Your shtick is so tiring, you are not a victim. Show me how I'm mocking you or just stop already…TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:
So at this point there is no proof, just government and former government employees talking, and documents. No proof, just grainy video footage of spots from sensor equipment.
Can you blame anyone for being skeptical? Is there any room on this thread for skepticism and questioning, or is this supposed to be an echo chamber for your "imagination"? Heaven forbid I make a joke or else I'll be called a troll…
Give me a break. What you're doing isn't being "skeptical." You're outright mocking those who believe this even *might* be real. You're not engaging in healthy, good-faith discussion in any way. Instead, again, you're using this thread as a means to soapbox and deride, without truly listening to or processing anything counter to your own, bias opinion, no different than than the last time we had this go-around.
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redline248 said:How is this different that Lue coming forward with his claims, other than having 1 or 2 people say he has a great reputation? (I do not know all the details about Lue's stuff, just some cursory things).TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.TCTTS said:
I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...💥💥 the FULL 1 hour interview with UFO whistleblower #DavidGrusch and @rosscoulthart💥💥
— Brandon (@HighlyRetired) June 12, 2023
Second try, first one got deleted for some reason 🤷♂️ #UFOTwitter pic.twitter.com/S69B18CCsC
My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha
Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
While Lue has divulged quite a bit, he never took his claims this far. He's skirted up to the edge of a number of Grusch's claims, with hints and innuendo, but he never flat-out admitted to much of what Grusch is saying. As far as we know, Lue also hasn't provided the necessary oversight bodies with the proof Grusch speaks of, and testimony he gave that has been confirmed. Basically, it's kind of like Lue walked so Grusch could run.
I'm a skeptic and want proof. This is not proof no matter how much you wish it to be, and the fact that I find humor in that seems to annoy you, so I will stop posting on this thread as I am not a troll…
aggiephoenix02 said:Your shtick is so tiring, you are not a victim. Show me how I'm mocking you or just stop already…TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:
So at this point there is no proof, just government and former government employees talking, and documents. No proof, just grainy video footage of spots from sensor equipment.
Can you blame anyone for being skeptical? Is there any room on this thread for skepticism and questioning, or is this supposed to be an echo chamber for your "imagination"? Heaven forbid I make a joke or else I'll be called a troll…
Give me a break. What you're doing isn't being "skeptical." You're outright mocking those who believe this even *might* be real. You're not engaging in healthy, good-faith discussion in any way. Instead, again, you're using this thread as a means to soapbox and deride, without truly listening to or processing anything counter to your own, bias opinion, no different than than the last time we had this go-around.
I never said you were mocking me, specifically. But so far you've A) called the notion "ludicrous" that aliens are visiting our planet, implying that those who believes as much are foolish, B) alluded to anyone entertaining the idea as "raving buffoons," all while C) posting with an overall demeaning, argumentative, and slightly unhinged tone. In no way am I playing the "victim" here, I'm simply commenting on your weird, incessant need to pounce into this thread and start stirring sh*t up for no good reason, instead of presenting your thoughts in a civil, non-combative way, where we can all have a normal conversation like adults.
aggiephoenix02 said:
I'm a skeptic and want proof. This is not proof no matter how much you wish it to be, and the fact that I find humor in that seems to annoy you, so I will stop posting on this thread as I am not a troll…
For the 400th time, literally no one is claiming any of this is undeniable proof. In fact, I've spent MULTIPLE posts tonight going out of my way to acknowledge as much, explaining how tonight's events might eventually lead to proof, one day. For now, it's all just really compelling and convincing, and it's perfectly fine to be discussing as much, without the necessary documents, photographs, and video sitting here in front of us, and especially without your over-the-top interjections.
Ross says more whistleblowers will be coming out publicly that have seen craft and seen bodies#UFO #ufotwitter #Grusch #DavidGrusch #uap #UAPs #uaptwitter
— Tim speer (@Timspeer8) June 12, 2023
Link here https://t.co/PXw8R1gxH3 pic.twitter.com/FS8UNX5oWL
The officially released segments so far, from the post-interview/follow-up episode…
If there is one thing about which everyone agrees regarding Grunsch's interview and whistleblower complaint, it is that it clearly doesn't constitute proof. Speaking as a skeptic myself, your posts haven't added anything useful to the conversation. Fear not, we're all well aware this isn't proof.aggiephoenix02 said:
So at this point there is no proof, just government and former government employees talking, and documents. No proof, just grainy video footage of spots from sensor equipment.
Can you blame anyone for being skeptical? Is there any room on this thread for skepticism and questioning, or is this supposed to be an echo chamber for your "imagination"? Heaven forbid I make a joke or else I'll be called a troll…
First-hand testimony by credible witnesses is evidence. It's excellent evidence. We have decades of it. At the same time, on such a mind-bending subject, it's understandable to want a televised alien landing. At this rate, stay tuned.
Cliffs notes from the 60 min segment?
