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This is a summary of my opinion. There is much material to add.

Both the material and spiritual world exist.

https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3382956

I think you and I are basically two sides of the same coin (and not in the way we've been accused of for years).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be implying that aliens and the like are essentially the angels/demons of the Bible (if not a bit more nuanced than that), and that there is a material world and spiritual world that they can cross between.

On one hand, in the broadest of strokes, *if* any of this is even real, I would say I agree.

But if I had to bet, I would tweak that theory, by coming at it from the opposite direction, and say that certain aspects of the Bible are potentially an interpretation of aliens and the like, and that the delineation between the "material" world and the "spiritual" world only exits due to our limited understanding of reality; that our "material" world is potentially the most rudimentary reality, but that there are other realities/dimensions/frequencies "above" and "beside" ours, that these beings potentially dwell in and can move between. In other words, calling them "angels" and "demons" or Greek gods or any other religious deities/entities were merely the best ways we knew how to explain them, but it's all ultimately based in science (just science we don't yet understand).

For me, it's kind of like Noah and the flood, in that basically *every* religion has a story about a great flood, each one with different catalysts, different details, and different lessons to be learned. But instead of the Christian version being the only objective "right" version, and all the others being the "wrong" version, it could be that there *was* a massive flood thousands of years ago, potentially caused by, say, a multi-continent meteor shower (watch Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix for more on this theory), and that *all* the various religions that endured/emerged in the wake of that flood, simply interpreted it differently, adding their own, respective catalysts/details/lessons, in line with their respective religious beliefs.

To me, if - and this is a big IF - aliens were around back then, observing from the shadows, perhaps influencing things here and there - IMO, a number of religions/religious beliefs and practices potentially stem from them, in much the same way.

Or... there is a God and no aliens... there is a God *and* aliens... there is no God but there *are* aliens... or there is no God and no aliens.

Who knows?! That's part of what makes this subject so interesting to think about.

To be honest, though, I'd rather not get into religious discussions in this thread, as to avoid religious arguments - I'd much rather stick to the "nuts and bolts" - but I appreciate where you're coming from.
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God IS an alien
TCTTS
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Ha, I accidentally left that one out (but added it in there).
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Precise definitions are both difficult and very useful. I'd be happy to keep religion off this thread, as it CAN be off-topic, and yet … it really strikes me as inevitable.
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If we (the collective "we") can keep it civil, I'm all for it. I just know how religious talk often leads to literal preaching, then name-calling on both sides, then people get offended, etc.
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A productive avenue is clear definitions.

ALL Christians that value the Bible are obligated to believe in non-terrestrial spiritual beings that can be - at the exact same time - material.

Is this "aliens"
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- Logos Incarnate
- Angels (entertain unaware)
- demonic manifestations

Related, the fact that we would exist as embodied spirits - meaning, spirits - is the root of my speculation on Religion.
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TCTTS said:

If we (the collective "we") can keep it civil, I'm all for it. I just know how religious talk often leads to literal preaching, then name-calling on both sides, then people get offended, etc.


No discussion on this board is civil
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TCTTS said:

If we (the collective "we") can keep it civil, I'm all for it. I just know how religious talk often leads to literal preaching, then name-calling on both sides, then people get offended, etc.
UAP lurker here who has enjoyed following along and watching the videos/reading the articles posted.

IMO, unless someone comes in here and says "none of this is possible and i won't change my mind", then they believe anything is possible and that would have to include things of a religious/spiritual nature.

I lean more towards Redstone's side than not (...shudder...) and have read/listened to a lot of the late Michael Heiser's work that he referenced. The Bible warns that fake christs and prophets will do miracles and wonders so great that, if it were possible, even believers would be deceived. So when stuff like this happens, I pay attention with a skeptical eye. Not skeptical that it is actually happening, but skeptical as to who is working behind the scenes.

Until I see what we all want to see (proof), then I'm just along for the ride.

I'm also studying up on the ways that aliens have been defeated in film/TV.

So far, I've got: water (signs), diuretics (the faculty), computer virus (ID4), regular virus (wotw), yodeling (mars attacks), alien metal and nukes (invasion...sort of), freezing (the blob)...

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Christians should read various translations of Psalm 82, Daniel 10, and then really think about "powers of the air."

In this context, "aliens" indisputably exist, and "angel / demon" are awkward umbrella terms, some measure of job description……accurate but also incomplete. The question is the nature of creations we cannot yet comprehend.
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I occasionally think about incredibly compelling witnesses, such as Travis Walton. And the thousands that witnessed the Phoenix lights, and on and on….

