year existence of Homo sapiens, that we see the greatest discovery in the history of our species (1) - AND - the greatest achievement in the history of our species (2) at basically the EXACT same time, both in the third decade of the 21st century?

That would have to be more than coincidence, right? I'm not explicitly saying either one would be responsible for the other, but man, one would have to think the two are related in some way, right?

Seeing as UFO sightings exploded right around the time we detonated the first atomic bomb, I wonder if our development of AGI gives off a similar ping, to whoever might be watching/listening, that we're about to achieve yet another world-changing milestone. Or maybe the former is a signal of sorts, and it's only a matter of time - say, 85-ish years - until a civilization who can split the atom achieves AGI. And perhaps our development of AGI is what spurs those listeners/watchers to finally need to intervene in some way? Crazy, I know, but just thinking out loud, as the movie idea part of my brain starts spinning.

Either way, what a time to be alive...

Answering your questions asked here on X
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— Richard Dolan Intelligent Disclosure (@I_D_Official) July 31, 2023

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Throw potential cancer cures on the list. https://t.co/wuyqvhZeNw

— Deep Prasad (yug-cybera) (@Deepneuron) August 3, 2023

That cancer article is an instance of something I want to read about, but then I see the article is 31 pages long and I'm like...

Well - because they are not the same.

It's quite obvious who is much more reliable: military / contractors putting their careers on the line, who are consistent and not running a business. And experiencers likewise.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/annoyed-william-shatner-weighs-in-on-claims-of-government-harboring-ufos/ar-AA1eKUh2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fa0541bfcc7346569c2e1ab478a9a3ec&ei=8

Not sure why Capt. Kirk would be triggered like this..

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/annoyed-william-shatner-weighs-in-on-claims-of-government-harboring-ufos/ar-AA1eKUh2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fa0541bfcc7346569c2e1ab478a9a3ec&ei=8

Not sure why Capt. Kirk would be triggered like this..

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He was asked his opinion and he calmly said he didn't think there was anything to it except imagination. I tend to agree from what we've seen so far. Most people are not going to adopt the attitude that it's aliens until proven otherwise. That's backwards. It's by far the least likely explanation so far.

You all have to admit it would have been really funny though if he reprised his legendary SNL bit "Before I answer any more questions, there's something I wanted to say," he announces from a podium. "Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled, you know, hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say … get a life, will you, people?! I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!"

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Well - because they are not the same.

It's quite obvious who is much more reliable: military / contractors putting their careers on the line, who are consistent and not running a business. And experiencers likewise.

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I understand that, but what I'm saying is to the average person who has not spent their lives invested in this you can't expect them to differentiate between Greer and Grusch or Childress and Coulthart when they're all featured from the same source that broke Grusch's and Coulthart's story.

What I mean is, I hear you personally and I accept what you're saying, but to most people all this only increases the frustration and confusion. To any average person, hearing one person they've never seen before saying we've hidden alien bodies and craft for 80 years is not any less crazy than someone else they've never seen saying we have 1300 miles of secret tunnels and bases under the western states or whatever. Maybe Coulthart needs to get on the phone with them and tell them that they're destroying the credibility he's trying to build and completely undermining the whole point of his featured interview.

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You seem to get hung up on things that sound unfathonable. A lot of us are willing to accept there is a lot that we don't know and not just entirely dismiss it on how crazy it sounds. It's not lost on a lot of us that some of this sounds crazy and we keep an open mind to the idea that there is a possibility that some crazy stuff is going on and there is a lot we don't know. Not that we actually believe that it is true just because someone said it.

I say this because Greer does actually have legit sources. His problem, at least to me, is that disclosure takes a back seat to his ego and money making machine. He doesn't spout off 100% nonsense all the time, but if he can elevate his name or make him more money, it doesn't seem to be beneath him to go that direction over truth. So, just because Greer said it and just because it sounds crazy, doesn't mean I will dissmiss it. At this point though, I'm really just waiting for the dominoes to fall (if they ever do).

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What a strange critique lol

"You seem to have a problem with unilaterally believing crazy ****"

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When did I say he should believe it? It was more pointed towards being close-minded to things we don't know and things that defy our current understanding of the universe (which is pretty freaking little).

Here's the audio interview with David Grusch and his lawyer, Charles "Chuck" McCullough, that the BBC just finished airing...

Key points from Grusch:
- He went public with his claims so that the public at large could better understand their place in the universe, in the cosmos
-… pic.twitter.com/g5m4YVvley

— TheJuan1️⃣ (@planethunter56) August 3, 2023

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What a strange critique lol

"You seem to have a problem with unilaterally believing crazy ****"

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When did I say he should believe it? It was more pointed towards being close-minded to things we don't know and things that defy our current understanding of the universe (which is pretty freaking little).

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In all seriousness I completely agree with you, we obviously still have far more to learn than what we currently know. And I certainly wouldn't argue that any of these claims are impossible. And just as you guys have acknowledged that you might all be wrong I have also repeated multiple times that I will jump onboard immediately if I'm proven wrong. But it's just that the methodology is strange to me.

I think that filling in the unknown with appealing placeholder stuff that just sounds interesting (and which can rarely be disproven) in the hopes that eventually it'll be proven correct leads to bad results. In other words, if someone is seriously studying a subject, any subject, he should never ever have a goal of proving something to either be true or false because it's been shown over and over that the confirmation bias is unavoidable. You take the solid evidence that you can find and suggest an explanation from a neutral point. And until then it just stays at "I don't know". And no one should reasonably see a strange shape or color in the sky and assume aliens when you have to know that it's almost certainly something earthly and tangible, even if you never get that specific explanation.

So as a funny but useful example there's a Calvin and Hobbes short where he's fascinated by dinosaurs (as all boys are) and finds old buried plastic plates and straws and cups in the yard, tells himself it's dinosaur bones, and assembles a reasonable facsimile of a dinosaur skeleton from them. But in reality without his bias it's still nothing but a bunch of random trash. But sure, a dinosaur is more interesting since that's what he's determined to see.

Basically, it's pareidolia: The tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/annoyed-william-shatner-weighs-in-on-claims-of-government-harboring-ufos/ar-AA1eKUh2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fa0541bfcc7346569c2e1ab478a9a3ec&ei=8

Not sure why Capt. Kirk would be triggered like this..

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He was asked his opinion and he calmly said he didn't think there was anything to it except imagination. I tend to agree from what we've seen so far. Most people are not going to adopt the attitude that it's aliens until proven otherwise. That's backwards. It's by far the least likely explanation so far.

You all have to admit it would have been really funny though if he reprised his legendary SNL bit "Before I answer any more questions, there's something I wanted to say," he announces from a podium. "Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled, you know, hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say … get a life, will you, people?! I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!"

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Is this the rationale behind the et reality being the least likely explanation?

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

or perhaps this:

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981

Lighten up a tad amigos....

#ufotwitter #ufoX pic.twitter.com/nAexMM6nWb

— 𝙐𝙁𝙊𝘽 ʷᵉ'ʳᵉ ⁿᵒᵗ ᵃˡᵒⁿᵉ (@UFOB_) August 3, 2023

This strikes me as a very clear-eyed take on all this UAP business: either the whistleblowers are telling the truth or it's all bullshit, and with either outcome something not-great is going on. https://t.co/JKInmgzmXj

— Wampler™ (@ScottWamplerRIP) August 4, 2023