*** UAP THREAD ***

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Redstone said:

"so easily be leaked w/out any repercussions to the source."

That so? At a minimum, he's been very seriously screwed with. Which is close to indisputable, because he detailed with dates, names, events & no public pushback

I'm saying that if people (whoever Borland suggests) actually have clear cell phone video then it would have leaked. Again, I'm sure he saw things/video that to him looked legit. But to date all "we" have are grainy videos/pics.
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Is the deep state permanent bureaucracy military industrial complex -

competent and willing and persistent to fence and threaten such evidence?

Borland says yes and details how.

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I'm interested in the psy op angle. Could you expand on your thoughts there?
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That's interesting. Agree with Ramsay about very high confidence for Woods, but Walton should be in same category.

Borland now joins White as the most high-profile modern American Catholic experiencer, although with some big differences.
(I'm inclined to believe him, but he's excitable and the stories are fantastical)
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Sheehan has some big info here

At the top, an overview of his involvement, which is extensive
Inman being a bad guy, part of bad guy group with more names he states
Grusch's role reviewing clearance for Elizondo and Mellon
Kirkpatrick stopping his notes when direct sources were named
UAP activity at Baja and Guadalupe Island

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He also has some good points about Congress not doing its job, with relevant statues detailed off the top of his head
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The 5th tranche of newly declassified documents and videos was released earlier today. I haven't looked at the videos yet; they seem to be FBI visualizations of UAP sightings rather than real footage. Once again, the most interesting things are the documents. Example: this CIA report about the November 19th, 1964, UFO sighting near the Atlantic Fleet Weapons Range close to Puerto Rico by an F-8 Crusader pilot. https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/04/?type=.pdf&releaseDate=Release+05&release=05#CIA-UAP-D022-Unidentified-Flying-Object-Reported-near-Puerto-Rico-1965

If you're not familiar with the F-8, it was a US Navy fighter capable of supersonic flight. Known as "The Last of the Gunfighters", the F-8 was armed with 4 cannons. On November 19th, 1964, an F-8 pilot sighted a delta winged UFO the size of a fighter at 50,000 feet going much faster than his F-8. The USS Gyatt also tracked the same object at 3,800 knots. The document suggests that the UFO could have been a reconnaissance version of the MiG-21 or a YF-12 (think SR-71) aircraft. Because the OXCART program was highly classified at the time, the CIA had an incentive to keep such sightings from being attributed to the YF-12.

I am not an expert on MiG-21 versions, but I believe the recon model was not operational before 1966. Moreover, I'm fairly certain that there was no version of the MiG-21 that was capable of Mach 3.

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Looked at the 16 videos that were released. More of the same lo res, hi noise thermal or night vision videos we've seen so far. Could be balloons that look supersonic because of parallax. There's just no way to tell anything useful. Download the .zip files at the link below.

https://www.war.gov/UFO/?releaseDate=Release+05&release=05#release
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they are just playing us. No major disclosure is coming.

You can't make them and they have too much to lose. Only chance is if Trump goes rogue, so sit back and wait a couple more years.
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Couthart's audience is very pro-Gerb.

Catastrophic Disclosure may be the way.

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We are at the narrative stage now -

the Internet, so many first-hand testimonies with consilience, and genius-level open source researchers like Gerb means that this train is rolling, continuously.

In a topic so big, therefore, you can have a revealing and solid book like Lue's, which Borland said, AND have him as a bad acting narrative controller (protection of legacy evil).

Just like Richard Dody, upcoming Ramsay guest evidently, was an insider and a major liar for many years.
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Had a friend visit today while working the yard. Didn't give up the goods though.



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Couthart saying his sources confirm Trump's advisors are big time in-fighting with legacy programs
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If - if, if, if, if, if - this is legit, and the buzz / my gut is telling it me it might very well be, the biggest story in all of human history somehow just got even bigger, in the wildest way possible.

After making a big show of things, we know that Skywatcher essentially - and mysteriously - disappeared off the face of the Earth, everyone involved went silent, etc. Which was... odd, but always felt intentional. As if some new development happened behind the scenes.

This would at least explain why.

