There shouldn't be an argument except from those that don't understand what a scientific claim is.Fenrir said:
We've got one guy looking at this from a scientific standpoint asking for evidence and another looking at it like it's a courtroom argument...so now it's a semantics argument about what constitutes evidence.
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As it stands today it's more like a court case and the people who made recent claims want the data released (sensor, photo, video) so that it can become a scientific case.
I meant but should have clarified "credible", because you're right in that there are certainly photos and videos at some level.Michael Cera Palin said:
That's the whole point, people say "nothing is filmed" and I'm saying it is and shoved into lunacy land on YouTube.
I'm not saying it's real or credible (or that I believe it) but stuff does exist, it's just not viewed as serious like it was when people gave eye witness stories back in the day
Look no further than the Great Pyramid.Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:TCTTS said:People say they want evidence. Short of walking out of an NHI or flying a UAP over Congress in real time, please define what you want to see? I mean it... state what you want? And how you would get it and believe it?
— Garry P. Nolan (@GarryPNolan) July 26, 2023
I'll give you my approach: So, what Congress is doing is…
This is an easy answer…ummm…some actual evidence?
That will have to suffice for now..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Which system Lord is your favorite?
Yeah, I can accept that it can be viewed as a trigger for a larger and better process. In that if they came off as clowns today, which they most certainly did not, then there wouldn't be much point in trying to find good evidence or spend much more time on this. But it certainly can't ultimately end with just testimony or we haven't gotten anywhere.Rocagnante said:
As it stands today it's more like a court case and the people who made recent claims want the data released (sensor, photo, video) so that it can become a scientific case.
Look, I realize I'm challenging this really hard, but if it's all real then it'll stand up to the questioning and be more compelling for it. but I can't get onboard with "I really want to believe so if someone sounds good then that's all I need to hear" view. And I know most of you guys are not saying that. I'll accept this if it's genuine, but I want to know it's genuine if it is, not just validate what I already want to hear.
This would be literally the biggest story ever by an incalculable amount. Actually, that doesn't even describe it. It needs to be pushed back against hard to be tested, and there shouldn't be any casual stance about what it would mean. As I already said, the ironic thing is it seems like many of the people closest to it are treating it like it's just something that would be "really cool". They're so absorbed in it that they don't even realize the resulting implications if it's true. And many, probably most, of those are not good. I think that's why so many don't understand why the news isn't running with a bunch of "And in other cool news, we learned aliens are all around us today..and now sports!" It's not a video game or something that'll be talked about for a year and then forgotten.
It would among other things mean that by definition we have no agency whatsoever from here on out. We'd exist at their convenience. If we go to Mars it's only because they've allowed us to go to Mars, etc. Whether they interact or not is irrelevant, we're just an anthill to be kicked or stepped over on a whim.
There are 100 things about this that don't seem to make sense, but let's see what happens. I said multiple times that the hearing today was better than I expected, so I'm still listening.
You guys have a good night.
This is exactly the kind of answer that validates any level of skepticism.
Nm, wrong thread…
Laura Ingraham @IngrahamAngle makes some great points on her show tonight, nice to see her covering it seriously and thinking about it critically.
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I appreciate the posts with new or interesting thoughts, but do we need every single tweet that says someone testified about alien bodies?
Are you fishing for blue stars?
Are you fishing for blue stars?
Come on, bro, that's way too much text for one post…
Edited. sorry, didn't seem that long when I was skimming it.
redline248 said:
I appreciate the posts with new or interesting thoughts, but do we need every single tweet that says someone testified about alien buddies?
Are you fishing for blue stars?
I've been following this subject since the late '80s, and today was a landmark day. It was basically the Super Bowl of ufology. It obviously wasn't disclosure, but I didn't know if I'd ever see the seriousness with the subject was treated this morning, along with the insane amount of coverage it's received since. I just wanted to document some of it for posterity sake, as a reminder of how wide an audience this reached today, easily the widest audience that's ever given this subject legit consideration.
Anybody seen this document?? I want to learn about this more than anything else.TKEAg04 said:
They also introduced a document at the very beginning detailing some type of new propulsion system into record using spacetime physics. It's long been speculated these craft exploit spacetime to move the way they do. I really want to see that.
I love Dan Carlin and that is an amazing article. It's not that long and I encourage everyone to read it. Thank you for posting.