And where is mckelvey's curse / spyderman?
The cliifs notes was the original 11-12 min segment from early last week.Ghost of Bisbee said:
Cliffs notes from the 60 min segment?
TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.TCTTS said:
I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...💥💥 the FULL 1 hour interview with UFO whistleblower #DavidGrusch and @rosscoulthart💥💥
— Brandon (@HighlyRetired) June 12, 2023
Second try, first one got deleted for some reason 🤷♂️ #UFOTwitter pic.twitter.com/S69B18CCsC
My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha
Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
Jesse Marcel says "Hi". He's the OG whistleblower and it would be cool to see him vindicated.
Other former government officials have come forward as well over the years. Keep in mind Grusch is not acting in any official govt capacity right now. He's a former govt official. The big difference however is Grusch has presented classified evidence in his whistleblower case to govt officials with clearance so it will be very interesting to see if it leads anywhere.
I too have been following this for 30 years. Remember when the Air Force made that big announcement that they lied about Roswell? It was alluded to on the interview last night. Air Force admitted it was not a weather balloon, but a ballon experiment involving crash test dummies or something. It's all been noise since then until 2020.
The big step change for me is that in 2020 for the first time ever the Pentagon confirmed the existence of UAPs. Combine that with Grusch's whistleblower complaint maybe we'll get somewhere if it's all true.
However, I'm a bit jaded by all this (as are many long time followers) and want to see the proof being alluded to before I believe it.
Redstone said:
First-hand testimony by credible witnesses is evidence. It's excellent evidence. We have decades of it. At the same time, on such a mind-bending subject, it's understandable to want a televised alien landing. At this rate, stay tuned.
Everything that Grusch claims is second hand. He has seen no vehicles personally. Only pictures or reports or speaking with other govt officials who were read into the alleged secret programs. We need those folks to come forward.
TCTTS said:redline248 said:How is this different that Lue coming forward with his claims, other than having 1 or 2 people say he has a great reputation? (I do not know all the details about Lue's stuff, just some cursory things).TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.TCTTS said:
I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...💥💥 the FULL 1 hour interview with UFO whistleblower #DavidGrusch and @rosscoulthart💥💥
— Brandon (@HighlyRetired) June 12, 2023
Second try, first one got deleted for some reason 🤷♂️ #UFOTwitter pic.twitter.com/S69B18CCsC
My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha
Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
While Lue has divulged quite a bit, he never took his claims this far. He's skirted up to the edge of a number of Grusch's claims, with hints and innuendo, but he never flat-out admitted to much of what Grusch is saying. As far as we know, Lue also hasn't provided the necessary oversight bodies with the proof Grusch speaks of, and testimony he gave that has been confirmed. Basically, it's kind of like Lue walked so Grusch could run.
This is a good description. I appreciate what Lue has done but if he's not willing to go further then clear the dance floor for those who will. (And it sounds like he has)
Rocagnante said:TCTTS said:aggiephoenix02 said:I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.TCTTS said:
I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...💥💥 the FULL 1 hour interview with UFO whistleblower #DavidGrusch and @rosscoulthart💥💥
— Brandon (@HighlyRetired) June 12, 2023
Second try, first one got deleted for some reason 🤷♂️ #UFOTwitter pic.twitter.com/S69B18CCsC
My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha
Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
Jesse Marcel says "Hi". He's the OG whistleblower and it would be cool to see him vindicated.
Other former government officials have come forward as well over the years. Keep in mind Grusch is not acting in any official govt capacity right now. He's a former govt official. The big difference however is Grusch has presented classified evidence in his whistleblower case to govt officials with clearance so it will be very interesting to see if it leads anywhere.
I too have been following this for 30 years. Remember when the Air Force made that big announcement that they lied about Roswell? It was alluded to on the interview last night. Air Force admitted it was not a weather balloon, but a ballon experiment involving crash test dummies or something. It's all been noise since then until 2020.
The big step change for me is that in 2020 for the first time ever the Pentagon confirmed the existence of UAPs. Combine that with Grusch's whistleblower complaint maybe we'll get somewhere if it's all true.
However, I'm a bit jaded by all this (as are many long time followers) and want to see the proof being alluded to before I believe it.
I'm literally smack dab in the middle of writing a movie about Marcel. I realize that him and others have come forward, but again, not nearly in the way that Grusch has. Part of the connection I'm making in the movie is showing Marcel as the first - the OG whistleblower, like you said - who will then be vindicated 45-ish years earlier, by a whistleblower like Grusch (rather, it'll be a single whistleblower character who represents a composite of real-life whistleblowers). The present day whistleblower stuff will bookend the movie (the movie will open with a present-day teaser scene, with the whistleblower in front of a congressional hearing), we'll then cut back to '47 for acts one and two, with Marcel caught up in the crash and all that, then act three will be set 30 years later in '78, with Stanton Friedman trying to convince Marcel to finally come forward. Then, once Marcel does, we're going to cut back and forth between him coming forward in '78, and the whistleblower telling everything he's seen and knows in present day - including having worked on the Roswell craft - thereby vindicating Marcel. There's going to be a lot more to it, like diving in a bit to all the bullsh*t the Air Force spouted, and a bunch of Marcel family drama, but that's the basic gist.
