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In reply to Redstone • 3:57p, 7/31/26
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Redstone said:
Couthart has said more than once, and he has deep sourcing, that Trump fears for his life - depending on what / about whom is revealed.

There are multiple bureaucratic civil wars occurring.


I'm not convinced Trump fears anything at all besides being forgotten, for whatever that's worth.
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In reply to watty • 6:14p, 7/31/26
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He's already survived one attempt and was the target of a 2nd, thwarted attempt. I doubt he's scared what happens if he talks about aliens
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9:46a, 8/1/26
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1975, Sen. Church committee - heart attack stun gun, nondiscernible microbioinoculator, a modified pistol that fired a tiny frozen dart of saxitoxin

So, imagine the technology now, combined with the attitude of presidents as temporary help, the total rejection of Clinton prying, and most important - the "need" to keep activities / tech / entities "classified"

Gerb is right, we need Grusch to be empowered bureaucratically
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11:33a, 8/1/26
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12:48p, 8/2/26
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:18p, 8/2/26
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Northrop released this ad a year ago with a Manta Ray submersible in it.



Looks like somebody doctored the original and edited in an AI generated TR3B. Don't trust it without original NG sourcing.
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9:01p, 8/2/26
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Gerb community post, focus is crash retrievals

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To this day, I see clips circulating of Jesse Michel's and me speaking about our top 5 favorite crash retrievals on American Alechemy.... Let me tell you, it's difficult to come up with this stuff on the spot!

To be plain, balancing credibility, credibility of the event, and my closeness to the case (as of course I have very close ties/interests to a lot of CRs), I would have to say my top 5 favorites in no order are:

1. 1997 Peru - Jonathan Weygandt (I am satisfied this was a real CR event after additional statements discussing this event from parties outside Weygandt)

2. 1948 Aztec, New Mexico - Fascinating case, but what interests me the most is the connections to early UFO Legacy Program personnel and WW2 Anti-Submarine S&T projects

3. 1965 Kecksburg, Pennsylvania - Need I say more? I will always love this case due to the incredible amount of eyewitness testimony and confirmation by Dr. Eric Walker

4. 1991 Aberdeen, Scotland Coast - Really underexplored maritime retrieval case that I do indeed believe occurred. I think this case brings forward a really poignant discussion about our vs. their triangles....

5. 1953 Kingman, Arizona - CRUCIAL case as we can trace the custody of this case all the way up to the early 2010s! One day, I promise to do a new version of Kingman....
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10:01p, 8/3/26
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Lue going off on Gerb…



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In reply to TCTTS • 10:05p, 8/3/26
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It's getting out of hand, to the point where it almost feels engineered to divide…

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10:13p, 8/3/26
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So, confirmation Burlison / Grusch are in close touch with Ramsay / Michaels / Gerb, NewsNation also, in no small part due to annoyance with Elizando / Pentagon, which is not a surprise at all.

Circumstances don't favor the Clapper crew. The questions about legacy remain, and it's more not detailed response, defensive mush from Lue.
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10:18p, 8/3/26
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Look at present circumstances - he's back in DC, obviously not severed from a deep state nexus, and the painting of the book (NOT saying the content is BS, only a CYA / controlled narrative), once again, was

Let me leave my prestigious Pentagon corner office, with young kids, for the uncertainty of maybe working for a start-up, and oh yeah honey you need to work now, but I'm a man of integrity, so…..

Yeah, bullsh*t
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In reply to Redstone • 10:28p, 8/3/26
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I don't understand this conflict. Do you mind explaining it for my small brain? Much appreciated!
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In reply to boulderaggie • 10:43p, 8/3/26
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Legacy programs = reverse engineering of craft, various deals, including allowing abduction, occasional murderous intent, buried scientific advancements especially in physics, DUMBs ect and major black box budgets

Began with Truman / Eisenhower, Atomic Energy Commission, increasingly hidden with rise of FOIA researchers in quasi-public research centers and contractors, especially in early 90s

Cheney the last man to corral, Clapper took over but weaker, aligned with Hillary to be disclosure president, CYA controlled narratives, Lue a top man

Trump wins, wild card, legacy people still involved in evil things (such as kids doing forced psi and worse)

Grusch wants wider disclosure, knows where bodies are buried and is credible

Are Lue and friends doing cover our asses, even as they legit want some measure of disclosure
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In reply to boulderaggie • 11:47p, 8/3/26
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boulderaggie said:
I don't understand this conflict. Do you mind explaining it for my small brain? Much appreciated!