Such a religious framework has explanatory power.
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lunchbox said:

TCTTS said:

If we (the collective "we") can keep it civil, I'm all for it. I just know how religious talk often leads to literal preaching, then name-calling on both sides, then people get offended, etc.
UAP lurker here who has enjoyed following along and watching the videos/reading the articles posted.

IMO, unless someone comes in here and says "none of this is possible and i won't change my mind", then they believe anything is possible and that would have to include things of a religious/spiritual nature.

I lean more towards Redstone's side than not (...shudder...) and have read/listened to a lot of the late Michael Heiser's work that he referenced. The Bible warns that fake christs and prophets will do miracles and wonders so great that, if it were possible, even believers would be deceived. So when stuff like this happens, I pay attention with a skeptical eye. Not skeptical that it is actually happening, but skeptical as to who is working behind the scenes.

Until I see what we all want to see (proof), then I'm just along for the ride.

I'm also studying up on the ways that aliens have been defeated in film/TV.

So far, I've got: water (signs), diuretics (the faculty), computer virus (ID4), regular virus (wotw), yodeling (mars attacks), alien metal and nukes (invasion...sort of), freezing (the blob)...

The potential danger in grafting one's religion onto this phenomenon is when and if ultra-religious, overzealous politicians/military personnel preemptively decide that these things are "evil" or "demons" or whatever, and accidentally trigger a war that otherwise wouldn't have started if those types of people weren't so paranoid and caused us to strike first in some irreversible way.

You seem to have an open mind, but the fake christs/prophets deception thing does make me somewhat nervous in general, because that's the *first* place the minds of so many religious zealots will go, to the point where they'll not only believe that these are the end times, but will actively want to trigger the end times.

Granted, ultimately, if real, I think this phenomenon is smarter than that, has its own agenda on its own timeline, and won't take that kind of bait, but who knows. All I know is that I'm not a fan of people deciding that they're beliefs are the "right" beliefs, to the point where it not only distorts reality, but ruins it for the rest of us.
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The potential danger in grafting one's religion onto this phenomenon is when and if ultra-religious, overzealous politicians/military personnel preemptively decide that these things are "evil" or "demons" or whatever, and accidentally trigger a war that otherwise wouldn't have started if those types of people weren't so paranoid and caused us to strike first in some irreversible way
Seems like a stretch of a thing to worry about. Good luck convincing anyone that whatever this is, if it's something, is evil...given the amount of time they have allegedly been around. Also, so few people get behind the extreme religious sections, these days.

Maybe in somewhere like Russia, where the State runs the religion, or in the Middle East. Unlikey, imo, the US is susceptible to that sort of thing.
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The potential danger in grafting one's religion onto this phenomenon is when and if ultra-religious, overzealous politicians/military personnel preemptively decide that these things are "evil" or "demons" or whatever, and accidentally trigger a war that otherwise wouldn't have started if those types of people weren't so paranoid and caused us to strike first in some irreversible way.

You seem to have an open mind, but the fake christs/prophets deception thing does make me somewhat nervous in general, because that's the *first* place the minds of so many religious zealots will go, to the point where they'll not only believe that these are the end times, but will actively want to trigger the end times.
I'm in agreement with you about the ultra-religious just automatically defaulting to a position and it's not just about aliens. I try to view life, relationships and events through a certain lens and often times, I don't reach a conclusion without much thought and prayer. You'll have to forgive me if I take a pause when the aliens arrive and don't just rush out to meet them.
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You'll have to forgive me if I take a pause when the aliens arrive and don't just rush out to meet them
Don't want to end up like this?

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redline248 said:

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The potential danger in grafting one's religion onto this phenomenon is when and if ultra-religious, overzealous politicians/military personnel preemptively decide that these things are "evil" or "demons" or whatever, and accidentally trigger a war that otherwise wouldn't have started if those types of people weren't so paranoid and caused us to strike first in some irreversible way
Seems like a stretch of a thing to worry about. Good luck convincing anyone that whatever this is, if it's something, is evil...given the amount of time they have allegedly been around. Also, so few people get behind the extreme religious sections, these days.

Maybe in somewhere like Russia, where the State runs the religion, or in the Middle East. Unlikey, imo, the US is susceptible to that sort of thing.

It's not at all something I legit worry or think about. I'm just saying, if this phenomenon ends up being proven real, then I *might* get the slightest bit nervous that the uber-religious folk will start causing a ruckus. But yeah, the fact that "they" haven't harmed us after all these years - if "they" are even real - means they're probably not the types to wipe us off the face of the earth or anything.
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lunchbox said:

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The potential danger in grafting one's religion onto this phenomenon is when and if ultra-religious, overzealous politicians/military personnel preemptively decide that these things are "evil" or "demons" or whatever, and accidentally trigger a war that otherwise wouldn't have started if those types of people weren't so paranoid and caused us to strike first in some irreversible way.

