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Redstone said:

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Christianity wouldn't be destabilized - not the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) anyway.

The weight of official teaching, mystical traditions, and openness to scientific methods in investigating the material world means:
implicitly and explicitly, there is a framework for understanding and accepting that other creations could and do exist.

Angels / Demons, of course, is the first line of thought, but the revelations of something more materialist like humans could be incorporated without much of an issue.

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Got to spread Jesus to the aliens

Regardless, to say aliens wouldn't cause a crisis of faith for some if not many is a fantasy

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It's the truth about et and their relationship with religions that might spark a crisis of sorts. We are able to sorta put the pieces together as far as the justification for the extremely maintained cover-up. They knew it back in the '40's, they know it today. Probably the main reason I started a thread on the Politics/World Issues forum years ago.

It's getting beyond entertaining....


Senate Intelligence bill gives holders of "non-earth origin or exotic UAP material" six months to make it available to AARO (douglasjohnson.ghost.io)

Major development: @marcorubio ViceChairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirms multiple other whistleblowers other than David Grusch have come forward with firsthand knowledge of #UAP crash retrievals, many with high level clearances. He pledges investigation https://t.co/2DGKO35cfn

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) June 27, 2023

🔥BOMBSHELL FROM @NewsNation

Senator Marco Rubio has received first-hand accounts from high-level government officials who have seen first-hand crashed UFOs in government possession. David Grusch is not the only whistleblower.#ufotwitter #uaptwitter #ufos #uaps #AARO pic.twitter.com/M0IvSKnXfu

— StandForBetter.org (@StandForBetter) June 27, 2023

I wanted to point out that this is the vice-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee who is saying these things. This is just amazing and something we would never think could happen just a few years ago. Disclosure is happening before our eyes. Enjoy the feeling #ufotwitter https://t.co/rnyJq7p0K0

— Condorman (@Condorman6) June 27, 2023

Bob Lazar was shooting straight with us.


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Spyderman, what got you interested in UAPs and extraterrestrials?

NEW: Gillibrand scheduling hearings with UAP (UFO) 🛸whistleblower David Grusch https://t.co/c9enzsNdtI

— Matt Laslo (@MattLaslo) June 27, 2023

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is working on scheduling hearings with UAP whistleblower David Grusch, along with the current or former government officials who seem to corroborate some of his claims.

Gillibrand says they’ll be open to the public, if Grusch agrees to allow… pic.twitter.com/R5Hg6zCm1r

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) June 27, 2023

Hell yea, rock on brother

Thanks for sharing!

Ross Coulthart says about 6 witnesses testified to the Intelligence Community Inspector General on David Grusch’s behalf and verified the existence of a UFO crash retrieval & reverse engineering program.

The Good Trouble Show:https://t.co/vcQhAb9cdy#ufotwitter #ufo #uap pic.twitter.com/eQCkC33W7f

— UAP James (@UAPJames) June 30, 2023

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Ross Coulthart is aware of a private aerospace company that is currently attempting to divest itself of a UFO craft in its possession.

The Good Trouble Show:https://t.co/vcQhAb9cdy#ufotwitter #ufo #uap pic.twitter.com/1h6OqgYAAE

— UAP James (@UAPJames) June 30, 2023

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They ought to give it to the Outdoors board. We'd know everything about it in a matter of days.

I again recommend Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World podcast. The archives have excellent discussions of the UAP phenomenon, from the "faith and reason" perspective, with detailed research and high-quality analysis. He is a Catholic apologist that interviews a wide variety of people.

(An interesting aside - UAP now means "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" and not "aerial," given the many accounts we have concerning water)

https://sqpn.com/2023/06/ufo-whistleblower-revelations/

Related - a good paper concerning UAPs and faith:
https://philpapers.org/archive/MCIHDW.pdf

Made the voyage out to Roswell for their annual "UFO Festival"...pretty wild event. Lots of smiles..kiddoes. Interesting museum I'm at right now.

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I've seen that museum a couple of times. Entertaining.

I've said this before on here, but will repeat. I had occasion to have a long serious conversation with one of the Roswell city leaders a few years ago. After concluding our business, I asked him for his take on the UFO story.

He told me, "I have no personal knowledge, but I know/knew several of those eye witnesses. They are credible people who believe what they said."

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It was those interviews of the residents of Roswell that convinced me that something clearly took place other than a weather balloon at Roswell in July of 1947.

Those who know Rep. Gallagher know that he is intensely ambitious, regarded as a 2028 Contender & has put himself at the center of policy-making on US-China strategic competition as the Chair of the Select Committee on China.

The fact that he chooses to lead on UAPs is a *clue*. https://t.co/3WNMyv3ZeH

— Matthew Pines (@matthew_pines) July 1, 2023

For anyone interested, here is a set of interviews of residents of Roswell. I also dug this quote up...interesting...





AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida.