In December 2017, when Elizondo came forward/entered the public eye, he presented himself through the lens of a duty-bound patriot and official whistleblower. He claimed that he resigned as the head of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) due to excessive DoD bureaucracy and internal opposition that was suppressing critical national security data about UAPs. In doing so, Lue painted himself as someone who risked his career, going so far as to file a DoD Inspector General complaint over alleged internal campaigns to discredit him and erase his official history. Basically, according to Elizondo, he was just a little ol' fed up patriot who nobly decided to leave government in order to blow the whistle and tell the world about the reality of UAPs.

It's important to note that Lue presented his past work at AATIP as an official, baseline DoD effort to study military UAP sightings, and nothing more. Essentially, he claims he was part of an investigative body with limited access and limited funding, who ultimately managed to glean *some* classified information, re: the DoD, their monitoring of UAPs, and certain conclusions they had reached after years of said monitoring.

However, with UAPGerb as the face of the following claims, a contingent of Gerb, Ross Coulthart (thus NewsNation as well), Representative Eric Burlison, and others, who are working behind-the-scenes in coordination with whistleblower David Grusch, claim that Elizondo has not been fully transparent, to quite an alarming degree. Basically, before being a part of AATIP, it is a known fact that Lue was a counterintelligence officer, and Gerb/Coulthart/etc claim that not only did Elizondo never stop being a counterintelligence officer, this whole apparent charade, since 2017, has been a counterintelligence operation. So much so that they claim they have it on good authority that AATIP, under the operation of James Clapper, was merely a "front," or a top-layer investigative program, and that Elizondo's real background in counterintelligence gave him direct links to the deeper, unacknowledged Legacy Program itself.

In other words, they claim Elizondo was a part of the the UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program all along, and that his "coming forward" / whistleblower efforts were/are part of a counterintelligence program to, yes, acknowledge the existence of UAPs/NHIs, but in a controlled manner, wherein they continue to cover up the highly illegal Legacy Program itself.

Or, put another way, UAP garb & co purport that the Legacy Program knew that total secrecy was no longer sustainable due to technological proliferation, civilian sensors, and independent whistleblowers. So, to keep the secret from unraveling out of control, the Legacy Program needed a handler / trusted insider to come forward and publicly lead a sanitized disclosure process. By dictating what gets released, when it gets released, and how it's framed (by, for instance, focusing on national security threats rather than corporate cover-ups), the Legacy Program though it could protect itself from legal liability and public outrage.

In short, UAPGerb and his contingent do not view Elizondo as an innocent outsider who stumbled onto a secret. They suspect he was part of the system that kept the secret, and that his current public role is the Legacy Program's way of controlling its own narrative/landing.

David Grusch started sniffing this out circa 2018 or so, spent four years investigating the entire thing, finally said **** this, and in 2023 via Coulthart, NewsNation, and via Congressional hearing, blew the lid off the Legacy Program as the key to it all. Now, he's working with Gerb, Coulthart, Burlison and co to call Elizondo out, and reveal the whole truth, warts and all, not just the sanitized truth, wherein the bad actors get to stay in the shadows.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:48p, 8/3/26
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:55p, 8/3/26
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It's always been weird that Elizondo and Grusch - the two most infamous modern day whistleblowers - never joined forces, never made appearances together, hardly ever discussed each other, etc.

If what UAPGerb and co are claiming is true, though... now we finally know why.

And boy, would it be one hell of a story that could one day make for an incredible documentary, limited series, or movie.
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12:07a, 8/4/26
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Also important to note that fenced disclosure would possibly be focused on the 5 observables

Anti-gravity

Instantaneous acceleration

Hypersonic velocity without signatures

Low observability

Trans-medium travel

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And yeah, of course, but that excludes reverse engineering, psi operations, deals and kidnappings and murders, biological materials, buried physics
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9:46a, 8/4/26
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Just started. Been out about a week.
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We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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6:44p, 8/4/26
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In reply to TCTTS • 8:07p, 8/4/26
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Haven't yet watched it myself...


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In reply to TCTTS • 8:08p, 8/4/26
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Part 2 is now up. Will watch tonight...

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8:47p, 8/4/26
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Great links, this thread delivers.

When observing Gerb / Michaels / Ramsay / Grusch vs. Lue, notice who brings details of dates, names, places, programs, black box offenders and then who brings defensiveness and veiled threats.

AND his book is mostly good, with plenty of interesting detail. This topic is both / and, not either / or.