I haven't read it, yet, but looks like this could be itTKEAg04 said:Anybody seen this document?? I want to learn about this more than anything else.TKEAg04 said:
They also introduced a document at the very beginning detailing some type of new propulsion system into record using spacetime physics. It's long been speculated these craft exploit spacetime to move the way they do. I really want to see that.
https://earthtech.org/publications/puthoff_jbis.pdf
Thanks!redline248 said:I haven't read it, yet, but looks like this could be itTKEAg04 said:Anybody seen this document?? I want to learn about this more than anything else.TKEAg04 said:
They also introduced a document at the very beginning detailing some type of new propulsion system into record using spacetime physics. It's long been speculated these craft exploit spacetime to move the way they do. I really want to see that.
https://earthtech.org/publications/puthoff_jbis.pdf
I don't know if that is what was referenced in the hearing. Burchett mentioned it was unclassified and was defense intelligence reference document...
I don't know if that means it was at some point classified, or it never was. The article I posted is from some institute in Austin...unclear to me, right now, if it's the same thing
I don't know if that means it was at some point classified, or it never was. The article I posted is from some institute in Austin...unclear to me, right now, if it's the same thing
redline248 said:
I don't know if that is what was referenced in the hearing. Burchett mentioned it was unclassified and was defense intelligence reference document...
I don't know if that means it was at some point classified, or it never was. The article I posted is from some institute in Austin...unclear to me, right now, if it's the same thing
I'm going to digest the physics a bit more, but there was definitely a reason this was put into public record. Much of what is mathematically possible in this document mirrors quite a bit of what is being reported in UAP sightings.
Coincidence? Nope.
I would agree with you on that.
Ok, I just kind of want to recap what we heard today.
1. 2004 tic tac event. Impossible speeds and coming from impossible altitudes. Here's an interview from 2 years ago with whom I can only assume is one of the other 3 pilots Fravor talked about. She says it moved in a way that they couldn't classify, but doesn't go into any of the impossible speeds, etc, that Fravor discussed
2. 2014 Navy jets get upgraded radar and start seeing things never picked up before. This one is pretty interesting to me. Stuff has been there, but not "seen" until newer tech is available. I am unclear whether or not any pilots saw these things with their human eyes before they started seeking them out under the new radar scans. Maybe one of y'all know that answer.
Anyway, these are black or gray cubes inside a clear sphere. At least one encounter came within 50 ft of an aircraft. They are capable of maintaining a fixed position in hurricane winds. I wonder how that was determined. Is it normal for aircraft to operate close enough to a hurricane to get that kind of observation?
3. At least 1 football field sized cube (I think they said) came from off shore and hovered over a military base. I have to find out more details about this.
4. Finally, the secret crash retrieval programs going back to the 30s and in some cases the recovery of non-human biologicals. In other words, alien bodies.
The last point is going to have to go on the back burner, for now. I think the other stuff is where the focus should go, because it doesn't immediately put people off as "oh great, another crazy train"
1. 2004 tic tac event. Impossible speeds and coming from impossible altitudes. Here's an interview from 2 years ago with whom I can only assume is one of the other 3 pilots Fravor talked about. She says it moved in a way that they couldn't classify, but doesn't go into any of the impossible speeds, etc, that Fravor discussed
2. 2014 Navy jets get upgraded radar and start seeing things never picked up before. This one is pretty interesting to me. Stuff has been there, but not "seen" until newer tech is available. I am unclear whether or not any pilots saw these things with their human eyes before they started seeking them out under the new radar scans. Maybe one of y'all know that answer.
Anyway, these are black or gray cubes inside a clear sphere. At least one encounter came within 50 ft of an aircraft. They are capable of maintaining a fixed position in hurricane winds. I wonder how that was determined. Is it normal for aircraft to operate close enough to a hurricane to get that kind of observation?
3. At least 1 football field sized cube (I think they said) came from off shore and hovered over a military base. I have to find out more details about this.
4. Finally, the secret crash retrieval programs going back to the 30s and in some cases the recovery of non-human biologicals. In other words, alien bodies.
The last point is going to have to go on the back burner, for now. I think the other stuff is where the focus should go, because it doesn't immediately put people off as "oh great, another crazy train"
Regarding part of number 2. I doubt they were near a hurricane. Just using it for comparison as those wind speeds at altitude are pretty common.
Ah, that makes more sense.
thanks for that recap
Vandenberg. I think this is an incident that hasn't been talked about publicly yet?redline248 said:
3. At least 1 football field sized cube (I think they said) came from off shore and hovered over a military base. I have to find out more details about this.
The title is the same as the document Burchett referenced in his opening statement. He only said it was unclassified and public, so it wasn't clear if it had previously been classified.redline248 said:
I don't know if that is what was referenced in the hearing. Burchett mentioned it was unclassified and was defense intelligence reference document...
