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Also, I know the gov is probably prioritizing weapons/defense research first, but can you imagine some like Musk getting a look at this stuff? He'd probably already have flying Teslas.

Private sector would probably have a tech boom.

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I'm legit torn. On one hand, again, the risk of our adversaries either beating us to the punch or acquiring reverse engineered tech from us may simply be too great. Hence the obscene secrecy/security. But on the other hand, if only a handful of scientists have ever examined these craft, in crazy restrictive settings, no wonder we haven't been able to crack any of it yet. Wheres if released to the public, yeah, the private sector would absolutely have an infinitely greater chance of figuring it out, with all the minds that could come together, the data that could be shared, and especially the money that could be made.

So what do we do?

At this point, like I said, hands will likely be forced, and I'm ready to let the chips fall where they may. Especially with A.I. advancing at the rate it is, the world is about to change rapidly anyway, so we might as well throw alien tech into the mix, go hog wild, and see how far we can get with all this stuff. We'd very likely end up starting WWIII, but who knows, maybe things become so advanced we ultimate end up with utopia.

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I wouldn't say it's a fact. It wouldn't be the first psyop the government has pulled on its own people if that's all it is.

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I would suggest that Blue Book (and its later variations) was the psyop. The top layer of the onion, if you will, to explain away witness accounts as unreliable, or provide mundane explanations for UFO sightings. We're past that layer now.

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Also, I know the gov is probably prioritizing weapons/defense research first, but can you imagine some like Musk getting a look at this stuff? He'd probably already have flying Teslas.

Private sector would probably have a tech boom.

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If these reports prove accurate then the private sector already had a tech boom.

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Also, I know the gov is probably prioritizing weapons/defense research first, but can you imagine some like Musk getting a look at this stuff? He'd probably already have flying Teslas.

Private sector would probably have a tech boom.

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If these reports prove accurate then the private sector already had a tech boom.

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Are you saying that the private sector already got hands on alien tech and we've all benefited from it? If so, that just increases the size of the ring of people who knew and we still don't any leaks about it?

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I'm not saying anything. It's was this Grusch guy is saying isn't it?

If this stuff turns out to be true then it has been leaked. Multiple times. Just no one believed them.

If true, the only people who have ever had their hands on this tech are a very select few higher-ups in our government, along with whatever super secret skunkworks group of scientists/engineers at Lockheed I mentioned earlier (and if not Lockheed, another aerospace company). Select *information* about this tech has obviously leaked to people like Grusch and Lue Elizondo, but there's not a chance in hell the tech itself has leaked. I'd argue it's the closest/highest guarded anything in the history of our country.

Leslie Kean talks about how the security for the program and how they spent more on maintaining the secrecy than on the actual program itself. I’ve harped on this point in my various twitter spaces . pic.twitter.com/mmZGc5nKF9

— Christopher Wolford (@devgru1980mi) June 8, 2023

("the program" being the crash retrieval/reverse engineering program)

That's the rub, isn't it? If this is true then the people controlling access to the materials don't want people to know. So no matter how credible the witness, it's impossible to prove and the witness gets pushed into the tin foil category.

If y'all have some time, I think this podcast provides some healthy skepticism. I think Mick West is a little too dismissive of the 2017 videos like the DoD and NASA didn't consider the movement of the camera when analyzing the UAPs. But I can buy the hearsay issues and the improbability of nations including Russia, Korea, and Iran keeping a secret about recovery of debris and/or bodies.

I said it earlier, but a critical approach and healthy skepticism is absolutely essential in this field. And I agree it's unlikely that A) a number of countries have these craft, and B) they've *all* somehow managed to keep them secret for decades. So that's definitely a conversation worth having.

Still, I can't help but put Mick West up there with Greenstreet in terms of his insincerity/bias. On multiple occasions it's been shown that he omits key information when trying to debunk this stuff, while blatantly ignoring any kind of genuine scientific method. He's the face of modern day "swamp gas" bullsh*t, and none of these military vets/officials take him remotely seriously. There was even an article about him like a year or so ago where he straight up admitted that, as a kid, the thought of aliens scared him to death, so much so that he's now basically made it his life's mission to quell that fear/prove they don't exist. Which seems like the absolute worst way to approach this subject.

Again, we obviously need to question and inspect every claim, I'm simply saying that Mick West isn't the guy we should be putting any stock in whatsoever in that regard. That, and I'll take the word of everyone who has vouched for Grusch so far over West any day of the week.

Is anyone willing to play contrarian with me? Instead of coming up with plausible reasons for why they keep this real thing a secret...let's all come up with plausible reasons why we get "leaks" and the people behind it know it's not real. Or maybe someone(s) who know it's not real would use people like Grusch to get this info out? He reportedly has an impeccable record, let's feed him some fake info, he won't know he's not telling the truth.

