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Rocagnante said:

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Sh*t's getting weird…


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html


This is just some rehashed story that was first told in the 90's.


Someone must have just read the book 'House of Leaves'
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I'm not familiar with that book.
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Don't worry about it, it was aimed at the people pushing the story in that tweet. The house in the book is bigger on the inside than the outside, among other things.
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It's just a detail I remember from books I read about Roswell/UFOs a while back. Military folks and test pilots stating that the technology powering anti-gravity drives distorted humans perception of time and drove them crazy.

May have been from this book.

https://www.amazon.com/Above-Top-Secret-Worldwide-U-F/dp/0688092020
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Is it possible that someone who thought space and time was being distorted around them was crazy to start?

Nah
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redline248 said:

Do not engage that guy, he is the biggest troll on these threads. Worse than Redstone
I'm not a troll. I believe that life should exist elsewhere in the universe, maybe in abundance, I just don't believe it's possible to travel great distances in space. If alien life were to spread it would take millions of years as star systems passed close enough to make the voyages possible.

Aliens are never going to visit our planet. The closest thing to that happening would be probes with genetic robots that we assume are actual aliens.

I'm not a troll. I'm also not a raving buffoon who believes the government, or current or former government officials.

"It's ALIENS!" Haha, yeah, I'm the troll…
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Rocagnante said:

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Plugged into Luis Elizondo...

Why does everything keep coming back to this guy?


I'm there with you on Luis. He comes across as someone trying to sell tv shows. Has he been going on any paid speaking circuits?

If Luis' primary motivation is disclosure and the public has a right to know, then he needs to quit hiding behind his secrecy agreement and tell everything he knows, or go away.

I could not disagree with this more. IMO, Lue does not at all come across as someone "trying to sell TV shows."

Yes, after he left the Pentagon (in frustration, because he was being met with deaf ears and felt he couldn't affect change), he and a number of other reputable officials/scientist joined To the the Stars, because they felt that teaming together and getting their message out via their Unidentified series would be the most effective course of action. And the two seasons of that series are not only some of the best, most earnest and serious examination of the subject to date, they *actually* affected change within the government, via the series, by establishing an official protocol by which military pilots can now report UAP sightings. (Never mind the massive awareness they raised in general through both the series and the 2017 NYT article, essentially changing the UAP field forever.)

But then, the second that both Lue and Christopher Mellon felt that To the Stars was becoming too entertainment focused, they left the company. Lue gave up his To the Stars salary, stopped appearing on TV, and instead went solo, doing unpaid podcast interviews here and there as a way of continuing to raise awareness. To my knowledge, Lue has not been paid on any speaking circuits either, but I could be wrong. Maybe an appearance or two here and there? Either way, how else do you expect someone who is taking up this cause to make a living? Because that's what it is… a living and nothing more. None of these people are getting rich off of this, not by a long shot.

As for "hiding behind his secrecy," Lue would literally go to jail for publicly revealing everything he knows, seeing as the vast majority of the information he knows is classified. He's said this time and again, and it's not bullsh*t either. His decorated career, along with the various positions of authority he's held within the government, have all been verified.

It's just that anytime I see people knocking him, it always seems to be coming from a place of either bias, jealousy, or ignorance. Because if you truly look at the facts, along with his character, the dude could not be any more genuine. To the point where I really do think he's going to go down in the history books when and if the story of disclosure is finally written.
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aggiephoenix02 said:

redline248 said:

Do not engage that guy, he is the biggest troll on these threads. Worse than Redstone
I'm not a troll. I believe that life should exist elsewhere in the universe, maybe in abundance, I just don't believe it's possible to travel great distances in space. If alien life were to spread it would take millions of years as star systems passed close enough to make the voyages possible.

Aliens are never going to visit our planet. The closest thing to that happening would be probes with genetic robots that we assume are actual aliens.

I'm not a troll. I'm also not a raving buffoon who believes the government, or current or former government officials.

