*** UAP THREAD ***

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Only Democrat presidents have come forward. Obviously it's all part of a woke liberal agenda….

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Thanks for that Twitter feed, fascinating stuff.

I still say they aren't going to tell us the whole truth, maybe a "modified limited hangout" But iIFthey did decide to do so, how in the world would they stage it?
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Did you not read the tweets? Tom D obviously.

Man, I remember listenting to him on Rogan several years ago and thinking he was a nutcase. Crazy to think that at least some of that was true.
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Agristotle said:

Thanks for that Twitter feed, fascinating stuff.

I still say they aren't going to tell us the whole truth, maybe a "modified limited hangout" But iIFthey did decide to do so, how in the world would they stage it?

From everything being said, of those in-the-know, it sounds like there are two distinct factions at the top: those trying to suppress disclosure and those trying to make disclosure happen. So it's not like this is some kind of officially sanctioned government rollout, where everyone's on board an in agreement. Rather, it's that those trying to make disclosure happen have been doing so for years, in a coordinated effort, when and where they can, however they can, without breaking laws or ending up in prison, an effort which has steadily been gaining traction year after year. All in the face of those desperately trying to keep the secret/status quo, going on 90 years now.

So, like I said earlier, I think it's ultimately going to be a leak of some kind - video + documentation that finally backs up some kind of official, first-hand testimony - finally forcing the non-disclosure side to come clean, and yeah, admit to least *part* of the truth.
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Mr President Elect said:

Did you not read the tweets? Tom D obviously.

Man, I remember listenting to him on Rogan several years ago and thinking he was a nutcase. Crazy to think that at least some of that was true.

For the record, I think he still is a bit of a nutcase. Props to him for getting the ball rolling, though, and while he definitely knows a good chunk of what's going on behind the scenes, I also think he has a habit of going a bit too far down certain rabbit holes, into weird(er), fringe territory.
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Tom started with an interest in the moon, and like so many it's hard when confronted with blatant and proven NASA lying (no I'm not saying Apollo was fake).

The best pathway is Edgar Mitchell - there's something deep, profound, and spiritual going on here, and we need more honesty. Again, I think the best explanatory power is the inter-dimensional / spiritual "powers of the air" that can materialize.
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Thanks for the referral to "The Believer". Fascinating read.
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Glad to hear. Blumenthal is a reporter in the best sense: skeptical, honest, tenacious, cultivating of sources but cynical.
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IMO, the most plausible, easiest explanation, is that "they" are simply advanced civilizations with highly advanced tech/means to travel great distances. I do think the Bible does refer to them...sons of God etc, Elohim etc. even angels, but they are simply extraterrestrial beings. This is the sorta stuff our military/intelligence officials do not want coming out-hence the intensely maintained cover-up ever since 1947. I think this will become clearer as the process continues.

Back in the '40s, 50's, half of the Pentagon thought they were demons, the other half off-planeters. I've heard most now believe they are off world beings and or interdimensional.

In fact, there are apparently 2 factions within the Pentagon now each supporting 2 factions of et. One group, the "Free-Will" ets and another, the more controlling, authoritarian group. The latter evidently being the bad guys. Traditionally, we have sided with the controlling group...obtaining some tech etc for..who knows what. We've sorta woken up and are now trying to break away from them and siding with the free will faction. They won't intervene however unless asked.

Fascinating time to be alive.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Did you join Texags simply for the UFO discussion?
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It's spyderman
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Sea Speed said:

Did you join Texags simply for the UFO discussion?
Oh no, I just have a fondness for fellow aggies. For many the subject will be troubling. The issue sorta takes front seat over football, virus, Trump, guns, statues etc.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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redline248 said:

It's spyderman


Duuuh. Idk how I didn't pick up on that.
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Aztec1948 said:

IMO, the most plausible, easiest explanation, is that "they" are simply advanced civilizations with highly advanced tech/means to travel great distances. I do think the Bible does refer to them...sons of God etc, Elohim etc. even angels, but they are simply extraterrestrial beings. This is the sorta stuff our military/intelligence officials do not want coming out-hence the intensely maintained cover-up ever since 1947. I think this will become clearer as the process continues.