You seem to have an open mind, but the fake christs/prophets deception thing does make me somewhat nervous in general, because that's the *first* place the minds of so many religious zealots will go, to the point where they'll not only believe that these are the end times, but will actively want to trigger the end times.
I'm in agreement with you about the ultra-religious just automatically defaulting to a position and it's not just about aliens. I try to view life, relationships and events through a certain lens and often times, I don't reach a conclusion without much thought and prayer. You'll have to forgive me if I take a pause when the aliens arrive and don't just rush out to meet them.

Totally. Just like we need to have healthy skepticism now, in the lead up to any kind of potential disclosure, we'd need to exercise a healthy amount of caution after disclosure, before we truly know who we're dealing with.
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Sea Speed said:

God IS an alien
The data collected by Farsight Institute out of Atlanta, suggests that all religions had extraterrestrial involvement in their creations. Part of a system to control/mold humanity.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Heaven is located near a black hole were time slows down. Time passes much slower there. Hours in heaven would be years or decades or centuries or eons on Earth.

God created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Maybe because 6 days in heaven might equal eons in Earth time.

Our lives on earth May last 70 years, but could possibly only be a second in Heaven.

Our souls travel through portals to get to earth and then back to heaven.
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Not poking fun at anyone, just reminded of the only good scene from Star Trek V.

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Ever wonder what's really going on?



"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Greer is a fraud, huckster, and sociopath.
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Greer has been exposed as a fraud.

https://sqpn.com/2022/02/steven-greer-summoning-aliens-cseti-ce5/

http://jimmyakin.com/2022/02/steven-greer-summoning-aliens-cseti-ce5-jimmy-akins-mysterious-world.html
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This is the spyderman we've been waiting for to return

I love it!
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Redstone said:

Greer has been exposed as a fraud.

https://sqpn.com/2022/02/steven-greer-summoning-aliens-cseti-ce5/

http://jimmyakin.com/2022/02/steven-greer-summoning-aliens-cseti-ce5-jimmy-akins-mysterious-world.html
Wow...you gotta wonder who foot the bill for the aviation company to drop those flares?

Thanks for the 2 links.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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TCTTS said:




WTF?!?! Not sure what's more shocking….this or aliens.
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It took aliens to bring us all together.

Just like in ID4.
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TCTTS said:


I suspect the context is eyewitness accounts of the recovered craft referred to by Grunsch, but I find the tweet itself amusing. Eyewitnesses to UFO craft have been coming forward for many decades, to little effect. Looking forward to watching, though.
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He's talking about eyewitnesses who saw - and worked on - the craft. Individuals who were a part of or were read into "the program." And sure, over the years, a Bob Lazar or two has come froward in that regard, but never in this fashion, never with corroboration, and never with the documentation/proof to back it up. It sounds like that could all change soon, though. We shall see...
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As TCTTS mentioned, he differentiates between the normy ufo witnesses and these guys. You can tell he is very wary of getting labeled a ufo guy. This is kind of like the Lazar revelations if Lazar could actually prove he worked for the government.
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Thoughts on the current controlled EXTRATERRESTRIAL reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up? Will it be simply a partial disclosure? Once the uneasy, contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization and the misled sheep adapt to this publicly known reality? Are the good Shepherds withholding the truth in our best interest? Perhaps multiple species are involved? How will the 80+ years of dishonesty be addressed? Is it required that we be honest when it comes to our tax returns? Has the cost of maintaining the lie exceeded the price of simply telling the truth? Is it time this great country starts walking the walk and become the leader we proclaim ourselves to be? What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Transportation? Religions? History? The economy? Race relations? The environment? Politics? Perhaps it leads to confirmation of hidden energy alternatives and an established "secret" space program? But does the flock really want to know the complete story?





"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Psyop or not, there is no denying at this point that "disclosure" has been a coordinated, years-in-the-making effort. The fact that it all began with Tom DeLonge makes it all the more hilarious, but if true, man, will this make for one hell of a based-on-a-true-story limited series, either documentary, scripted, or both, never mind changing the world as we know it...

(As outlined below, DeLonge really did meet with military officials, and it was DeLonge who then recruited Elizondo and Mellon to his cause, who then, in coordination, after leaving their jobs in the Pentagon/government, leaked the infamous videos/documents to the New York Times in 2017.)





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