"It's ALIENS!" Haha, yeah, I'm the troll…

You pulled this exact same schtick in another thread, not too long ago, making all the same, obtuse points. Can we please not go through it again? Not because skepticism isn't welcomed, but because, based on your behavior last go around, you clearly don't care about having any kind of reasonable discussion. It's all about you shouting from your megaphone on your soapbox and nothing more.

Also, no one is "raving" or yelling "It's ALIENS!" I'm by far the most "enthusiastic" person here in that regard (at least until Spyderman shows up), and every chance I get I've made it a point to caveat my posts, which are full of things like...

"If true..."

"... apparently..."

"... but who knows."

"I could be wrong, though."

etc, etc

Do *I* think it's aliens? Probably so. But I'm also open to other possibilities, as I've discussed/engaged with multiple times now.
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I watched this interview few years ago, and the testimony is so crazy, but this guy also comes across as incredibly sincere. I don't know where I stand on the whole thing, but in light of all the crash retrieval talk lately, I figured it was worth posting (the full interview is in the YouTube embed below)...


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TCTTS said:


I would love to ask this dude some questions.

There is a poster on TexAgs who was (maybe still is) a commercial pilot. He posted in one of these threads once that he's seen weird stuff, but never gave any stories that I can remember. Maybe he's lurking and will chime in.

But I do question how much an airline cares about the pilots talking about seeing stuff. It's unlikely to impact ticket sales as long as the prices are reasonable.

Also, can't pilots just talk about their stories on anonymous message boards?
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redline248 said:

TCTTS said:


I would love to ask this dude some questions.

There is a poster on TexAgs who was (maybe still is) a commercial pilot. He posted in one of these threads once that he's seen weird stuff, but never gave any stories that I can remember. Maybe he's lurking and will chime in.

But I do question how much an airline cares about the pilots talking about seeing stuff. It's unlikely to impact ticket sales as long as the prices are reasonable.

Also, can't pilots just talk about their stories on anonymous message boards?

Sure, but I think it's more about air safety / having your employer actually listen to you (and not reprimand you for speaking out) / attempting to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on.
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TCTTS said:

It's a one-hour special, and then apparently afterwards there will be either a half-hour or hour-long follow-up, hosted by someone else, discussing the interview, I assume with a panel or guests or whatever.

Confirmed that the follow-up will be an hour as well, with various other experts/talking heads discussing the interview. So at 8c is We Are Not Alone: The UFO Whistleblower Speaks, and then at 9c is We Are Not Alone: NewsNation Special Report. Basically, a two-hour special altogether, but two separate programs, guide-wise, so set your DVRs accordingly.
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DVR set, thanks.
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TCTTS said:

Rocagnante said:

redline248 said:

Plugged into Luis Elizondo...

Why does everything keep coming back to this guy?


I'm there with you on Luis. He comes across as someone trying to sell tv shows. Has he been going on any paid speaking circuits?

If Luis' primary motivation is disclosure and the public has a right to know, then he needs to quit hiding behind his secrecy agreement and tell everything he knows, or go away.

I could not disagree with this more. IMO, Lue does not at all come across as someone "trying to sell TV shows."

Yes, after he left the Pentagon (in frustration, because he was being met with deaf ears and felt he couldn't affect change), he and a number of other reputable officials/scientist joined To the the Stars, because they felt that teaming together and getting their message out via their Unidentified series would be the most effective course of action. And the two seasons of that series are not only some of the best, most earnest and serious examination of the subject to date, they *actually* affected change within the government, via the series, by establishing an official protocol by which military pilots can now report UAP sightings. (Never mind the massive awareness they raised in general through both the series and the 2017 NYT article, essentially changing the UAP field forever.)

But then, the second that both Lue and Christopher Mellon felt that To the Stars was becoming too entertainment focused, they left the company. Lue gave up his To the Stars salary, stopped appearing on TV, and instead went solo, doing unpaid podcast interviews here and there as a way of continuing to raise awareness. To my knowledge, Lue has not been paid on any speaking circuits either, but I could be wrong. Maybe an appearance or two here and there? Either way, how else do you expect someone who is taking up this cause to make a living? Because that's what it is… a living and nothing more. None of these people are getting rich off of this, not by a long shot.