Back in the '40s, 50's, half of the Pentagon thought they were demons, the other half off-planeters. I've heard most now believe they are off world beings and or interdimensional.

In fact, there are apparently 2 factions within the Pentagon now each supporting 2 factions of et. One group, the "Free-Will" ets and another, the more controlling, authoritarian group. The latter evidently being the bad guys. Traditionally, we have sided with the controlling group...obtaining some tech etc for..who knows what. We've sorta woken up and are now trying to break away from them and siding with the free will faction. They won't intervene however unless asked.

Fascinating time to be alive.
Yes, indeed. I've only this week heard of the homo naledi find in South Africa, and that is fascinating as well. It's hard to resist the temptation to connect the dots and wonder how the homo naledi branch of our family tree developed with 100s of thousands of years jumpstart on homo sapiens. The stuff of fantasy novels probably, but still fun to think about.
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Aztec1948 said:


The issue sorta takes front seat over football,
Whoah, whoah, whoah. Let's not get too hasty here.
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So, we're a week or two in at this point.

All we have right now is one guy (who hasn't seen anything personally and has zero evidence) come out and say that he has heard about this stuff. And then we have promises that people with first hand accounts will probably/maybe come out and talk too. Couple that with the fact that "News Nation" comes off as the JV team..... and my skepticism is as high as ever.

Maybe one day we will get some kind of proof and I'll start taking it seriously. But so far this just seems like more of the same.
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You're making a vast overgeneralization that leaves out a number of crucial details, which have been covered ad nauseam in this thread, in a ton of articles, and in the interview itself. Also, your two week timeline is completely arbitrary, seeing as the game plan from here has been discussed multiple times in this thread as well. Is there still a chance this is all a bunch of bunk? Sure. But that scenario is becoming less and less likely, and if you take the time to actually consider the details, and understand what differentiates this instance from others, it would be pretty apparent as to why.
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I admit I didn't watch the full interview, yet. Were any details given about his lawsuit, or whatever, that was filed in '21?
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Wrec86 Ag said:

So, we're a week or two in at this point.

All we have right now is one guy (who hasn't seen anything personally and has zero evidence) come out and say that he has heard about this stuff. And then we have promises that people with first hand accounts will probably/maybe come out and talk too. Couple that with the fact that "News Nation" comes off as the JV team..... and my skepticism is as high as ever.

Maybe one day we will get some kind of proof and I'll start taking it seriously. But so far this just seems like more of the same.
Not that it matters a lot, but WaPo was going to cover the story but his name got leaked earlier than they wanted which didn't give them the time they needed to do all their fact checking.
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my guess is that now that the spooks have gotten the names of the whistle blowers, they are in the process of bribing/blackmailing/threatening them to recant/reevaluate their recollections.
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It takes some a little longer. Don't be afraid to jump into it. We really don't need to wait until MSM or even our gov gives us permission. I'm reminded of what these kids saw and that their stories have remained the same since the event in 1994. Yeah, just another dot perhaps. But so are those photos of Pearl Harbor...


"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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At this rate I'm going to be surprised if some form of disclosure *doesn't* happen by the end of this year...







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Ralph Blumenthal is a trustworthy source of information. I'll be posting excerpts periodically from his book about John Mack, The Believer, beginning today.
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As I've discussed here ( https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3382956 ) and as many first-hand witnesses have detailed, a metaphysical reality - something like "powers of the air" - that can also materialize has IMO decent explanatory power ( excellent recurring guest Paul Sinclair has his latest update here - https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-731-tim-burchettpaul-sinclair alongside a U.S. Rep)

Meaning .... inter-dimensional.

This was also the conclusion - though not necessarily in the context of Christianity - of a former firm materialist, Harvard psychiatrist John Mack, who ventured into the spiritual seeking answers.

From his biography:

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Now Mack told the conferees at MIT why he thought the abduction phenomenon was not a psychiatric phenomenon, although that was most people's snap assumption, including, at first, his own. But any explanation, he said, had to account for five elements: (1) consistency of the reports, (2) physical signs like scars and witness-backed reports of actual absence for a time, (3) accounts from children too young for delusional psychiatric syndromes, (4) an association with witnessed UFOs, and (5) the lack of any consistent psychopathology among abductees.