For me, I go right away to congressional funding. I have posted before on other threads that the easiest way to get Congress to sign off on your budget is by saying "we have this scary stuff out here we can identify and it could be bad for us if you cut funding."

(again - I'm not saying this is going on, but it's the nature of how I question things)

Congressional funding would make the most sense. Either that or a roundabout attempt to get some kind of policy or loophole something-or-other approved. There's also the possibility, however remote, that we've somehow developed anti-gravity tech on our own, and this is a crazy head fake to screw with Russia/China via some kind of 4D chess.

That said, it would have to be so elaborate that I just don't know how they would have pulled it off. Because it's not random people giving Grusch this info. In some instances he said it's from colleagues he's known and trusted his entire career. And then, for the others, *he's* vetting them/doing his due diligence, so then *those* people would have had to have been given convincing enough false info as well, or are straight up conning him, and so on. Not to mention, this would have had to have taken place, meticulously, over at least two decades, with not just Grusch as the target, but people like Lue Elizondo and Chris Mellon as well.

Honestly, with everything these people have seen and heard, including all the military pilots who have come forward, it would have to be the most elaborate psyop in history, which somehow seems more unbelievable than it just being aliens.

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Is anyone willing to play contrarian with me? Instead of coming up with plausible reasons for why they keep this real thing a secret...let's all come up with plausible reasons why we get "leaks" and the people behind it know it's not real. Or maybe someone(s) who know it's not real would use people like Grusch to get this info out? He reportedly has an impeccable record, let's feed him some fake info, he won't know he's not telling the truth.

For me, I go right away to congressional funding. I have posted before on other threads that the easiest way to get Congress to sign off on your budget is by saying "we have this scary stuff out here we can identify and it could be bad for us if you cut funding."

(again - I'm not saying this is going on, but it's the nature of how I question things)

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I think that's a fair point because I too think the most plausible explanation is that the past 5 years has been a disinformation campaign for whatever reason. I think it would be cool if it's all true but I think a bunch of govt officials lying is more likely than another civilization visiting us. However when more people like Grusch that come forward and have their credibility confirmed by other credible people it makes the other possibilities more acceptable.

The possibility that the US government has nonhuman spacecraft sounds crazy, but the people who say we do are not. If you think there’s nothing there then you should have no objection to Congress looking. We the people in a democracy have a right to know.pic.twitter.com/4dtA9UrEdR

— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) June 8, 2023

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The possibility that the US government has nonhuman spacecraft sounds crazy, but the people who say we do are not. If you think there’s nothing there then you should have no objection to Congress looking. We the people in a democracy have a right to know.pic.twitter.com/4dtA9UrEdR

— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) June 8, 2023

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To me a dozen or more makes it harder to believe. Like others have said they have technology to overcome space/time/distance barriers only to crash land? Who knows it's all crazy to think about.

The past four days…

- Apple officially enters the AR/VR space with the announcement of the Vision Pro, their groundbreaking new product years in the making.

- Former intelligence officer turned whistleblower David Grusch shocks the world by revealing that our government has in its possession crashed alien spacecraft and bodies.

- A Las Vegas family makes national news with a 911 call claiming two aliens are in their backyard, with the story continuing to somehow gain traction.

- In a historic move, former President Donald Trump is officially charged with illegal retention of classified documents.

Is this the craziest news week ever?

At least I picked a good week to get a bad cold, which has kept me home, in bed, and in front of a computer.

For sure. It's honestly how I'm following this story!

Excellent, informative article...

A powerful investigative agency found a whistleblower’s claims of illegal UFO retrieval activities “credible and urgent.”

The whistleblower’s lawyer is beyond reproach.

The basic facts of the story should captivate every news and living room in America.https://t.co/bklPR2aD6B

— MarikvR (@MvonRen) June 9, 2023

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Beyond this stunning revelation, the whistleblower - a former high-level intelligence official - is represented by a lawyer who served previously as the intelligence community's first inspector general, a Senate-confirmed position. The managing partner of the law firm representing the whistleblower reportedly co-signed the complaint submitted to the current Intelligence Community inspector general. As noted in a legal analysis, no lawyer, let alone two high-caliber attorneys, would sign such an extraordinary document without "very credible source material."

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Excellent, informative article...

A powerful investigative agency found a whistleblower’s claims of illegal UFO retrieval activities “credible and urgent.”

The whistleblower’s lawyer is beyond reproach.