As for "hiding behind his secrecy," Lue would literally go to jail for publicly revealing everything he knows, seeing as the vast majority of the information he knows is classified. He's said this time and again, and it's not bullsh*t either. His decorated career, along with the various positions of authority he's held within the government, have all been verified.

It's just that anytime I see people knocking him, it always seems to be coming from a place of either bias, jealousy, or ignorance. Because if you truly look at the facts, along with his character, the dude could not be any more genuine. To the point where I really do think he's going to go down in the history books when and if the story of disclosure is finally written.


Glad to hear Lue is getting out of the limelight. Has he contributed anything new to the conversation recently?

Which one am I….biased, jealous or ignorant?

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I agree with everything you said. Those two have become pretty synonymous with disclosure in the last few years, so I find it nice to have some fresh faces just to feel like this is picking up momentum.
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Is what is showing right now new?

Seen these interviews last week
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As someone who has been following this subject closely for 30+ years, going all the way back to episodes of Unsolved Mysteries in the late '80s, that interview, in-full, was one of the most surreal things I've ever seen.

Hearing some of those words, thoughts, and revelations being discussed like that, in the context they were presented, on a national stage, in prime time, was just incredible. I know certain people will mock this or roll their eyes, but I genuinely believe that tonight (or this past week, rather), will be looked back on as a turning point/landmark moment in the subject of UAP, if not in how the human race ultimately understands its place in the universe. Because the interview premiered on a news network not everyone receives, because it was up against the Tony Awards tonight in terms of the culture, and because of the stigma in general, the episode itself won't do gangbuster numbers or anything, but the damn has now been broken, and what this interview will lead to, in terms of hearings, revelations, and other whistleblowers coming forward, will be immeasurable, and game-changing.

David Grusch is the man, and I could not be more impressed with his character, credentials, aims, attitude, and moral imperative, while I thought Ross Coulthart could not have done a better job either, expertly framing each bombshell in the moment, asking all the right questions, and grilling Grusch just enough. That was so impressive, and damn near perfect in every way.

Now, the real work begins.
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The full interview/program, commercial free and in its entirety…

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astros4545 said:

Is what is showing right now new?

Seen these interviews last week

You posted this 12 minutes into an an hour-long program.

Also, I've been saying all week, and it was made clear in the promotions, that this was simply the full version of the interview they had been teasing with various excerpts/segments all week.

That, and there were still plenty of new revelations, while the surrounding context/full presentation really helped to bring things into perspective as well.
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Rocagnante said:

TCTTS said:

Rocagnante said:

redline248 said:

Plugged into Luis Elizondo...

Why does everything keep coming back to this guy?


I'm there with you on Luis. He comes across as someone trying to sell tv shows. Has he been going on any paid speaking circuits?

If Luis' primary motivation is disclosure and the public has a right to know, then he needs to quit hiding behind his secrecy agreement and tell everything he knows, or go away.

I could not disagree with this more. IMO, Lue does not at all come across as someone "trying to sell TV shows."

Yes, after he left the Pentagon (in frustration, because he was being met with deaf ears and felt he couldn't affect change), he and a number of other reputable officials/scientist joined To the the Stars, because they felt that teaming together and getting their message out via their Unidentified series would be the most effective course of action. And the two seasons of that series are not only some of the best, most earnest and serious examination of the subject to date, they *actually* affected change within the government, via the series, by establishing an official protocol by which military pilots can now report UAP sightings. (Never mind the massive awareness they raised in general through both the series and the 2017 NYT article, essentially changing the UAP field forever.)

But then, the second that both Lue and Christopher Mellon felt that To the Stars was becoming too entertainment focused, they left the company. Lue gave up his To the Stars salary, stopped appearing on TV, and instead went solo, doing unpaid podcast interviews here and there as a way of continuing to raise awareness. To my knowledge, Lue has not been paid on any speaking circuits either, but I could be wrong. Maybe an appearance or two here and there? Either way, how else do you expect someone who is taking up this cause to make a living? Because that's what it is… a living and nothing more. None of these people are getting rich off of this, not by a long shot.