They didn't act like a collective disorder. The experiences were too personal.....

I would add, how many "abductions" have been stopped by calling upon Christ? We certainly do have testimonies of that.....
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TCTTS said:

Greer is a fraud, huckster, and sociopath.
CE5 expedition inquiry


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Yes, he has addressed this and those were real sightings and he did not set off flares.
Its all meant to discredit him.



Got this today in response to an inquiry into this "incident".
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Akin nailed him in much more detail than that lame response.

We should be very weary of Greer, as with anyone with a history of dishonesty and asking for deposits.

While I don't like arguments from authority, in this area Blumenthal, James Fox, the producers of Accidental Truth, like Ron James, - even the distasteful Jeremy Corbell. - provide great value because they gather information, especially from those in positions to "know," and witnesses, and detail patterns consistent across time and environment. Greer is not in their class at all.
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Shortly before he died, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada told the New York Times:
"It is extremely important that information about the discovery of physical materials or retrieved craft come out."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html
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Follow up from team Greer:

Thank you for reaching out to Dr. Greer. We have no office and mostly volunteer staff so, unfortunately, we cannot personally answer all the incoming emails. Please go to www.drstevengreer.com for the most up to date news and sign up for our free newsletter where we announce upcoming news and events.



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"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Aztec1948 said:

Follow up from team Greer:

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TCTTS said:

aggiephoenix02 said:

Alright, consider me a skeptic. What possible evidence could there be to change my mind? Because listening to people talk isn't going to do anything.

After everything the media and governments have lied about, why would this be the thing that's true?

Do you really believe 'the cats out of the bag'? I just can't imagine any "proof" that could change anyone's mind either way…

What you can or can't imagine isn't anyone's problem but your own. No matter what happens, or what's revealed, there will always be those who lack imagination or can't be convinced, until an alien is standing on the White House lawn. And even then there will be a number of people who still won't buy it. Again, for those types, the burden won't be on anyone to convince them of anything. Like the moon landing, even though you've never been to the moon yourself, you either choose to believe it happened, like 99.9% of world... or you don't.

That said, the President coming forward to address the nation, confirming that these things are real, in combination with some kind of officially-released, ultra-convincing video footage of aliens retrieved from one of these crashes, *still* wouldn't convince you? Really?

Personally, at this point, I think it'll be the "proof" that leaks first - in the form of some kind of undeniable video + classified documents + multiple whistleblowers coming forward - thereby forcing the government to finally admit to a coverup. Otherwise, I seriously doubt our government voluntarily gives up that info until it absolutely has to. Instead, it's going to be up to whistleblowers or leakers to finally force their hand.
I will play devil's advocate.

What would be the single greatest de-stabilizer in human history than "proof" of aliens. You uproot billions in their faith (not just Christians, but Jews, Muslims, and hell, even many atheists/agnostics with their place in the universe). I could see so much that would change in policy when you destabilize faith that I would honestly propose if I worked in that scene. I can see so many benefits to any government(s) to basically lie about this when the time is right.
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Christianity wouldn't be destabilized - not the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) anyway.

The weight of official teaching, mystical traditions, and openness to scientific methods in investigating the material world means:
implicitly and explicitly, there is a framework for understanding and accepting that other creations could and do exist.

Angels / Demons, of course, is the first line of thought, but the revelations of something more materialist like humans could be incorporated without much of an issue.
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Redstone said:

Christianity wouldn't be destabilized - not the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) anyway.

The weight of official teaching, mystical traditions, and openness to scientific methods in investigating the material world means:
implicitly and explicitly, there is a framework for understanding and accepting that other creations could and do exist.

Angels / Demons, of course, is the first line of thought, but the revelations of something more materialist like humans could be incorporated without much of an issue.
Got to spread Jesus to the aliens

Regardless, to say aliens wouldn't cause a crisis of faith for some if not many is a fantasy
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