Note: while it would be ok for a private company to protect its secrets if the gov was not involved, if those efforts are being *funded* by the government, or were given tech by te gov, then gov should be able to send in whoever they want to do an audit, whenever they want.

— Riz Virk (@Rizstanford) July 26, 2023

TIME Magazine with a hell of a headline.https://t.co/fbrrjUFBSJ#ufotwitter #ufo #uap pic.twitter.com/FcW5QE7h3U

— UAP James (@UAPJames) July 26, 2023

A former intelligence community official testified on an alleged covert government program to recover and reverse engineer crashed alien spacecraft. https://t.co/BAYUQtjwWR

— ABC News (@ABC) July 26, 2023

Former U.S. intelligence official David Grusch claims under oath that aliens exist and that the U.S. government is in possession of UFOs and non-human bodies 🤯👽 pic.twitter.com/Qu7KZGs9v3

— Daily Loud (@DailyLoud) July 26, 2023

The ⁦⁦@Washingtonpost⁩ talks David Grusch & NHIs (ETs) … Finally. https://t.co/owCxqXUczr

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) July 26, 2023

At a House hearing on UFOs on Wednesday, lawmakers rebuked what they described as decades of unnecessary secrecy in U.S. programs that studied unexplained phenomena and a former official said the government was sheltering alien spacecraft. https://t.co/QmOKRMsYo5 pic.twitter.com/RYY8oy9cz9

— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 26, 2023

People say they want evidence. Short of walking out of an NHI or flying a UAP over Congress in real time, please define what you want to see? I mean it... state what you want? And how you would get it and believe it?

I'll give you my approach: So, what Congress is doing is…

— Garry P. Nolan (@GarryPNolan) July 26, 2023

Skeptics are saying that Grusch, in particular, shared nothing new (no proof). My question to my skeptical friends is this. How do you suggest that Grusch reveal classified material in a public forum without breaking the law and inviting prosecution? He said he would be glad to…

— Jim Harold (@THEJimHarold) July 26, 2023

Rocagnante said:

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Lazar can't even prove he went to college where he said he did

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Horse, here is water:

This is heading one way: verification and acknowledgement.

Either it isn't true and senior intel and defence personnel are all mad and lying.

Or it's true. And I believe it's true. Pandora's Box has been opened.

We're never going back.

— Christopher Sharp (@ChrisUKSharp) July 26, 2023

TCTTS said:

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Note: while it would be ok for a private company to protect its secrets if the gov was not involved, if those efforts are being *funded* by the government, or were given tech by te gov, then gov should be able to send in whoever they want to do an audit, whenever they want.

— Riz Virk (@Rizstanford) July 26, 2023

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If this gif gets removed again it's proof TexAgs is part of the coverup.

Rep. Tim Burchett and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna talk with reporters following the Congressional UAP Hearing and discuss non-human intelligence in relation to UAP, as well as reverse engineering programs.#ufotwitter #ufo #uap pic.twitter.com/7lVlxAgOOe

— UAP James (@UAPJames) July 26, 2023

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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How about one picture of said alien?

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Or one picture of the craft?

In fairness though, pictures can be doctored in incredible ways now. I probably would still be a little skeptical, but any evidence whatsoever would be a giant step in the right direction.

Today was a day of disclosure.

So many of the famous stories in UFO lore involve people, before camera phones, right up next to the aliens and ships. Can any of you explain why this stopped happening once cameras became common?

It's so weird, when you look at this list, not a single cited incident took place that wasn't a sighting in the sky or at night or on radar since the 90s.

List of reported UFO sightings - Wikipedia


But before that, when people conveniently didn't have cameras, they were often rubbing shoulders with the aliens. Just a sampling from the 50s to the 90s:



Over sixty students reported seeing a silver craft land in a field near the school. They described occupants dressed in all black that exited the silver object.

Polish farmer Jan Wolski reported that while returning home, two "short, green-faced humanoid entities" wearing black overalls jumped onto his horse-drawn cart and started speaking an incomprehensible language. After about 1000 ft (300 m), he reported seeing a white flying object, from which an alien creature came out and invited Wolski inside. The farmer said that they examined him once inside

Logger Travis Walton disappeared for over 5 days resulting in a police investigation of his coworkers. When questioned on where he had been, Walton said that he had been taken aboard a spacecraft by nearly human creatures.

Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker were fishing from a pier on the Pascagoula River when they say that they heard whirring sounds and witnessed a craft over 30 feet long with flashing lights. Both men say they were paralyzed and then taken by humanoids with "robotic slit-mouths" and "crab-like pincers"

A 13-year-old boy and his younger sister reported an incident to their father, local police, and investigators. According to police reports, they witnessed a brilliant sphere and four small black occupants while herding cattle outside their village

French farmer, Maurice Mass, witnessed a spherical vehicle in his lavender field. He noticed and approached two individuals that he observed near the vehicle, but after one pointed a tube in his direction, he stood still feeling paralyzed. He described the beings as child-sized, pale, large-headed, with only holes where a mouth should be. Mass said that after they left in their vehicle, he was never again able to grow a healthy plant in the area where the craft had landed. He did not personally comment on the effect this had on him, saying, "One always says too much." His wife reported that the man was plagued with exhaustion for months, that he had confessed some type of communication to her, and that it was a "spiritual experience" for her husband