As for "hiding behind his secrecy," Lue would literally go to jail for publicly revealing everything he knows, seeing as the vast majority of the information he knows is classified. He's said this time and again, and it's not bullsh*t either. His decorated career, along with the various positions of authority he's held within the government, have all been verified.

It's just that anytime I see people knocking him, it always seems to be coming from a place of either bias, jealousy, or ignorance. Because if you truly look at the facts, along with his character, the dude could not be any more genuine. To the point where I really do think he's going to go down in the history books when and if the story of disclosure is finally written.


Glad to hear Lue is getting out of the limelight. Has he contributed anything new to the conversation recently?

Which one am I….biased, jealous or ignorant?

Lue is now finishing a book on his experience/findings, set to be released later this year, rumored to be timed in coordination with all of this whistleblower action, that will apparently be a pretty big deal. Basically, he, Grusch, Mellon, Kean, Coulthart, etc, have been working hard and (reportedly) communicating behind the scenes toward what is sounding more and more like a coordinated push to blow the lid off this thing once and for all, and force the government's hand. More whistleblowers are apparently set to come forward, and we're now getting a public hearing at some point this summer, based on Grusch's testimony. Lue's book will then follow, which apparently connects even more dots, corroborates a ton of this, and will basically be what sounds like "definitive" word on all of this.
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And just to beat some of you to the punch, the below is obviously still truer than ever. I'm just saying, I think tonight was a gigantic step toward that eventual proof…

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Alright, consider me a skeptic. What possible evidence could there be to change my mind? Because listening to people talk isn't going to do anything.

After everything the media and governments have lied about, why would this be the thing that's true?

Do you really believe 'the cats out of the bag'? I just can't imagine any "proof" that could change anyone's mind either way…
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TCTTS said:

I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...


I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.

My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha
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Just finished the second hour follow-up, which is captivating in its own right, providing so much great discussion/context, and is absolutely worth the watch as well.

Coulthart once again proves that he knows his sh*t forwards and backwards, making so many great points (and owning Mick West in the process, which was the cherry on top).

This was the most essential quote of his from the entire thing, though. After saying it's impossible, at this stage, for Grusch to convince us of his claims..."What he wants is for his claims to be tested."

To me, this is the most telling aspect, and speaks to what I see as Grusch's confidence and altruism. He gains nothing by coming forward, save for threats and headaches, at least in the short term. Still, he feels a sense of duty and obligation, and all he wants is for someone of influence and power to try and call his bluff. Informing/convincing the American people is a by product - right now, anyway - taking a backseat to challenging our government to go investigate his claims themselves, and then do something about them.
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aggiephoenix02 said:

Alright, consider me a skeptic. What possible evidence could there be to change my mind? Because listening to people talk isn't going to do anything.

After everything the media and governments have lied about, why would this be the thing that's true?

Do you really believe 'the cats out of the bag'? I just can't imagine any "proof" that could change anyone's mind either way…

What you can or can't imagine isn't anyone's problem but your own. No matter what happens, or what's revealed, there will always be those who lack imagination or can't be convinced, until an alien is standing on the White House lawn. And even then there will be a number of people who still won't buy it. Again, for those types, the burden won't be on anyone to convince them of anything. Like the moon landing, even though you've never been to the moon yourself, you either choose to believe it happened, like 99.9% of world... or you don't.

That said, the President coming forward to address the nation, confirming that these things are real, in combination with some kind of officially-released, ultra-convincing video footage of aliens retrieved from one of these crashes, *still* wouldn't convince you? Really?

Personally, at this point, I think it'll be the "proof" that leaks first - in the form of some kind of undeniable video + classified documents + multiple whistleblowers coming forward - thereby forcing the government to finally admit to a coverup. Otherwise, I seriously doubt our government voluntarily gives up that info until it absolutely has to. Instead, it's going to be up to whistleblowers or leakers to finally force their hand.
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aggiephoenix02 said:

TCTTS said:

I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...


I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.

