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What you're asking for is a level of purity that we've never adhered to on this board. Like PatAg said, revealing that Harvey Dent might be in the movie and who might be playing him ISN'T a spoiler. If that's something you don't want to know before the marketing begins, again, that's not a level of accommodation we've ever met here. We've never tip-toed around who might be playing who so that people can go into the marketing unspoiled. That's insane.

And that photo/mold is so low quality that it's not "revealing" his "look" in any real way.

Otherwise, it just says "Zsasz" on a box and "Owl" on a box, while we have no clue what the other blurry molds even are or if they're even from this movie (there are molds from multiple projects on that wall). No other "looks" are even being revealed.

Never mind that, again, ALL OF THIS has been named/discussed countless times in this thread already. Every last bit of it.
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I mean, this is all over the internet. It's everywhere. Especially when sites like Total Film are freely posting tweets like the below, and not a single outlet is treating any of this as "spoilers," it's really not the thing some of you are making it out to be…

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There also of course this possibility, considering how unconfirmed all of this is…

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I think they want to throw us off. Whether Reeves is behind it or not, I think this is like what happened with Zoe Kravitz and Barry Keoghan in the first one, where we saw them in the church (the second one being a random cop).
Brian Earl Spilner
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Leaks are spoilers and always have been. Just because they're on X doesn't mean they're not spoilers.

You realize most people don't usually follow rumors/leaks/set photos, right?
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We have a disagreement there.

Just because a fact from a movie "leaks" doesn't make it a spoiler. Facts and spoilers are two different things. Especially when said fact is almost assuredly going to be revealed in the marketing of the movie. Do you really think they're going to show Bryan Tyree Henry in a suit and tie, as a district attorney, in shot after shot, and clip and after clip, and wait until the movie is released to acknowledge that he's playing Harvey Dent? No, of course not. Same as with Sebastian Stan as Szasz, IF he's even playing Szasz. And IF Henry is even playing Dent. Neither of which are confirmed.

Besides, where were you when these exact same "leaks" were discussed on page after page previously in this thread? Again, this stuff was "spoiled" in this thread months ago. So why are you only now complaining? That's what gets me the most. We've had discussion after discussion about Henry potentially playing Dent and Stan potentially playing Szasz, yet only now are people crying "spoiler," which makes absolutely no sense.
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I don't understand why you can't tell the difference between speculation and leaked images? You could even post "there are some images going around on x they may confirm some theories we have had here...." and people that are interested can go see them for themselves. But you posted the images, and are doubling down when people are just kindly asking you not to do that.

To help you understand, when we knew Aaron Eckhart was playing Harvey Dent, they used it for the marketing ect., but still kept his final look under wraps. It was chilling to see that for the first time in the theater. You have now taken away any anticipation/speculation in this movie for a similar moment because....you think its cool to post leaked photos in a thread just because we have speculated about an actor playing a character?
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Just because a fact from a movie "leaks" doesn't make it a spoiler.

Absolutely ridiculous statement.

If a screengrab from the climactic scene of Doomsday leaked on X, how in the world is that not a spoiler?
TCTTS
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I don't think it's "cool" to post leaked photos.

I simply thought it was funny that Heidi Klum's makeup team, of all people, MIGHT have confirmed the rampant rumors. That's it.

Again, none of this is remotely set in stone. It's just molds on a shelf that may or may not tell us that Henry is Dent and Stan is Zsasz. Further, we have no idea if that blurry Henry mold is an early test, a reject, an exploration, a purposeful misdirection, or something else entirely. Either way, it's not a final "look." It's a blurry, monochromatic mold on a shelf in the background of an unrelated photo. It's not like I'm spoiling an unreleased official image of Harvey Dent's final form here for all to see, and throwing up a middle finger in the process.

Also, the reason I'm not relenting is because I think it's ridiculous to be THiS sensitive to basic character roles / mere speculation on an internet message board - speculation that has existed in this thread for months now.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Just because a fact from a movie "leaks" doesn't make it a spoiler.

Absolutely ridiculous statement.

If a screengrab from the climactic scene of Doomsday leaked on X, how in the world is that not a spoiler?


How in the world is the potential of Bryan Tyree Henry playing Harvey Dent remotely close to posting a screen grab from the climactic scene of Doomsday?
Brian Earl Spilner
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I'm obviously using an extreme example to illustrate that a leak is absolutely a spoiler. I don't know where you're getting the idea that once something is leaked, it's no longer a spoiler.

That's basically the definition of a spoiler.

You're bending over backwards trying to justify yourself and making it way more of a thing than it needs to be.
TCTTS
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And I'm directly contradicting you by saying that I don't believe that "is basically the definition of a spoiler." A leak of a role that will inevitably be revealed in the marketing, in interviews, etc is the leak of a fact, not the leak of a spoiler. Again, those are two different things. The spoiler aspect would come into play if specific Dent scenes were described, if it were to be revealed how Dent is used in the movie, what role he plays in the plot, etc. Dent simply existing as a character potentially played by Henry is NOT a spoiler.
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For instance, I'm about to post the below in the Marvel thread. Are you all going to get mad at me there as well? Because it's the same thing, seeing as Henry as Dent has been reported in similar fashion, with a highly credible reporter saying months ago that Henry is Dent, without studio confirmation, which we then discussed in this very thread. Just like this role will be discussed in the Marvel thread, without studio confirmation…

Brian Earl Spilner
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Dude, give it up. A casting rumor is not the same as an image and you know that.

Any image that comes from a set that wasn't intended to be seen constitutes a spoiler. Sure there are degrees of spoiler within that, but just because a casting has been rumored doesn't mean that a leaked image of that character (concept art, models, costume fitting, etc) is suddenly fair game and everyone should just take it because you said it was okay.