The Hills reported the first alien abduction experience to be widely spread in English-language publications. While driving home, they observed a light move through the sky and land ahead of them. Barney Hill said that, against his will, he turned the car down a side road towards the light, where he found six small humanoid beings waiting for them. Betty Hill reported that they inserted a needle through her navel among other vaguely medical tests

Three local boys followed a bright object into the forest to what they believed was a UFO landing. They went to the nearby home of Kathleen May who accompanied them back to the spot along with 2 other children and teenage National Guardsman Eugene Lemon. In the forest, they smelled a foul odor and saw what May described as a tall figure with claws and "a head that resembled the ace of spades

Anyway, there are a ton more as you go back in time. But the last one describing up close encounters with aliens or their ships was in 1994. I'm sure that's not every sighting of course, but that only further emphasizes my point. For some reason in the last 30 years there's not one instance where we have a photo of creatures walking around in front of the witnesses. Billions of cell phones, security cameras, traffic cameras, doorbell cameras, etc. and not one. They conveniently happened only up until they could be easily photographed.

B.S.

Joes, I really appreciate you being a skeptic voice on this thread. It's good that someone is here keeping everyone level headed.

But at the same time they have done this. Marines at 21 palms filmed a UAP formation over the base in 2021, and immediately the debunkers went to work telling them it was flares and they're crazy.



A house camera in Colorado caught a strange bipedal creature walking down the driveway and the debunkers told the mom she was crazy and it was her son with underwear on his head walking around in the middle of the night.



The Graves and Fravor experiences literally filmed the craft on their targeting systems (the same ones that successfully put ordinance on terrorists) and the debunkers went to work telling them "oh it's too grainy and they're just stationary objects being distorted by the plane and camera movement".

I want to be clear, I don't look at any of those individual videos as definitive proof (especially the Colorado one) but stuff has been filmed in the modern age, our news cycle just doesn't treat them the same way it did back in the day.

Are there hysterical BS stories that have polluted the UFO/UAP scene over time? ABSOLUTELY. Have some of those stories died down now that people can call BS with respect to cameras? ABSOLUTELY. But that doesn't mean it's all a stink.

And there's a possibility, assuming the aliens are real, that they wised up to some of our photographic capabilities and are being stealthier about it (this is a large stretch by me but it's a possibility).

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I'm seeing a lot of folks clamoring for "evidence" but ignoring that testimony is a form of evidence. You can take issue with the credibility of the witness providing testimony but that does not change the fact that testimony, under oath, is evidence in and of itself.

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Dude, no.

This is not a courtroom; it's supposed to be science. Einstein didn't swear under oath that he figured out relativity and to take his word for it. Scientists don't skip peer review because the claimant "seems credible".

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Then say "scientific proof," not evidence.

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Because it's both in sequence, we expect the evidence to be provided first, it doesn't skip ahead to proof, that's a process.

We've got one guy looking at this from a scientific standpoint asking for evidence and another looking at it like it's a courtroom argument...so now it's a semantics argument about what constitutes evidence.

Michael Cera Palin said:

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Joes, I really appreciate you being a skeptic voice on this thread. It's good that someone is here keeping everyone level headed.

But at the same time they have done this. Marines at 21 palms filmed a UAP formation over the base in 2021, and immediately the debunkers went to work telling them it was flares and they're crazy.



A house camera in Colorado caught a strange bipedal creature walking down the driveway and the debunkers told the mom she was crazy and it was her son with underwear on his head walking around in the middle of the night.



The Graves and Fravor experiences literally filmed the craft on their targeting systems (the same ones that successfully put ordinance on terrorists) and the debunkers went to work telling them "oh it's too grainy and they're just stationary objects being distorted by the plane and camera movement".

I want to be clear, I don't look at any of those individual videos as definitive proof (especially the Colorado one) but stuff has been filmed in the modern age, our news cycle just doesn't treat them the same way it did back in the day.

Are there hysterical BS stories that have polluted the UFO/UAP scene over time? ABSOLUTELY. Have some of those stories died down now that people can call BS with respect to cameras? ABSOLUTELY. But that doesn't mean it's all a stink.

And there's a possibility, assuming the aliens are real, that they wised up to some of our photographic capabilities and are being stealthier about it (this is a large stretch by me but it's a possibility).

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I appreciate your comments and post, but if we're going to even try to depend on photos then they need to look like that image of the woman on the right. And given all of the incidents in the past that I posted where people were within few feet (several of those featured in the highly-recommended-by-enthusiasts The Phenomenon doc), combined with modern cameras, getting just one like that shouldn't be hard if they exist. I do hear what you're saying, there's different levels of imagery available depending on what your standard is.

But by the same token you can find imagery and video of that quality to justify belief in anything really. you don't have to look too hard to find "photos" of angels, fairies, bigfoot, goblins, sea monsters, Christian miracles, and on and on. Ultimately, I wouldn't even accept super high quality photos only as proof either but I'm saying we don't even have that to start with.