My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha

Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
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Not to mention, he also faces jail time if his whistleblower claims are proven false.
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So at this point there is no proof, just government and former government employees talking, and documents. No proof, just grainy video footage of spots from sensor equipment.

Can you blame anyone for being skeptical? Is there any room on this thread for skepticism and questioning, or is this supposed to be an echo chamber for your "imagination"? Heaven forbid I make a joke or else I'll be called a troll…
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TCTTS said:

aggiephoenix02 said:

TCTTS said:

I'll post an official YouTube link when one is available, but until then...


I watched the video. Is anything this guy saying new or is it his credibility that is different? I only ask because he's saying the same things many others have said, only he had security clearance and whistleblower documents.

My favorite part is when they tie in Russia and China, scary stuff! Haha

Yes, every single thing Grusch says in the interview has either been speculated or rumored for years - by credible officials - prior to now. But, yes - what's new is that Grusch is the first to ever *officially* come forward, in this manner, with the reputation, bonafides, security clearances, and documents to back his claims up, thereby "confirming" many suspicions. This was an unprecedented act, one that many believe might have just blown this whole thing wide open, after a potential 80-90-year cover-up.
How is this different that Lue coming forward with his claims, other than having 1 or 2 people say he has a great reputation? (I do not know all the details about Lue's stuff, just some cursory things).
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Mr President Elect said:

Not to mention, he also faces jail time if his whistleblower claims are proven false.
Sorta like all those other government officials going to jail for being a part of a psyop. Oh, wait, that doesn't ever happen…
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Mr President Elect said:

Not to mention, he also faces jail time if his whistleblower claims are proven false.

Exactly. AND fines, along with the risk of irreparably destroying his unvarnished reputation. So even if his *only* goal were to somehow make millions off this (which, again, is a pie-in-sky notion), there's absolutely no way it would be worth the risk in this instance. I just can't fathom any other reasons for him to come forward, other than for the reasons he so clearly outlines.
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TCTTS said:

aggiephoenix02 said:

Alright, consider me a skeptic. What possible evidence could there be to change my mind? Because listening to people talk isn't going to do anything.

After everything the media and governments have lied about, why would this be the thing that's true?

Do you really believe 'the cats out of the bag'? I just can't imagine any "proof" that could change anyone's mind either way…

What you can or can't imagine isn't anyone's problem but your own. No matter what happens, or what's revealed, there will always be those who lack imagination or can't be convinced, until an alien is standing on the White House lawn. And even then there will be a number of people who still won't buy it. Again, for those types, the burden won't be on anyone to convince them of anything. Like the moon landing, even though you've never been to the moon yourself, you either choose to believe it happened, like 99.9% of world... or you don't.

That said, the President coming forward to address the nation, confirming that these things are real, in combination with some kind of officially-released, ultra-convincing video footage of aliens retrieved from one of these crashes, *still* wouldn't convince you? Really?

Personally, at this point, I think it'll be the "proof" that leaks first - in the form of some kind of undeniable video + classified documents + multiple whistleblowers coming forward - thereby forcing the government to finally admit to a coverup. Otherwise, I seriously doubt our government voluntarily gives up that info until it absolutely has to. Instead, it's going to be up to whistleblowers or leakers to finally force their hand.
I would love to see Joe Biden get in front of the podium and tell the world aliens are real. Haha, I hope he's eating a chocolate chocolate chip ice cream cone and wearing sunglasses while he does it…
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aggiephoenix02 said:

So at this point there is no proof, just government and former government employees talking, and documents. No proof, just grainy video footage of spots from sensor equipment.

Can you blame anyone for being skeptical? Is there any room on this thread for skepticism and questioning, or is this supposed to be an echo chamber for your "imagination"? Heaven forbid I make a joke or else I'll be called a troll…

Give me a break. What you're doing isn't being "skeptical." You're outright mocking those who believe this even *might* be real. You're not engaging in healthy, good-faith discussion in any way. Instead, again, you're using this thread as a means to soapbox and deride, without truly listening to or processing anything counter to your own, bias opinion, no different than than the last time we had this go-around.
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