The basic facts of the story should captivate every news and living room in America.https://t.co/bklPR2aD6B

— MarikvR (@MvonRen) June 9, 2023

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Beyond this stunning revelation, the whistleblower - a former high-level intelligence official - is represented by a lawyer who served previously as the intelligence community's first inspector general, a Senate-confirmed position. The managing partner of the law firm representing the whistleblower reportedly co-signed the complaint submitted to the current Intelligence Community inspector general. As noted in a legal analysis, no lawyer, let alone two high-caliber attorneys, would sign such an extraordinary document without "very credible source material."

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Another example of what I was referring to earlier. Photos of recovered craft and non-human occupants aren't necessary to recognize that the real story here is that appointed and elected officials at all levels of government and DoD are talking in dead seriousness about the existence of a secret black-ops UFO crash retrieval program operating with no apparent oversight. That is mind blowing.

(edited for grammar and lack of coffee)

As we wait for the big interview on Sunday, I just wanted to make a roundup list of the key highlights that David Grusch and anonymous insiders have said this week. This was gathered from The Debrief article, News Nation reporting and the Michael Shellenberger article.

Of course… pic.twitter.com/WbUfWNsJi1

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) June 9, 2023

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Why? Is this like the middle east in the 80s where the guys driving Rolls Royce would get a flat tire and leave it on the highway and go buy a new one?

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I'm kind of thinking it was alien teenagers on a joy ride. They stopped to go cow tipping or something and by the time they returned the spaceship was crawling with feds and they were like "F*CK! What are we going to tell my parents?"

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Why? Is this like the middle east in the 80s where the guys driving Rolls Royce would get a flat tire and leave it on the highway and go buy a new one?

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I'm kind of thinking it was alien teenagers on a joy ride. They stopped to go cow tipping or something and by the time they returned the spaceship was crawling with feds and they were like "F*CK! What are we going to tell my parents?"

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They're called "Teasers."

These are great points that I'm starting to see echoed more and more…

Agreed. It’s happened before:https://t.co/y2px8qzAvD

— The Saucer Also Rises (@saucerlit) June 9, 2023

For those saying, "There's no way we kept this secret for 90 years," not to get all Redstone, but for those of us who have been following this subject for a while now, a lot of this info isn't exactly new. Because it wasn't kept secret and it did leak. Just not officially, like it is now.

For instance, over the years I've heard countless stories of a crash retrieval program, reverse engineering efforts, recovered bodies (complete with details from autopsy reports), the Lockheed Martin of it all, the intimidation tactics, and of course the endless details about Roswell. In fact, there have been so many credible reports of various crashes over the decades that certain enthusiast on Twitter/Reddit already seem to have a pretty good idea which ones from the "lore" could potentially make up a chunk of the 12-15 craft we apparently have in our possession. Heck, I saw someone mention the Italy 1933 one just *before* Grusch went on record about it (but after he'd come forward), and even I remember reading about it way back when, but had of course dismissed it.

If Grusch is, in fact, telling the truth, we also already potentially know how they fly these things (using consciousness/brainwaves, not physical controls), the frequencies they emit, their flight patterns, where they come from (be them interstellar or inter-dimensional), and have even potentially identified *multiple* different species - all things that have been "leaked"/reported by credible sources over the years. It's just that it all got mixed in with all the other bullsh*t, disinformation, and conspiracy theories, and combined with the stigma, NDAs, and threats, no one came forward in an official capacity, and it was impossible to separate fact from fiction (and obviously still is, though that seems to be changing).

In other words, for those not outright dismissing this news, it's being met in one of two ways, depending on who you are. It's either, "Holy sh*t, how have we never heard about this?!" - or - "Holy sh*t, so much of what we've heard is actually true?!"

Sunday's full interview with Grusch will naturally provide more detail and apparently drop quite a few more bombshells. And while I'm sure there will be plenty of new revelations *no one* has heard, I'm also betting a big chunk of it is simply "confirmation" of things some of us have been hearing for a while now.

#UFOtwitter #UFO #UFOs #UAP #USOs

Air Force Whistleblower David Grusch has given:

Locations of where these crafts are stored.

The names of the people in charge of the UFO program.

The names of the gatekeepers within the program.

Named a private aerospace company. pic.twitter.com/DG3YGNIlzx

— wow (@wow36932525) June 9, 2023

(*has given to various committee members, in his 11-hour testimony)

Is it true that the authors of the Grusch interview are the same ones that wrote the previous Luis Elizando article?

Yep. Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal. In coordination with Ross Coulthart, the one who actually interviewed Grusch, who it sounds like was a bit more influential in getting this whole Grusch thing going.

People want to know my thoughts on why #UAP witness David Grusch can’t publicly detail the full evidence that supports his allegations the US has retrieved nonhuman spacecraft. Here’s my explanation: https://t.co/Xvlcmd0tXC

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) June 10, 2023

You guys are nuts.

No one has seen an alien spacecraft. In each of these accounts, swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.