And if something is borderline, it's pretty simple to either post something in spoiler tags or not embed the actual image.

I've said my piece.

TCTTS
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I simply disagree in this instance.
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Again, its not the speculation, its the image that is a spoiler. Its not being sensitive to ask you not to post unofficial images that spoil the look of a character. You know that. You would argue this same point if you felt spoiled. But since you don't feel spoiled or don't care and it was your mistake, you are digging in and making it seem like you are the most reasonable person on the thread.
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I mean all you have to do is post the twitter link in spoiler tags instead of inserting it as a twitter link with the code and nobody has this problem. The spoiler tags should be used if there's any grey area. I've posted a lot of stuff foolishly over the years thinking that "everyone" was looking at all the same stuff I was constantly on movie news sites, and eventually I realized I was being a real a-hole with it and stopped.
TCTTS
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I've removed all the tweets.

Mostly, Spilner and I have had this same disagreement for years, and it always rubs me the wrong way when he expects everyone to bend to his ultra-sensitive definition of a spoiler, while in the same breath complaining that I'm doing the same in the opposite direction. He wants to have his cake and eat it too by being able to discuss movies months in advance on an internet message board, except seemingly without anyone discussing anything of substance when it comes to anything more than the official log line for any given movie. Discuss who might be playing who? Spoiler. Post some innocuous set photos? Spoiler. Relay what an actor publicly said in an official interview? Spoiler. I just get tired of it, I don't like bowing to his unreasonable purity quests, and admit that he makes me dig my heels in from time to time, today especially.

In this particular instance, though, I genuinely disagree with the three or four of you who are being vocal. It's a massive nothing burger, IMO, but I've deleted the tweets just the same.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Bro, you're pretty clearly the odd one out here, not me.

They literally created spoiler tags for this exact purpose. Refusing to use them because you feel something isn't a spoiler just makes you an *******.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Also, please point out where I've ever called an interview quote or a casting rumor a spoiler.

My issue has only ever been with leaked set photos.
TCTTS
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Having a different definition of "spoiler" than you doesn't make me an *******. Also, spoiler alert, I've been banned for calling people less.
TCTTS
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Also, please point out where I've ever called an interview quote or a casting rumor a spoiler.

My issue has only ever been with leaked set photos.


Bull*****
Brian Earl Spilner
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TCTTS said:

Having a different definition of "spoiler" than you doesn't make me an *******. Also, spoiler alert, I've been banned for calling people less.

I said refusing to use spoiler tags, which takes zero effort to use, and were basically created for this board, makes you as *******.

And now you're lying about me saying anything relating to movie news is a spoiler.

We're done here.
Murder Hornet
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Saw 33 new messages and thought there was news

Just a slap fight
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Murder Hornet said:

Saw 33 new messages and thought there was news

Just a slap fight

Yes, but this is a TexAgs classic happening.
CharleyKerfeld
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Murder Hornet said:

Saw 33 new messages and thought there was news

Just a slap fight

Uh there was news, multiple roles confirmed by spoiler!
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If Redstone wasn't such an ally of TC, I would say TC needs to be permabanned for this.

As such, I go with Redstone.
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TCTTS said:

I've removed all the tweets.

Mostly, Spilner and I have had this same disagreement for years, and it always rubs me the wrong way when he expects everyone to bend to his ultra-sensitive definition of a spoiler, while in the same breath complaining that I'm doing the same in the opposite direction. He wants to have his cake and eat it too by being able to discuss movies months in advance on an internet message board, except seemingly without anyone discussing anything of substance when it comes to anything more than the official log line for any given movie. Discuss who might be playing who? Spoiler. Post some innocuous set photos? Spoiler. Relay what an actor publicly said in an official interview? Spoiler. I just get tired of it, I don't like bowing to his unreasonable purity quests, and admit that he makes me dig my heels in from time to time, today especially.

In this particular instance, though, I genuinely disagree with the three or four of you who are being vocal. It's a massive nothing burger, IMO, but I've deleted the tweets just the same.

I'm with you on this one, just don't see what the big deal is. Are people upset about the character or the actor (who ive never heard of)? Haven't we known for a while that Harvey Dent/Two Face is in this movie? It's not a spoiler that Harvey Dent becomes Two Face, just like it wouldn't be a spoiler if someone told you that Peter Parker becomes Spider Man.
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Its not the confirmation of the role that was the spoiler. It was an image of the make-up, plus there were other possibly story spoiler things in the image. Its as if we saw what Aaron Eckhart looked like as two-face 2 years before The Dark Knight came out. Thats the thing that people don't want to see.
TCTTS
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"Its as if we saw what may or may not be a blurry, monochromatic mold of what Aaron Eckhart's face MIGHT look like as two-face a little over a year before The Dark Knight came out."

FIFY.

If you're going to hold me to "being honest" I'm going to hold you to the same standard.
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Lets throw some spice in... I dont think we should post leaked pics from the set for the same reason.
Or they should be hidden in a spoiler so people can opt in to see it
Whos Juan
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Hey guys, did you know Batman's a scientist?
CharleyKerfeld
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Whos Juan said:

Hey guys, did you know Batman's a scientist?

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PatAg said:

Lets throw some spice in... I dont think we should post leaked pics from the set for the same reason.
Or they should be hidden in a spoiler so people can opt in to see it


I'll one-up you. I don't think we should talk about this movie at all, lest any of the discussion points give us an inkling of what might happen in the movie. In fact, I'm extremely disappointed that its been spoiled for me who's taking over director duties from Reeves. Now that I know its Soderburgh I have a clue what the tone and pacing of the movie will be...surprise ruined!!!!
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As far as I'm concerned this and spiderverse #3 aren't real movies until I'm watching it in theaters it's been so long.
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