I think here about Mario Woods, on the Travis Walton credibility level for me. He says that in one of his debrief sessions, the day after his alien encounter, there was Richard Doty. Which means Doty is legit. AND Doty is indisputably a dirty player disinfo agent. Both / and
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9:56p, 8/4/26
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Protect this kid at all costs. YT comment:

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Gerb is looking smarter & smarter -- if that's possible. Lue's reaction speaks volumes about the validity of Gerb's opinion. Gerb doesn't respond to the threats and ultimatums. Brilliantly, he sits back & watches Lue hang himself. Gerb's long standing body of research stands for itself. He has no paid content, paywalls, merch, books, websites, etc. His mission is exposing legacy programs - at which he excels. His statements are no different than things publicly said by Ross himself, Grusch and highly visible others in the public domain. Burlison is a huge supporter, having hosted Gerb twice on his Fresh Freedom podcast. The latest one -- Gerb takes down Hal Puthoff & Avi Loeb. Lue will end up in the trash pile along with Puthoff, Loeb, Mellon and several others. Gerb publicly & repeatedly asked both Lue & Mellon for a discussion in a public forum. Crickets. Gerb's statements about Lue are aging like a very fine wine.
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10:00p, 8/4/26
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Now, what does it mean for Puthoff to be "exposed?" Or Loeb, an accomplished scientist? As with Elizando, one can be legitimate and accomplished AND loyal to a deep state group or goal.

From the inside of the bureaucratic class (and they're not permanent members like Clapper) who is more honest and trustworthy than Grusch and Burlison?
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2:37p, 8/5/26
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God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 6:10p, 8/5/26
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mindblowing stuff. Thanks
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 11:17p, 8/5/26
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Two hours in and this is so damn good. I didn't realize how deep into all of this Borland was/is.
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:29a, 8/6/26
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I'm about an hour in and it is eye opening. It amazes me that the hearings were scoffed at because so many did not hear what was actually said.
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 9:28a, 8/6/26
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AgBQ-00 said:
I'm about an hour in and it is eye opening. It amazes me that the hearings were scoffed at because so many did not hear what was actually said.
Agree with this completely. The testimony at the hearings has always been remarkable. People want bodies and hi res pics, of course, but the truth nowadays is that no skeptic finds photographic or video evidence convincing anyway.
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9:53a, 8/6/26
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That whole medical program discussion screams MK Ultra type human experiment mind manipulation.

It caused me to think if they used the results of those experiments back in the day to bring forth the ssri path to create unknowing operatives.

This goes a bit afield, but it is amazing the amount of mass casualty events are perpetrated by people on ssri drugs. some have taken to calling them meat bots and the like.
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10:15a, 8/6/26
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Read Tom O'Neill, Chaos, listen to Psyop Cinema (will take at least 6 months, very dense and high-quality, although they consider alien stuff psy-op).

Deep state / military industrial complex screwball comedies + tragedies …. serial killers to Hollywood cooperation to alien reality / alien fakery.

Borland is VERY credible here, harsh and detailed enough where truth-telling is paramount:

if he's lying, big consequences. Lot of between sentences things going on as well, we need to listen to this at least twice.

My point is consilience:

the meta-, or beyond, of our understanding of the physical - this not only exists but is in overlay with our materialist life.
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10:52a, 8/6/26
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y'all remember when the, I believe, 4chan leak about retrieval and underwater bases and all that came out? looking back on it are you more inclined to see it as real or to see it as fanfic/false flag type stuff?
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 11:19a, 8/6/26
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y'all remember when the, I believe, 4chan leak about retrieval and underwater bases and all that came out? looking back on it are you more inclined to see it as real or to see it as fanfic/false flag type stuff?

Psy-ops. It's all psy-ops. I believe Borland believes he saw what he saw.

Interesting that he definitively states there are clear cell phone videos. I just don't believe it. Those could so easily be leaked w/out any repercussions to the source.

Still a fun/entertaining listen.
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11:27a, 8/6/26
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"so easily be leaked w/out any repercussions to the source."

That so? At a minimum, he's been very seriously screwed with. Which is close to indisputable, because he detailed with dates, names, events & no public pushback
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In reply to NoahAg • 11:31a, 8/6/26
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NoahAg said:
AgBQ-00 said:
y'all remember when the, I believe, 4chan leak about retrieval and underwater bases and all that came out? looking back on it are you more inclined to see it as real or to see it as fanfic/false flag type stuff?

Psy-ops. It's all psy-ops. I believe Borland believes he saw what he saw.

Interesting that he definitively states there are clear cell phone videos. I just don't believe it. Those could so easily be leaked w/out any repercussions to the source.

Still a fun/entertaining listen.
FWIW, Chris Ramsay listed the underwater UAP "factory" as the "most outrageous claim" that he was most convinced to be true. Link to Andy's interview https://audioboom.com/posts/8935057

(Sorry for all the edits. I tried to nail down the exact time to skip ahead to, but the web player isn't that exact. Start listening around the 54 minute mark.)
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