I don't know if that means it was at some point classified, or it never was. The article I posted is from some institute in Austin...unclear to me, right now, if it's the same thing
I am neither an engineer nor a physicist. My impression of this paper is that the math around antigravitic forces shows that propulsion is theoretically possible, but we didn't have the technological ability to harness it at the time of publication in 2010. Moreover, it contrasts the relativistic features of "vacuum engineered spacetime" propulsion with near-light propulsion in unaltered spacetime. Basically comes right out and says that occupants of a craft using vacuum-engineered spacetime propulsion would be unaffected by extreme maneuvers like acceleration and turning.TKEAg04 said:redline248 said:
I don't know if that is what was referenced in the hearing. Burchett mentioned it was unclassified and was defense intelligence reference document...
I don't know if that means it was at some point classified, or it never was. The article I posted is from some institute in Austin...unclear to me, right now, if it's the same thing
I'm going to digest the physics a bit more, but there was definitely a reason this was put into public record. Much of what is mathematically possible in this document mirrors quite a bit of what is being reported in UAP sightings.
Coincidence? Nope.
Here is a very long document that was leaked yesterday by Michael Shellenberger that outlines the full timeline since the 1940's of UAP's as well as the tech advances achieved.
HERE
HERE
My pc protection software shut that link down before I could finish clicking it
I randomly scrolled down to browse a couple pages in less than a minute and saw:TKEAg04 said:
Here is a very long document that was leaked yesterday by Michael Shellenberger that outlines the full timeline since the 1940's of UAP's as well as the tech advances achieved.
HERE
1953
An anonymous former Warrant Officer in the Army claims he saw
crates at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in 1953 with recovered bodies of small humanoids, recovered
from Arizona in the desert,
1953
A source "H.J." says he was in the Army at Fort Polk, LA in 1953 when
they saw an egg shaped UAP crash land into soft sandy soil
21 May 1953
USAF project engineer on contract with the AEC for
Operation Upshot-Knothole
"Fritz Werner" (pseudonym) states he was placed on special assignment to
investigate a crashed UAP near Kingman, AZ on 21 May 1953, in a signed affidavit. Werner states the
object was constructed of an unfamiliar metal similar to aluminum, was oval, and had an entrance; inside,
he was told there were swivel steps, a cabin, instruments and displays. Werner states it had one occupant,
now dead, dark brown complexion, 4 feet tall, wearing a silvery metallic suit and a skull cap with no face
covering or helmet.
Werner states his job was to determine from the angle of the impact how fast the vehicle was
going at the time of impact
12 April 1954 "
KA" states he served in the USAF in 1954-55 at Roswell Air
Force Base where he began helicopter training. On the evening of 12 April 1954, KA states he was
ordered to report to the flight line as there was a crash in the desert; his crew was "Rescue 4." The crash
retrieval was 25-30 miles northwest over a lake where they saw a metallic saucer crashed edgewise into
the sand
I mean... crash, crash. crash. crash!!!! They're raining down like a meteor storm!
Asian women drivers would make fun of these stupid things. It's just hilarious!
Hmm, how many times does the skepticism regarding alien tech crashing need to be brought up? We get it, it seems far-fetched, but it's been stated many times and it doesn't really contribute to the conversation.
The more complex the technology, the more opportunities there are for issues to arise. Any craft that is manufactured, regardless of how advanced, has flaws and in various situations can be caused to malfunction. That these craft are being seen "daily" by a number of our military and commercial pilots, and have been observed consistently over the course of at least nine decades, it's not at all out the realm of possibility that ten or so could have crashed over that period of time, and that they were retrieved by humans.
There's also the theory, which I've mentioned here before, that some of these craft are being intentionally crashed, as a means to "gift" us their technology, and let us try to figure it ourselves, without officially breaking any potential rules of contact.
There's also the theory, which I've mentioned here before, that some of these craft are being intentionally crashed, as a means to "gift" us their technology, and let us try to figure it ourselves, without officially breaking any potential rules of contact.
Got a bad feeling this moment is coming
I'm not a physicist and the math equations are beyond me but everything that I comprehend reads like pretty much just a summation of the ideas of things like warp bubbles. It even mentions Alcubierre a few times. Nothing here seems knew. The theoretical physics do not seem new to me.
Also the guy that wrote the paper has some kooky ideas from what I recall.
Also the guy that wrote the paper has some kooky ideas from what I recall.
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