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I've seen that museum a couple of times. Entertaining.

I've said this before on here, but will repeat. I had occasion to have a long serious conversation with one of the Roswell city leaders a few years ago. After concluding our business, I asked him for his take on the UFO story.

He told me, "I have no personal knowledge, but I know/knew several of those eye witnesses. They are credible people who believe what they said."

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I may have told this story here before. If so SIAP. I was born in Roswell (1966). My grandfather was the assistant fire Marshall for either Roswell FD or at the airbase (I don't remember which right off hand). during the Roswell incident.
Grandad passed away in 1987 and to all the family's knowledge he never spoke about what he saw. One time, a reporter came to her house sometime after he had passed and asked my grandmother if she knew anything about the incident. She told him that nothing happened out there. If it had he would have told her about it because they didn't keep any secrets. My grandfather was a Mason as well so he knew how to keep secrets. I'll never know what he saw, but whatever it was he never told anyone.

Jeremy Corbell on a proposed US law-change that might bring amazing revelations about "back engineering"
Doug Poppa who visited the Las Vegas family who say they encountered an "alien"
And - recorded just after the David Grusch revelations - Stephen Bassett from the Paradigm Research Group...

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-735-uap-update

A faithful Travis Walton adaptation would be likewise amazing.

Not sure if any of you watch the Theories of Everything channel/ Poscast but it is a good listen. Kurt is a bit dry as math folks tend to be but he has amazing guests and tends to let them speak for themselves.
This episode I am just getting started on but the first 20 minutes have been good. Seems more may be forth coming from Ross Coulthart.

I found Andy McGrillen's "That UFO Podcast" recently. His interviews tend to be fairly well balanced, interesting, and fun. (Be forewarned: his Scottish accent is thicker than haggis.) Here's a recent Q&A he did with Ross Coulthart just prior to Grusch coming forward. Link goes through Overcast. https://overcast.fm/+7AEYxqkPE

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A faithful Travis Walton adaptation would be likewise amazing.

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How far off is the movie from his book?

Only the broadest outlines are in the film.

The incident as he tells it is more compelling.

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-330-travis-walton?%2Fepisodes%2Fedition-330-travis-walton=

Large group in the Pentagon think UFOs and Aliens represent something demonic.

For those that were not around when Lue Elizondo did interviews frequently, Ron James explains one of the biggest oppositions that Lue Elizondo faced when he was doing his job at AATIP/AAWSAP.

I… pic.twitter.com/sutRwpDMZv

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) July 3, 2023

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Agristotle said:

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I've seen that museum a couple of times. Entertaining.

I've said this before on here, but will repeat. I had occasion to have a long serious conversation with one of the Roswell city leaders a few years ago. After concluding our business, I asked him for his take on the UFO story.

He told me, "I have no personal knowledge, but I know/knew several of those eye witnesses. They are credible people who believe what they said."

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I may have told this story here before. If so SIAP. I was born in Roswell (1966). My grandfather was the assistant fire Marshall for either Roswell FD or at the airbase (I don't remember which right off hand). during the Roswell incident.
Grandad passed away in 1987 and to all the family's knowledge he never spoke about what he saw. One time, a reporter came to her house sometime after he had passed and asked my grandmother if she knew anything about the incident. She told him that nothing happened out there. If it had he would have told her about it because they didn't keep any secrets. My grandfather was a Mason as well so he knew how to keep secrets. I'll never know what he saw, but whatever it was he never told anyone.

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I've wondered often if the big secret (at the highest levels) to some of these societies is et related. I would not be surprised at all.

If et exist, what does that mean about life on earth? What does it mean about heaven and hell?

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If et exist, what does that mean about life on earth? What does it mean about heaven and hell?

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Redstone posted a link to a paper which examines these questions from a logic-based perspective. It's quite good as well as thought provoking. Here's the link:

https://philpapers.org/archive/MCIHDW.pdf

Of particular interest in this forum, several works of speculative fiction are mentioned, notably Shyamalan's "Signs" and Card's "Ender's Game", as arguments against the sort of narrative conflict with Christianity that seems to be the most popular faith-based objection to the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

Surprisingly, at least to me, the paper doesn't mention James Blish's Hugo award winning classic "A Case of Conscience", which also examines the threat to religious belief posed by extraterrestrial life. I would highly recommend it.

A couple of related points: in the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) tradition, non-terrestrial beings are inherent to the belief system. Meaning: God Incarnate, entertaining angels unaware, and fallen entity interactions - at a minimum - are woven into texts, tradition, and mystical visions.

Vatican officials (Curia a cesspit, sad as it is for me to admit), including accomplished scientists, have speculated about other, more materialist creations (maybe like humans, embodied spirits) …. the non-terrestrial. This is considered compatible with the faith, and Benedict XVI thought so.

Where's the Porkchop guy? He's usually active in these threads