Grusch being a victim of intimidation and surveillance isn't surprising, but is still pretty nuts. If what Grusch is saying turns out to be true, almost just as interesting as the aliens of it all is going to be the coverup itself, and the lengths these people went to keep the secret; the intimation, the threats, and even as Grusch hinted last night, the murder. It's going to be the biggest conspiracy in history, people are going to go to jail, and it could really, really ugly before they do…
"Interviews coming with insiders who have first-person experience with crash retrieval programs."
— Joe Murgia (@TheUfoJoe) June 12, 2023
THIS is what we Need to Know next. 👊🏼🙌🏼🙏
OK, since Ross said it, I'll confirm that I heard the same thing when I met Dave last August, He told me that once he started digging into… https://t.co/2GmAVHLvXc
The claim "the Vatican knows!" instantly makes me doubt everything else said.
But my bigger amusement is how the folks who "speak up" are raised to hero status and everything surrounding them are evil, hiding in the shadows, conspirators.
But my bigger amusement is how the folks who "speak up" are raised to hero status and everything surrounding them are evil, hiding in the shadows, conspirators.
Also, "insiders with first hand experience with crash retrieval programs" could be anything from a UAP analyst like Grusch to an employee who proposed creating a unit to look for crashes. It doesn't necessarily mean "went in the field and recovered a crash."
They're specifically talking about whistleblowers coming forward who have actually seen and worked on the craft.
Can't wait to see/hear from those peopleTCTTS said:
They're specifically talking about whistleblowers coming forward who have actually seen and worked on the craft.
Same. They're apparently the next step, and then after them, to me, it's put up or shut up time. Legit evidence will either have to be leaked or brought forward in some way. After, say, two three of them come forward, as incredible as that will be, words will then no longer be enough. We're going to HAVE to see something.
He put his career on the line. That means quite a lot.
This is either a limited hangout, a hoax (highly unlikely with so much first-hand testimony), or by some large measure legitimate.
This is either a limited hangout, a hoax (highly unlikely with so much first-hand testimony), or by some large measure legitimate.
Not going to happen. They play the "national security" card, schmooze the powerful and intimidate the little people.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen this play before.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen this play before.
Guys, it never was a troll. Just wanted to bring some awareness to the subject when I posted the original Richard Dolan video years ago. Really pleased that the truth embargo seems like it may finally be lifted.Ghost of Bisbee said:
Where the hell is spydey
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Rep Burchette of the House Oversight Committee came on tonight to announce he is in the process of organizing a hearing on UFO whistleblower #davidgrusch complaint…and that he finds him “very believable” 👇 @NewsNationComms pic.twitter.com/HaeKCcz3fG
— Elizabeth Vargas (@EVargasTV) June 13, 2023
There will be others....it's just getting started.TCTTS said:Rep Burchette of the House Oversight Committee came on tonight to announce he is in the process of organizing a hearing on UFO whistleblower #davidgrusch complaint…and that he finds him “very believable” 👇 @NewsNationComms pic.twitter.com/HaeKCcz3fG
— Elizabeth Vargas (@EVargasTV) June 13, 2023
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Aztec1948 said:Guys, it never was a troll. Just wanted to bring some awareness to the subject when I posted the original Richard Dolan video years ago. Really pleased that the truth embargo seems like it may finally be lifted.Ghost of Bisbee said:
Where the hell is spydey
He's back! Have a hard time keeping up with your socks
They're not socks, they're each a different Spyder-Man multiverse variant. All promotion, of course, for Across the Spyder-Verse, and now that the movie's out he has time for us again.
What if all these whistle blowers are just different incarnations of spyderman?TCTTS said:
They're not socks, they're each a different Spyder-Man multiverse variant. All promotion, of course, for Across the Spyder-Verse, and now that the movie's out he has time for us again.
Who here knows what a Corvair Spyder is?
Interesting vid here...I suppose it portrays an et or it doesn't.
Interesting vid here...I suppose it portrays an et or it doesn't.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
They are so blurry. That's extra scary to me. There's large, out-of-focus aliens roaming the countryside.
(RIP Mitch Hedberg)
(RIP Mitch Hedberg)
This has basically been proven to be a hoax (surprise, surprise). Besides no real video of the aliens themselves, the kid took a picture of a circular indentation where the aliens supposed "landed" in the gravel, but then Google Maps showed that it was really just ever-present forklift tracks. Basically, there was a real meteor in the sky, which *was* caught on camera, and this kid then likely decided to try and turn it into something sensational, as a prank.
This is a summary of my opinion. There is much material to add.
Both the material and spiritual world exist.
https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3382956
Both the material and spiritual world exist.
https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3382956