If the President, and the vast majority of our government, really has been left out of the loop for decades now, re: the legacy program (which is almost assuredly run by the deep state + defense contractors), and have finally been convinced of its existence via whistleblowers like Grusch, but have been denied, threatened, and thwarted every which way to Sunday by the gatekeepers of the legacy program... and THIS is the tactic the White House used to circumvent them?

It's ****ing genius.

Like something out of a sci-fi movie, but with a twist we've never quite seen before... the "good"/scorned government vs the "bad"/shadow government. I mentioned the other day how the whole Grusch/Elizondo situation would make for a great movies/series?

Now? Combined with this?

Holy *****

That said, I'm seeing a lot of talking heads in the field pissed that, if true, Skywatcher teamed with the big bad government and is going against their initial mission of transparency. But Coulthart says it right there... this is to "circumvent" the legacy program. To try and usurp the "bad guys." Which, in and of itself, would be a noble cause... ASSUMING Trump and co eventually come clean, at some point in the next few months, and announce what they've retrieved, and obviously that we're not alone.

Will that happen? I have no idea. But I am starting to believe that it might.
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Oh, and this could also explain the El Paso air space being shut down a few months ago, re: Juarez.
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The full video...

Redstone
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Sheehan said Barber was threatened, and told them:
"I'm one of the guys that was sent to threaten."

Agree with your assessment.
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Wow. Trump and his team are doing their own stuff and circumventing the Legacy program. That is the way to go.
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Agreed, but ONLY if they come clean within the next few months, officially announce to the world that we're not alone, and show us the recovered hardware. If not? It's just another cover-up…


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@jordanflowers is 100% correct in this account. While @DoW_AARO and @DeptofWar and @ODNIgov continue to support the lie that there is no incontrovertible proof of #NHI highly advanced tech, they already have it. Key Senators and Congressional Reps also know. Big Q is, how long will @POTUS allow this deceit to be the official narrative?
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If these allegations are true, good on President Trump (@POTUS) for taking the initiative and reportedly running an effort directly out of the White House to get answers.

The most significant part of Coulthart's reporting is the alleged effort to "circumvent the legacy program." If elements of the government or private contractors have withheld information, materials, or the full scope of what they know from the executive branch, then going around that system and establishing a new chain of command makes sense.

Some will understandably view attempting to bring down and recover a UAP as a negative or dangerous development. But if the allegations surrounding legacy crash-retrieval programs are true, retrieval efforts have supposedly been taking place for decades already. The difference now would be that the President is allegedly directing an effort under his own authority rather than depending on a deeply compartmented system to tell him what it knows.

If they won't provide the full picture, obtain the evidence independently and find out what these objects actually are.
H/T: @StephenM @marcorubio
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Also, for the record, these craft are believed to be pilotless drones of some sort that are possibly operated by some kind of potentially/quasi conscious advanced AI, whose protocol is to respond to whatever signatures we're emitting. In other words, if any of this is true, it doesn't sound like we're willy nilly killing aliens in the process, or starting an intergalactic war or whatever. We're basically just downing/capturing their drones. That said, I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, and who knows what the truth actually is, I just don't want anyone thinking we're applauding the blatant killing of aliens.
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In my mind I still envision a Battle Star Galactica framework of biological drone like the cylon raiders.
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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just dropped 30 minutes ago. 3+ hour interview with Travis Taylor. These are normally very wide ranging so should be interesting.


God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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G Martin 87
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"What's a conspiracy theory you believe in?"

G Martin 87
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Saw this and immediately thought of this thread. You've got to admit, that's pretty damn funny.

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Direct communication has been rumored for ages now, but to hear it directly from Grusch is wild...

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This whole Dr. Phil thing all of the sudden does indeed reek of coordination from the White House (in a good way), considering Trump personally sent the latest government tranche of UAP videos/files directly to Dr. Phil, and gave him an early exclusive to boot. They're absolutely using Dr. Phil to ease the public into this subject, if not disclosure itself. Which is hilarious, seeing as Dr. Phil is exactly the kind of person a bunch of 60-and-70-year-old men would think is still popular with the public.

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